Man... why is hardware so expensive nowadays?

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ChiPCGuy

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Uh, computer hardware is VERY INEXPENSIVE for bang for the buck compared to 20 years ago! I remember a friend spending $8,500 on a IBM PC/XT with CGA monitor and 5 MEGABYTE 5.25" full height HDD. 256K memory, 5.25 full height floppy, and 300 bps external modem. Oh, the keyboard too was included.

A fully configured and respectable machine can be had for $700 these days. I am talking nForce4 Ultra, X700Pro PCI-Express video, 17" LCD and 160Gig HDD, and a Athlon64 3200+ Venice with a Gig of RAM.
 

VERTIGGO

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but computers are getting a lot faster in proportion to their prices. I mean let's not take everything for granted. Imagine if we expected to get cars that drove twice as fast and complained about them being double the price. Just because new designs keep coming, we take for granted that we don't have to spend an entire fortune just to have nicer computers.
 

f1y

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the way i look at a they make the 400$ processor so you can sell your $200 dollar processor which makes your 400 seem like 200. I think they're aiming at the constant upgraders.
 

jdkick

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Actually, I find prices pretty cheap these days... I paid over $3000 for an early P133 system many years ago. Now, $3000 would go a very long way - i'd actually build two or three systems with that kind of money. Perhaps your perception is off tho - I don't consider an Opteron 165 as being the "best bang". I'd still be looking at the upper end of Athlon 64 or lower end of the X2 range.
 

vegetation

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Computers are dirt cheap today. You could not buy a new laptop for under 2k a decade ago. You could not even get a laptop for under 1k not too long ago. Now it's not hard to find an under 500 laptop that has more power under its hood and a decent panel attached to it than top of the line computers of 1999.
 
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Originally posted by: jdkick
Actually, I find prices pretty cheap these days... I paid over $3000 for an early P133 system many years ago. Now, $3000 would go a very long way - i'd actually build two or three systems with that kind of money. Perhaps your perception is off tho - I don't consider an Opteron 165 as being the "best bang". I'd still be looking at the upper end of Athlon 64 or lower end of the X2 range.

An Opteron 165 would be about equivalent to an X2 3800+ (it'd actually be a better deal since you get full 1MB cache per core instead of the 512K of the 3800, although you give up 200Mhz, which you could easily overclock to).
 

n7

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I get where the OP is coming from, & he's right.

Prices of the mid-range have gone up, & the prices of the high-end have gone way up compared to about 3-4 years ago.

Video card & CPUs are a great example of this.

On other things, prices have come down.

 

Googer

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Originally posted by: InlineFour
inflation

Inflation has not gone up that much that fast. A .59¢ hamburger at McD does not cost 1.20-1.30 and a Big Mac is still around $2. The price of most goods (except Oil) has not doubled like PC hardware has in a relitive term.

A few years ago (3) the Top of the line Video Card cost $300 now it costs 600-750 for the same level of relitive performance. (I mean 60FPS-ish in the newest games).
 

hurtstotalktoyou

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Is the best bang for the buck really a 165? I don't think so. Here's my run-down of lowend/midrange/highend....

CPU: $77 Sempron 64 2800+ / $183 Opteron 144 / $328 Opteron 165
motherboard: $65 Biostar GeForce 6100-M7 / $77 Epox EP-9NPA7I / $122 ASUS A8N-SLI
RAM: $38 512MB / $76 1GB / $152 2GB
hard disk: $47 WD800BB / $79 HD160JJ / $158 2xHD160JJ
video card: $0 integrated / $144 6800XT 128MB / $444 7800GTX 256MB

Even low-end stuff is pretty impressive these days. A mid-range system is killer.
 

venk

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whipper snapers and your new fangled cd players and portable masturbation devices
 

VERTIGGO

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Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
Is the best bang for the buck really a 165? I don't think so. Here's my run-down of lowend/midrange/highend....

CPU: $77 Sempron 64 2800+ / $183 Opteron 144 / $328 Opteron 165
motherboard: $65 Biostar GeForce 6100-M7 / $77 Epox EP-9NPA7I / $122 ASUS A8N-SLI
RAM: $38 512MB / $76 1GB / $152 2GB
hard disk: $47 WD800BB / $79 HD160JJ / $158 2xHD160JJ
video card: $0 integrated / $144 6800XT 128MB / $444 7800GTX 256MB

Even low-end stuff is pretty impressive these days. A mid-range system is killer.

geez, then what do you call an opty 175 and ocz ram? aston martin?
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: VERTIGGO
Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
Is the best bang for the buck really a 165? I don't think so. Here's my run-down of lowend/midrange/highend....

CPU: $77 Sempron 64 2800+ / $183 Opteron 144 / $328 Opteron 165
motherboard: $65 Biostar GeForce 6100-M7 / $77 Epox EP-9NPA7I / $122 ASUS A8N-SLI
RAM: $38 512MB / $76 1GB / $152 2GB
hard disk: $47 WD800BB / $79 HD160JJ / $158 2xHD160JJ
video card: $0 integrated / $144 6800XT 128MB / $444 7800GTX 256MB

Even low-end stuff is pretty impressive these days. A mid-range system is killer.

geez, then what do you call an opty 175 and ocz ram? aston martin?

Falcon Northwest = Aston Martin
 

Gamer X

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In my opinion GPUs are the only computer parts with outrageous prices,their prices really
need to be adjusted.Also the key to drive computer prices down is for people to realize
what "bang for the buck" means and to upgrade only when their computers can not run
games or apps reasonably anymore.
 

EvanAdams

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I also feel that prices got out of controll. That is why I now game only on my Xbox. $300 = four years of constant frame rate.

 

Continuity28

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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: InlineFour
inflation

Inflation has not gone up that much that fast. A .59¢ hamburger at McD does not cost 1.20-1.30 and a Big Mac is still around $2. The price of most goods (except Oil) has not doubled like PC hardware has in a relitive term.

A few years ago (3) the Top of the line Video Card cost $300 now it costs 600-750 for the same level of relitive performance. (I mean 60FPS-ish in the newest games).

You do realize that the video card is the one piece of your computer that changed the most in recent years? If anything were to increase in price, video cards would have to be first. Why just a few years ago most/all video programming was handled by the CPU, now it's mostly on the GPU.

As it has been said, having a full PC costs only a fraction of what it did years ago, and you get so much more for your money. The price of everything else has dropped, only video cards rose - and even that is just for the very high end. Despite common belief, CPUs prices have dropped, as we can't forget Intel's monopoly for $2000 processors some years ago. :p
 

VERTIGGO

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Originally posted by: EvanAdams
I also feel that prices got out of controll. That is why I now game only on my Xbox. $300 = four years of constant frame rate.

and 4 years of comparatively depreciating graphics quality.

my radeon 9200 only cost me $120 and gave me years of soldier of fortune and even the ability to play far cry until i could afford to upgrade.
 

Lasthitlarry

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hardware is cheap nowadays.

600 dollars will buy you a gaming pc, whereas 600 dollars a year ago wouldn't.
 

RussianSensation

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If we really want to complain about something, it has to be the rising cost of tuition.

In Canada, household savings rate (as % of disposable after-tax income) was 20% in 1984. In 2004, it has reached a level of 0 and 2006 forecast is <0%. Someone mentioned in this thread that people spend more than they can afford and this backs that statement up. Now, what is more frightening is that Average Income per Household (After transfers and Income taxes in constant 2002$) was $52,300 in 1980 and $54,300 in 2004. Source: People Patterns Consulting

However, of all the 400 subcomponents from the basket of goods, tuition rose 139% since 1992, or the greatest from all items. In comparison, land transportation expenses rose 48.3% and air transportation 102%, etc.....average of all items is 26.5% This is of March 2005. Source: Statistics Canada, catalogue No. 62-001-XPB

In contrast, a $900 P4 2.6@3.2ghz 1gb system I built 3 years ago could still play games without AA/AF. All it would need is a 6800GS AGP for $200. If anything, software has been too slow to take advantage of current hardware (esp cpus). As a result, the longevity of most hardware has increased imo (not so much the graphics card though). Even with graphics cards you do not see many jumping ship to X1900XTX cards. Back in the days, you'd be lucky if mid-range current generation card would play Quake 3 or unreal tournament. Also performance increases from Geforce 2 -> 3 -> 4 were far from double. X800XT PE more than doubled 9800Pros performance and today X1900XTX is almost as fast as 7800GT SLI. If something can be taken away here is that you don't need top of the line to have a gaming rig. In fact, you could be better off getting 2x $250 cards once every 1.5 years as opposed to holding top of the line $500 card for 3 years.
 
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Originally posted by: corkyg
Actually, "the good old days" had overall hardware a helluva lot more expensive that it is today. Laptops especially are now about half of what they were just 4 years ago. Complete systems are also cheaper. Hard drives are cheaper. The things most have cited are super performance gamers toys - and the cost there is relative to the performance desired. Mazeroth speaks the truth!

I remember paying over $900 for a 2X CD burner back about 1994. I remember paying that much for a flatbed SCSI scanner.

No, I find today's prices a ganga deal for the most part.


laptops have really exploded.....almost everyone i know has a laptop at uni, those that dont are pretty much the people that are into computers.

all my mates = lappy
girlfriend = lappy
lecturers = lappy
even some of the dj's in the union use laptops
 

robertk2012

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opty 144 is less than $140
1gb value ram $80
x800GTO $120
200 gb hd $70
Asrock mB $45
Powersupply $55

Not a bad computer for $510
 

Bobthelost

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I'm one of those mac users who made the swtich. As such i'm used to paying £1000+ for a system without blinking.