Manafort, smoking gun

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cytg111

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So the trump campaign colluded with Russia then, correct?

I think you are forgetting the Mueller report totally cleared the prez of collusion, make of that what you will *shrugs*

 
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blackangst1

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Pohemi

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I think a lot of this was suspected/expected, despite claims of innocence etc...there just wasn't an unredacted paper trail facing the public until now.

But honestly...how much of the public will be swayed from current positions or beliefs by this news? How much will this actually affect the public court of opinion?

The people who will believe it, already had a good idea...and the ones who have continued to flat-out deny any wrongdoing by the 2016 campaign, will continue to do so.

I just don't see it affecting much, unless it's utilized by the DoJ in ongoing criminal investigations.
 

ivwshane

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I think a lot of this was suspected/expected, despite claims of innocence etc...there just wasn't an unredacted paper trail facing the public until now.

But honestly...how much of the public will be swayed from current positions or beliefs by this news? How much will this actually affect the public court of opinion?

The people who will believe it, already had a good idea...and the ones who have continued to flat-out deny any wrongdoing by the 2016 campaign, will continue to do so.

I just don't see it affecting much, unless it's utilized by the DoJ in ongoing criminal investigations.


That’s the hope.
 
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cytg111

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It appears so.

edit: Let me comment further. I think the truth lies somewhere in between Trumps view (I didnt!) and the far lefts view (He's a russian agent!). Either way I think Russia worked further than on Trumps behalf, but it didnt change the outcome of the election. Besides, Trump effectively admitted it: Trump Finally Admits His Campaign Colluded With Russia At Trump Tower Meeting | HuffPost
Why are you hung up on that fantasy being true and why do you hang on for dear life that this was the only thing they colluded on? Dont you see a trump russia pattern over the last term? pre-term?
 

pcgeek11

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My first thought when I saw this list is that somehow you have hacked this forum and have assessed my "Ignore" list. Then it dawned on me, that my 'ignore' list is probably not unique.


LOL. Ignore list....

Testing to see if it really works.
 

fskimospy

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Im assuming youre talking about Trump? Ive never voted, nor will I ever vote for, Putin's #1 pick. Ive said this many times.
It would be nice if we can put to bed the always absurd idea that Trump’s campaign didn’t collude with the Russians though. Of course they did - we have known this for years.
 
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MtnMan

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It would be nice if we can put to bed the always absurd idea that Trump’s campaign didn’t collude with the Russians though. Of course they did - we have known this for years.
You are expecting some rational thought from those that still think that COVID is a democratic hoax and their orange demigod won the election, biggly... and why they are on my ignore list. May I suggest you treat them with the same attention they deserve by putting them on ignore.