Man wants to to tape daughters recital.

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http://www.news-sentinel.com/a...0080715/NEWS/807150321

As a serially unsuccessful political candidate bent on repealing Social Security, William Larsen has proved his willingness to challenge the status quo. But challenging a federal entitlement popular with millions of Americans was child?s play compared to what happened to Larsen when he threatened the high school musical establishment?s revenue stream.

For his troubles, the disabled Navy veteran was put in a headlock by a Fort Wayne Police officer, charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest, handcuffed and hauled off to jail ? all because he insisted on videotaping his daughter?s show-choir performance.

He wonders how Northrop?s choir department could have signed a contract allowing Huntington Media Services Inc. exclusive rights to videotape his daughter for profit without his permission, while denying him the ability to do the same, using his own equipment, in a public school.

He wonders how he could be arrested, manhandled, sent to jail and charged with a crime when even the police acknowledged his videotaping would have broken no law ? and his camera was still under his seat, in any case.

I find that this whole situation could of been handled better. Yes, he seemed like an ass to the cop, but is that really enough to warranty a headlock and being dragged? I don't know, everyone will make their own decision. Considering he didn't actually tape anything yet, and he committed no crime. I'd say it didn't.

The part I am more interested in is the bolded area, is that even legal? I could imagine there being no videotaping at all. However, not allowing parents to tape their childrens own recital and allowing a company to make money off their daughter is a bit much.

 

[Double Trouble]

The school, the school district and the police department need to get sued for a lot of money so some folks get the message.....

 

[SpunkyJones]

Its typical. At my daughters dance recital, you could video tape the rehearsal, but not the recital itself. It was filmed by a pro and you could order a copy.

 

[rpanic]

What a scam.

 

[Thump553]

This thread should be more correctly titled: Obnoxious crank tries to impose his own perception of rules on society, goes to jail.

Sorry but I have absolutely no sympathy for that clown. He knew the rules prohibited him taping. There's a valid reason for this-it's extremely disruptive to have scads of parents blocking the isles and views trying to videotape their little darlings. Instead the school had one permitted taper, and you could obtain a tape from them.

So this jerk's response is to make a complete spectacle of himself and cause violence. What a spoiled brat-and I don't mean the child.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Thump553
This thread should be more correctly titled: Obnoxious crank tries to impose his own perception of rules on society, goes to jail.

Sorry but I have absolutely no sympathy for that clown. He knew the rules prohibited him taping. There's a valid reason for this-it's extremely disruptive to have scads of parents blocking the isles and views trying to videotape their little darlings. Instead the school had one permitted taper, and you could obtain a tape from them.

So this jerk's response is to make a complete spectacle of himself and cause violence. What a spoiled brat-and I don't mean the child.

Fuck that, and fuck you.

He's a taxpayer. He pays for that school. He pays the salaries of the worthless administrators who signed the contract with the thieving bastards who claim exclusive film rights and then rape people with exorbitant prices, and he pays the salaries of the fascist pigs who hauled him away.

As a taxpayer, he is part owner of everything that happens in that school and has a right to videotape any goddamn thing he wants there. Government agencies should not be allowed to sign those kind of overarching contracts. He needs to sue, and sue big.

 

[StageLeft]

Until people realize that public schools own their children, they'll continue to act like beligerent adults with some romantic fashion of freedom and justice. I don't know why they haven't gotten the picture yet, it's almost like they have some innate sense of what's right and wrong.

Sarcasm aside, thump has a good point, but these schools shouldn't be monopolizing to for-profit businesses. My daughter was in a dance recittal recently and they wanted THIRTY FVCKING DOLLARS for a DVD of it. You kidding me? I split with a neighbor and burned up a copy for good measure, but if the school will dictate per Thump's reasons, they should be only breaking even, not getting in cahoots with some stupid private business and costing us more.

They actually did let us film ourselves, though, and it was pretty painless. They asked for no flash photography but there was no rabble of adults with camers in isles, standing on seats, etc.

 

[woodie1]

$30 for a DVD of your own kid at a school function. That's got to cause a lot of sore feelings. I would be outraged too. Hell, you gotta take out a loan for the yearbooks nowadays.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: woodie1
$30 for a DVD of your own kid at a school function. That's got to cause a lot of sore feelings. I would be outraged too. Hell, you gotta take out a loan for the yearbooks nowadays.

Hahaha, wait till you get Graduation Photo pricing. I don't remember how much those cost at my High School graduation, but at my college graduation they wanted around $70 for a set of photos.

 

[ProfJohn]

I wonder how much money the school gets via the sale of the DVDs.

If they are using the money to help offset the cost of the recital and such then I could understand the rule.

My Nephew plays varsity soccer, if I go to some of his games I would expect to pay a ticket fee. Can I jump up and down and bitch and moan that I shouldn't have to pay because my taxes fund the school??

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Larsen had just paid $8 for his ticket when he was told he would not be allowed to videotape the event - a warning reinforced by several signs. Larsen said something like ?I paid my money. I'll do as I please,? refusing to leave his camera at the door before pushing his way into the gym.

Larsen's ?belligerent? response drew the attention of off-duty Fort Wayne Police Sgt. Allen Glock, who had been hired by Northrop to provide security for the event. The 26-year veteran warned Larsen he would be removed from the school if he taped the competition.

?We'll see about that,? Larsen replied, questioning Glock's authority to arrest him.

It wasn't long before FWPD Patrolman Juan Barrientes became aware of the growing dispute. Barrientes wasn't working that morning; his daughter was at Northrop to compete with the Garrett High School show choir.

Glock ordered Larsen to leave the school, but Larsen instead sat down in the gym between his wife and another woman. That's when Barrientes placed Larsen in a headlock, dragged him backward out of the chair and down to the floor.

Guy is an ass, I am sure he is a Ron Paul supporter too, has the same "screw you I can do whatever I want" attitude.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I wonder how much money the school gets via the sale of the DVDs.

If they are using the money to help offset the cost of the recital and such then I could understand the rule.

My Nephew plays varsity soccer, if I go to some of his games I would expect to pay a ticket fee. Can I jump up and down and bitch and moan that I shouldn't have to pay because my taxes fund the school??

More from the link

Larsen had just paid $8 for his ticket when he was told he would not be allowed to videotape the event - a warning reinforced by several signs. Larsen said something like ?I paid my money. I'll do as I please,? refusing to leave his camera at the door before pushing his way into the gym.

Larsen's ?belligerent? response drew the attention of off-duty Fort Wayne Police Sgt. Allen Glock, who had been hired by Northrop to provide security for the event. The 26-year veteran warned Larsen he would be removed from the school if he taped the competition.

?We'll see about that,? Larsen replied, questioning Glock's authority to arrest him.

It wasn't long before FWPD Patrolman Juan Barrientes became aware of the growing dispute. Barrientes wasn't working that morning; his daughter was at Northrop to compete with the Garrett High School show choir.

Glock ordered Larsen to leave the school, but Larsen instead sat down in the gym between his wife and another woman. That's when Barrientes placed Larsen in a headlock, dragged him backward out of the chair and down to the floor.

Guy is an ass, I am sure he is a Ron Paul supporter too, has the same "screw you I can do whatever I want" attitude.

Your whole post is really retarded. Did you even read what you typed?

You bring up an analogy about paying a ticket price for a soccer game, then quote the article which says, in the first sentence mind you, the guy paid $8 for a ticket.

And WTF does this have to do with Ron Paul?

If anything a "screw you I can do whatever I want" kind of attitude is the direct opposite of what Ron Paul stands for. You know, that thing called the Constitution?

Your boy George Bush is a MUCH better example of someone with a "screw you I can do whatever I want" attitude. Or perhaps, more accurately, a "screw you I can do whatever Dick Cheney tells me to" attitude.

 

[ProfJohn]

Did you read what I quoted?
He was told he could not tape the event. His response was ?I paid my money. I'll do as I please.?
As I said, the guy is an ass. Even his wife agrees that he overacts ?has a tendency to blow things out of proportion.?

 

[babylon5]

This country sometimes feel more like one of those countries we like to demonized to make ourseleves feel better.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Thump553
This thread should be more correctly titled: Obnoxious crank tries to impose his own perception of rules on society, goes to jail.

Sorry but I have absolutely no sympathy for that clown. He knew the rules prohibited him taping. There's a valid reason for this-it's extremely disruptive to have scads of parents blocking the isles and views trying to videotape their little darlings. Instead the school had one permitted taper, and you could obtain a tape from them.

So this jerk's response is to make a complete spectacle of himself and cause violence. What a spoiled brat-and I don't mean the child.

Fuck that, and fuck you.

He's a taxpayer. He pays for that school. He pays the salaries of the worthless administrators who signed the contract with the thieving bastards who claim exclusive film rights and then rape people with exorbitant prices, and he pays the salaries of the fascist pigs who hauled him away.

As a taxpayer, he is part owner of everything that happens in that school and has a right to videotape any goddamn thing he wants there. Government agencies should not be allowed to sign those kind of overarching contracts. He needs to sue, and sue big.

I take it you believe we should consult all 300 million taxpayers on every single decision in regards to every dollar?

No, of course not. So get off your high horse.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Thump553
This thread should be more correctly titled: Obnoxious crank tries to impose his own perception of rules on society, goes to jail.

Sorry but I have absolutely no sympathy for that clown. He knew the rules prohibited him taping. There's a valid reason for this-it's extremely disruptive to have scads of parents blocking the isles and views trying to videotape their little darlings. Instead the school had one permitted taper, and you could obtain a tape from them.

So this jerk's response is to make a complete spectacle of himself and cause violence. What a spoiled brat-and I don't mean the child.

Fuck that, and fuck you.

He's a taxpayer. He pays for that school. He pays the salaries of the worthless administrators who signed the contract with the thieving bastards who claim exclusive film rights and then rape people with exorbitant prices, and he pays the salaries of the fascist pigs who hauled him away.

As a taxpayer, he is part owner of everything that happens in that school and has a right to videotape any goddamn thing he wants there. Government agencies should not be allowed to sign those kind of overarching contracts. He needs to sue, and sue big.

Feel better now?

 

[Thump553]

The school is entitled to make reasonable rules and regulations. In Skroob's case, I would strongly doubt whether $30 for a DVD copy is reasonable where there is an exclusive right to video. But in that case there is a solution-go to court, sue to get the rule overturned and for other appropriate remedies, including a copy of the video. If that solution is too much, call the school board members (at home), let them know your displeasure and let them know you will be active in the next election.

Having a hissy fit and, at a minimum, ruining the evening for everyone else is just not socially acceptable behavior in my book. But I guess I was raised differently than William Larsen and a few of the other posters here.

I wonder how often Mr. Larsent complains about the decline in our society, and longs for the good old days?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Thump553
This thread should be more correctly titled: Obnoxious crank tries to impose his own perception of rules on society, goes to jail.

Sorry but I have absolutely no sympathy for that clown. He knew the rules prohibited him taping. There's a valid reason for this-it's extremely disruptive to have scads of parents blocking the isles and views trying to videotape their little darlings. Instead the school had one permitted taper, and you could obtain a tape from them.

So this jerk's response is to make a complete spectacle of himself and cause violence. What a spoiled brat-and I don't mean the child.

Fuck that, and fuck you.

He's a taxpayer. He pays for that school. He pays the salaries of the worthless administrators who signed the contract with the thieving bastards who claim exclusive film rights and then rape people with exorbitant prices, and he pays the salaries of the fascist pigs who hauled him away.

As a taxpayer, he is part owner of everything that happens in that school and has a right to videotape any goddamn thing he wants there. Government agencies should not be allowed to sign those kind of overarching contracts. He needs to sue, and sue big.

:thumbsup: and a :beer: for you. Bravo!

 

[lupi]

For a moment thought we were goping to have a Chris Hanson story as I first read the title as "rectal".

 

[dmcowen674]

William is just one of many new Americans trying to save this country from the likes of the greed loving corporate whores that control this country.

Go Larsen :thumbsup:

 

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: Thump553
This thread should be more correctly titled: Obnoxious crank tries to impose his own perception of rules on society, goes to jail.

Sorry but I have absolutely no sympathy for that clown. He knew the rules prohibited him taping. There's a valid reason for this-it's extremely disruptive to have scads of parents blocking the isles and views trying to videotape their little darlings. Instead the school had one permitted taper, and you could obtain a tape from them.

So this jerk's response is to make a complete spectacle of himself and cause violence. What a spoiled brat-and I don't mean the child.

It'd be good to have someone like you....as a slave. "It's a rule which means I must obey without reasoning it" attitube is really sweet....for a slave.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: SpunkyJones
Its typical. At my daughters dance recital, you could video tape the rehearsal, but not the recital itself. It was filmed by a pro and you could order a copy.

Its typical alright, typical bullshit!

 

[PingSpike]

The man in question should send a bill for back payment of wages from his daughters performance to the media services company.

 

[digiram]

Total BS!!!! If I were that guy, I'd be hauled to jail as well.

My mother in law bought a *professionally filmed* dvd of one of my niece's figure skating comp, and they did a tremendously bad job. Thankfully, I'm able to film each and every one of her competitions. If they didn't allow me to, I would be outraged.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
William is just one of many new Americans trying to save this country from the likes of the greed loving corporate whores that control this country.

Go Larsen :thumbsup:

I stand by what this man did. Those who detain him should be forcibly brought to justice.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Thump553
This thread should be more correctly titled: Obnoxious crank tries to impose his own perception of rules on society, goes to jail.

Sorry but I have absolutely no sympathy for that clown. He knew the rules prohibited him taping. There's a valid reason for this-it's extremely disruptive to have scads of parents blocking the isles and views trying to videotape their little darlings. Instead the school had one permitted taper, and you could obtain a tape from them.

So this jerk's response is to make a complete spectacle of himself and cause violence. What a spoiled brat-and I don't mean the child.

Fuck that, and fuck you.

He's a taxpayer. He pays for that school. He pays the salaries of the worthless administrators who signed the contract with the thieving bastards who claim exclusive film rights and then rape people with exorbitant prices, and he pays the salaries of the fascist pigs who hauled him away.

As a taxpayer, he is part owner of everything that happens in that school and has a right to videotape any goddamn thing he wants there. Government agencies should not be allowed to sign those kind of overarching contracts. He needs to sue, and sue big.

I take it you believe we should consult all 300 million taxpayers on every single decision in regards to every dollar?

No, of course not. So get off your high horse.

It's hard to respond to such an illogical post, kudos for giving it a go