Man verbally threatens another, gets choked to death during physical altercation

[spidey07]

The problem is you.

I now understand why it makes you nervous that self defense laws are so strong in this country. You're going to get yourself killed one day, by someone who doesn't care about the laws in your modern progressive state.

If you're an adult and constantly having your life threatened you need to evaluate your behaviour. Based on your constant threats, cussing, and inability to control your temper on the forums I'm seriously not surprised it worries you that someone can very easily just shoot you dead.


I suggest you stay out of the 30+ states that strongly support self defense. Stay in one of the few remaining duty to retreat states.

Yep. That attitude is going to get him dead.

 

[shortylickens]

You saying this doesn't make it true. All you do is say, over and over, "this was covered in my self-defense classes," but never cite to any actual law. You are not a lawyer, nor even a self-defense instructor.

Find me a case in which a person has been exonerated of murder based solely on a claimed verbal threat to harm someone at an unknown time in the future. The threat here was not something reasonably specific and immediate like "I'm going get in my car and run you over" - it was entirely vague as to how and when it would be carried out, and there was no reason to think the speaker would ever actually do it. I would be shocked if you can find a case involving a similar threat in which self-defense was held to be legal. I know you're enthusiastic about the idea of shooting someone, but you're living in a fantasy world if you believe you can do so with impunity just because someone tells you "I will kill you and your family."

We did talk about it in my law class.

You need to be genuinely afraid of imminent threat to your life to claim self defense.
Since its hard to prove mindset there isnt necessarily a load of physical evidence on each case of self defense. If a much larger man threatens me and I took him seriously, that would be enough.
I could be wrong about HIS intentions, but much like sexual harassment its all about how the words were received, not sent.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Still arguing about verbal threats that have nothing to do with this man's death? This is about a son coming to his father's defense and they attacker dying from the choke hold.

 

[JumBie]

The problem is you.

I now understand why it makes you nervous that self defense laws are so strong in this country. You're going to get yourself killed one day, by someone who doesn't care about the laws in your modern progressive state.

If you're an adult and constantly having your life threatened you need to evaluate your behaviour. Based on your constant threats, cussing, and inability to control your temper on the forums I'm seriously not surprised it worries you that someone can very easily just shoot you dead.


I suggest you stay out of the 30+ states that strongly support self defense. Stay in one of the few remaining duty to retreat states.

You clearly don't get out much, theres a real world outside of your computer desk, try and explore it every now and then...and once again, you mention something that I never even said, its like you keep making up things in your head when reading my response. When did I say I was worried about someone killing me? I said I don't care if someone threatens me, I am worry free, 99.9% of the time, a threat is just a threat, nothing transpires. What I am worried about is goons such as yourself that believe killing is justified for even the tiniest infractions. You would do well out in Mexico, or Congo, you have that third world kill anyone for anything mentality.

 

[JumBie]

Yep. That attitude is going to get him dead.

Once again, I never said I threaten people, I said I have been threatened. As a young male in a university setting, especially in areas that have a tendency for drunken thugs, things of that nature tend to happen for no reason. As for my temper, I am surprised that you are able to formulate an opinion on my temper over a text based conversation. The subjectiveness of cursing makes your opinion useless, for all you know the constant use of the F word within my sentence is just a way of casually speaking, no harm intended. I guess you pseudo psychologist know everything nowadays. Like I said before, either your old and decrepit, or you just don't get out enough. Remember you are most likely not going to get cursed at or threatened at your weekly dungeon and dragons meeting.

 

[MongGrel]

Someone coming to the defense of their elderly father getting the shit kicked out of him seems to even negate most discussion on this one to begin with I'd think.

Though there would be a process involved legally as there is a dead idiot laying there.

 

[kage69]

I think everyone, no matter where you fall on the issue here at hand, should also keep in mind that coming to the defense of a 3rd party is generally not an easy thing to do. Not just with your sensitivity regarding your opponents state, as sourceninja I think it was correctly noted, but being able to intercede without making things worse and/or harming the party you are attempting to shield from harm - that's a feat most of the time. When time is not on your side and your own father is paying the (iron)price, well I think those who are so quick to focus on the verbal part of this story are experiencing some unfortunate priority issues.

I am pretty curious as to what the old man attempted in order to reacquire his information, but I can say it speaks well to his standing that he didn't threaten anyone's life - supposedly acting to preserve lives, and then in defense of his own albeit not effectively.

On the other hand we have a bully threatening, then demonstrating, a desire to spill a senior citizen's blood over a car accident - adding that he would take the fight to pop's family as well.

I just have a hard time summoning up some blame or scorn for an father wanting to protect his family, or for him getting thumped ugly by a larger, younger opponent. Same for a guy who saw his dad on the receiving end of said thumping, and took steps to make that stop as soon as possible.

Someone attacks your family right in front of you it's make peace or make war time, not stand there like an idiot on the phone while your father gets beaten to death or has a heart attack/stroke.

 

[spidey07]

The fact remains. When you threaten somebody's life getting lawfully dead is a real possibility.

Don't do that.

 

[Vic]

The fact remains. When you threaten somebody's life getting lawfully dead is a real possibility.

Don't do that.

Spoken like a true thug.

 

[spidey07]

Spoken like a true thug.

Lol. Come visit a free state and threaten people. Getting dead is a very real and likely possibility.

 

[Vic]

Lol. Come visit a free state and threaten people. Getting dead is a very real and likely possibility.

Once again, spoken like a true thug. "Fuck with me and I'll kill you. "

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Once again, spoken like a true thug. "Fuck with me and I'll kill you. "

So don't fuck with people, thug or not, and you have nothing to worry about.

I don't understand what is so difficult about this concept for you modern progressives. It's like you want to be able to intimidate and threaten others.

 

[thraashman]

So don't fuck with people, thug or not, and you have nothing to worry about.

I don't understand what is so difficult about this concept for you modern progressives. It's like you want to be able to intimidate and threaten others.

Between you and spidey how many times have you two claimed you'd shoot someone or kill someone? I've seen dozens more threats from y'all than from everyone else combined.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You gotta love these Billy Badasses of the Intarweb.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

You gotta love these Billy Badasses of the Intarweb.

Careful - I'm pretty sure Spidey "learned" in his concealed carry class that making fun of him = good shoot and/or choke.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Ahhhh Houston....a melting pot community where everyone hates each other. You ever want to see natural segregation? Come visit!

I'm glad to call it home

On a serious note, the here is enough to drive someone insane.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Careful - I'm pretty sure Spidey "learned" in his concealed carry class that making fun of him = good shoot and/or choke.

It's surprising what he claims he was taught as it doesn't come close to what I was taught in Virginia or Texas. When I took the course in Texas it was taught by a retired LEO and he had a defense lawyer come in to explain Texas law and when you were allowed to use force up to and including deadly force.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Between you and spidey how many times have you two claimed you'd shoot someone or kill someone? I've seen dozens more threats from y'all than from everyone else combined.

Absolutely not.

I know better than to threaten to kill someone. That could help give them legal justification to shoot me dead.

 

[Vic]

Absolutely not.

I know better than to threaten to kill someone. That could help give them legal justification to shoot me dead.

Yet you and spidey are threatening people in this very thread.. Almost your every post is a thinly veiled threat or other form of intimidation.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Yet you and spidey are threatening people in this very thread.. Almost your every post is a thinly veiled threat or other form of intimidation.

 

[railer]

Between you and spidey how many times have you two claimed you'd shoot someone or kill someone? I've seen dozens more threats from y'all than from everyone else combined.

I'd like to know how many times they leave their apartment in a given week. It's tough to shoot anyone when you are whizzing your pants while locked in your apartment.

But, it's pretty easy to threaten to shoot everyone over the internet. Especially if you're 10 or 12 years old. Then you grow up. Usually.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Did you ever know one of those witless people that can't stop repeating the same unfunny joke?

 

[spidey07]

I'd like to know how many times they leave their apartment in a given week. It's tough to shoot anyone when you are whizzing your pants while locked in your apartment.

But, it's pretty easy to threaten to shoot everyone over the internet. Especially if you're 10 or 12 years old. Then you grow up. Usually.

You grow up when you realize you have a family and property to protect and income you generate. You will understand your duty in this world.

Once you get there you'll understand.

 

[shira]

The problem is you.

I now understand why it makes you nervous that self defense laws are so strong in this country. You're going to get yourself killed one day, by someone who doesn't care about the laws in your modern progressive state.

If you're an adult and constantly having your life threatened you need to evaluate your behaviour. Based on your constant threats, cussing, and inability to control your temper on the forums I'm seriously not surprised it worries you that someone can very easily just shoot you dead.


I suggest you stay out of the 30+ states that strongly support self defense. Stay in one of the few remaining duty to retreat states.

Only a psychotic could possibly read JumBie's posts and interpret them as him "losing control of his temper" and "making constant threats." You, sir, are a psychotic.

I've never feared anyone in my life. But you're the sort of person who would escalate a situation rather than de-escalate it. You're the sort of person who would end up killing someone where no killing was necessary. People should fear you, because you're this far from over-reacting and using deadly force.

With America increasingly populated by concealed-carry zealots, a LOT of people are going to die unnecessarily, and you and your ilk think that's great.