That's fine. At least this thread stimulated some sort of reasonable convo before the flaming started. Not like anyone will remember me as dumbass of the week in a few hours.
NASA needs a real budget and fire the admins. With that said...
Why was the foam not an issue (at least not a major one that would halt the flights) during the last 20 years and being an issue now after columbia disintegrated? We got lucky on all those other launches?
Why was the foam not an issue (at least not a major one that would halt the flights) during the last 20 years and being an issue now after columbia disintegrated? We got lucky on all those other launches?
CaptnKirk
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The formula for the aereation of the foam changed as a result of EPA for the Floro-carbon compounds used. (Freon type)
The previous constituents were discontinued, the 'new' stuff doesn't work as well, and the labor method hasn't solved the application problem.
It seems to me that if the engineers had it their way the previous 2 accidents could've been prevented...
I don't know the correct figure, but if we spend the fiscal equivalent 1/2 of one month's funding of the Iraqi war on the entire space program, I would hesitate using the words "incompetent" and "ridiculous" as a generalization concerning the space program.
Those generalization may be better suited, not for the current Iraqi conflict (as I fully support our troops, families, mission statement, etc), but the management of such. 800+ days, at least $800 Billion, an arguably more unstable region than prior to March 2003, many lives lost on both sides, no global support, and on, and on, ..... I'll stop since the rest belongs in P&N.
Those generalization may be better suited, not for the current Iraqi conflict (as I fully support our troops, families, mission statement, etc), but the management of such. 800+ days, at least $800 Billion, an arguably more unstable region than prior to March 2003, many lives lost on both sides, no global support, and on, and on, ..... I'll stop since the rest belongs in P&N.
HomeBrewerDude
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Originally posted by: junkerman123
That's fine. At least this thread stimulated some sort of reasonable convo before the flaming started. Not like anyone will remember me as dumbass of the week in a few hours.
Perhaps, but I always figured that if you want reasonable convo, then you ought to initiate with a reasonable statement.
cheers and beers
To quote Armagaeddon
'Doesn't it kinda concern you that we're being pushed by machine with over 100,000 moving parts built by the lowest bidder?'
dude, we are not in space looking for lifeforms right now and i believe they have a ocean exploration group similar to nasa... just not welly funded as them
Powered by a 486 b!tches!
I seriously can't get over how old the processors are in the shuttles.
The public is just becoming more risk-averse (pansy-like). Space exploration is inherently dangerous, and people used to be able to accept that. The failure rate of the Shuttle is right where they thought it was going to be when they designed it. Back then, the public could accept that. Now, they can't.
StrangerGuy
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Shuttles use old CPUs because their electrical traces are much wider compared to modern day CPUs and thus less suspectible to outer space EM interference.
And it's not like they play BF2 while in missions.
Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
Originally posted by: junkerman123
That's fine. At least this thread stimulated some sort of reasonable convo before the flaming started. Not like anyone will remember me as dumbass of the week in a few hours.
Perhaps, but I always figured that if you want reasonable convo, then you ought to initiate with a reasonable statement.
cheers and beers
Haha, true. I figured the /rant would give it away that the post wasn't particularly well thought out.
Originally posted by: BDawg
I think the scary thing is that your cell phone has more processing power than at least the original space shuttle computers.
But when the Space shuttle was originally launched the average computer was stored in a 20 X 20 room
Ausm
So
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Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: BDawg
I think the scary thing is that your cell phone has more processing power than at least the original space shuttle computers.
But when the Space shuttle was originally launched the average computer was stored in a 20 X 20 room
Ausm
In the early 80's? I don't think so.
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100 billion dollars? lol no their budget is <20B.
And the space shuttle is some OLD sh!t...designed in the 70s/80s. It's some incredible amts of engineering achievement for its time (>20 yrs ago)...making something go up isn't relatively hard...letting it come down is a bit harder...making it repeat this action is ass-hard.
Besides it's not like NASA is a bunch of wonder-geniuses. Lots of smart ppl there but when the equipment gets old, continual repairs & fixes doesn't prevent other problems from showing up.
I know cars < space shuttle, but just look at all the "my car died" threads here. If ppl have difficulty keeping their old vehicles running, you ought to have some feel for how hard it is to keep an old shuttle running.
486 are fine for thier application, the computers are not doing graphic intensive work. They are used to monitor systems and guidance they are basically just crunching numbers using some very well coded software. Plus they are used because the do not need a nuclear power plant to run them.
I don't think Space Exploration will really come of age until it becomes a global concern, and not just something the G8 fiddles around with. Combine the resources of NASA, the ESA, Russia, Japan, whoever, stick'em all in a room, and don't let'em out until they've come up with something that works the first time, every time...
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