Man sues over 'In God We Trust' license plates

[bcterps]

So which religion is being promoted?

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Nobody realize that this enviro-wacko-nut freak needs a license plate? Why is he driving a car if he's such a hippie douche?

Otherwise this suit has no merit. It's an optional plate, not a specialty one. Everybody is free to choose what they want. It's a GREAT idea.

I can't tell if you're a jerk-off or if you're sarcastic. Damn the internet.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Nobody realize that this enviro-wacko-nut freak needs a license plate? Why is he driving a car if he's such a hippie douche?

Otherwise this suit has no merit. It's an optional plate, not a specialty one. Everybody is free to choose what they want. It's a GREAT idea.

I see nothing wrong with this suit. It's clear that there is an inequity in the way the state handles these specialty plates and they are both specialty plates.

Burton said he's confident the fee exemption will survive legal scrutiny.

"Over half a million of these plates have been (distributed). It's the No. 1 plate in the state," he said.

No kidding genius...you think that might be because they're free? Perhaps? :roll:

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: brandonb
I don't understand why people can never grasp the concept of "In God We Trust".

It has absolutely nothing to do with religion, its the slogan (war cry) of the union soldiers in battles with the Confederates. "In God We Trust" is used to honor the union soldiers that kept the USA a single country and has nothing to do with religion.

I wish people would figure it out, and stop being morons.

Yeah, "God" has nothing to do with religion. Sure. :disgust:

The slogan is on our money and license plates because :

(X) It was a phrase that the union soldiers used in the Civil War, and is there to honor the soldiers who fought and died in the Civil War.

( ) It's used to endorse a religion by the state (since many religions use the word God, including all monotheism and polytheism religions, it's not really specific to any one religion, so the state must endorse all religions?)

If you put the checkbox in any other than the top choice, then you need to put down the crack pipe.

Question:

Are WW2 vets, Vietnam Vet, and Purple Heart plates extra money?

Not in my state of Minnesota... However, the other plates "save the ducks" are.

As you can see, military type plates are at no additional costs.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Vic

Curt Smith, president of the Indiana Family Institute, supports the free plates. In God We Trust is the national motto, he said.

We mention God in the Declaration of Independence and in many of our founding documents and so I think it's very appropriate and legitimate to encourage the dissemination of this phrase, Smith told the newspaper.

God is not mentioned in the DoI or any other "founding document" that I am aware of (an awfully vague term, as the only documents I would consider to be "founding documents" are the DoI and Constitution). The phrase "In God We Trust" as our national motto does not in any fashion date back to our country's founding.

I agree that the plates should have a fee like other speciality plates, or a more legitimate reason needs to be provided as to why these plates are free while other speciality plates are not.

I'm probably wrong about my interpretation of Divine Providence, but it's generally a theistic ideology and it's used in the DoI.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

theism != religion

Theism, like atheism and most other -isms for that matter, is a belief system. A religion is an institution.

I had this discussion yesterday with a trollish tool and I'm not going to have it again today.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Vic
theism != religion

Theism, like atheism and most other -isms for that matter, is a belief system. A religion is an institution.

I had this discussion yesterday with a trollish tool and I'm not going to have it again today.

What if the plates said "In the King We Trust" ???

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Why are they free?

Who is paying for them???

:thumbsup:

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: spidey07
Nobody realize that this enviro-wacko-nut freak needs a license plate? Why is he driving a car if he's such a hippie douche?

Otherwise this suit has no merit. It's an optional plate, not a specialty one. Everybody is free to choose what they want. It's a GREAT idea.

I see nothing wrong with this suit. It's clear that there is an inequity in the way the state handles these specialty plates and they are both specialty plates.

Burton said he's confident the fee exemption will survive legal scrutiny.

"Over half a million of these plates have been (distributed). It's the No. 1 plate in the state," he said.

No kidding genius...you think that might be because they're free? Perhaps? :roll:

If it were a difference between a red and blue plate you'd have no problem with it. That's they hypocritical part.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Vic

Curt Smith, president of the Indiana Family Institute, supports the free plates. In God We Trust is the national motto, he said.

We mention God in the Declaration of Independence and in many of our founding documents and so I think it's very appropriate and legitimate to encourage the dissemination of this phrase, Smith told the newspaper.

God is not mentioned in the DoI or any other "founding document" that I am aware of (an awfully vague term, as the only documents I would consider to be "founding documents" are the DoI and Constitution). The phrase "In God We Trust" as our national motto does not in any fashion date back to our country's founding.

I agree that the plates should have a fee like other speciality plates, or a more legitimate reason needs to be provided as to why these plates are free while other speciality plates are not.

I'm probably wrong about my interpretation of Divine Providence, but it's generally a theistic ideology and it's used in the DoI.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

theism != religion

Theism, like atheism and most other -isms for that matter, is a belief system. A religion is an institution.

I had this discussion yesterday with a trollish tool and I'm not going to have it again today.

ARRRRRRR.

Knock it off, Vic, this isn't the place for your view about "atheism is a belief system".

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: spidey07
Nobody realize that this enviro-wacko-nut freak needs a license plate? Why is he driving a car if he's such a hippie douche?

Otherwise this suit has no merit. It's an optional plate, not a specialty one. Everybody is free to choose what they want. It's a GREAT idea.

I see nothing wrong with this suit. It's clear that there is an inequity in the way the state handles these specialty plates and they are both specialty plates.

Burton said he's confident the fee exemption will survive legal scrutiny.

"Over half a million of these plates have been (distributed). It's the No. 1 plate in the state," he said.

No kidding genius...you think that might be because they're free? Perhaps? :roll:

If it were a difference between a red and blue plate you'd have no problem with it. That's they hypocritical part.

I'm confused...are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?

If they charged for the blue plate but gave the red plate for free, yeah, I'd have a problem with it.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I'm confused...are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?

If they charged for the blue plate but gave the red plate for free, yeah, I'd have a problem with it.

I'm disagreeing. If you'd have a problem between the red and blue plate then you're not a hypocrite.

I personally don't have a problem between the red and blue plate being options at no cost. Therefore I think this guy has a few screws loose in his head AND a hypocritical douche for driving a car if he's so envirofriendly.

Also notice that 25 dollars of his price go to a contribution he agrees with. He CHOOSE to give to a cause. Just like the state CHOOSE to offer these plates. I'll take freedom of what douche is pushing.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Vic
theism != religion

Theism, like atheism and most other -isms for that matter, is a belief system. A religion is an institution.

I had this discussion yesterday with a trollish tool and I'm not going to have it again today.

What if the plates said "In the King We Trust" ???

What if you act like dmcowen674 the king of all trolls always does and pretend that both my ideology and my position in this argument are exactly 180 degrees of what I have already stated it to be?

I already said I supported the issue involved in this lawsuit, namely that the plates should have a fee. Why? I elaborate. Because the use of the word "God" in this case does in fact represent a religion, but not in the theistic/atheistic false dilemma presented here, but as a representation of institutional authority giving government the authority of religion.
Now, knowing this, I am well aware that only you, Dave, can be stupid and trollish enough to believe that I could also support "In the King We Trust." However, as arguing with you is like banging one's head against a wall, I am more than sure that your next comment in this thread will be pretty much something to that effect.

Originally posted by: benchiu
So which religion is being promoted?

Easy. Government as God. What else do you think the uber-patriotic fundie types worship?

 

[mercanucaribe]

Why should his tax dollars pay for one specialty plate but not all? The line has to be drawn somewhere, and that somewhere should have been before religion was a part of government at all.

 

[BD2003]

Its really not a big deal, and I'd like to think our justice system has better things to worry about, but there is no good reason that they shouldnt charge for this when they charge for everything else. In a perfect world, the state wouldnt fight it in court, because it is completely illogical. But some crusader will take up the fight to defend it, Im sure.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: benchiu
So which religion is being promoted?

god spelled backward is dog, so obviously these plates promote the great "God Dog" , "Santa's Little Helper" who is worshipped by all Simpson's fans

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: manowar821
ARRRRRRR.

Knock it off, Vic, this isn't the place for your view about "atheism is a belief system".

Maybe glutenberg should re-read my arguments in this thread then before posting. Anyone who can make the assumption that Jefferson meant the Christian God by using the words "Creator," "Nature," "Nature's God," and "Divine Providence" in the DoI needs to brush up on their history lessons.

But... :evil: if atheism isn't a belief system, then why do its proponents put themselves in direct ideological opposition to theism and religion (and religions aren't even belief systems, but institutions of authority)? :evil:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Why should his tax dollars pay for one specialty plate but not all? The line has to be drawn somewhere, and that somewhere should have been before religion was a part of government at all.

You're not overflowing with joy and happiness to pay your tax dollars? How come you don't just think of it as being like emotional welfare for the weak-minded? How can you complain about these tax dollars? The poor in spirit need your emotional charity.


:roll:

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: brandonb
I don't understand why people can never grasp the concept of "In God We Trust".

It has absolutely nothing to do with religion, its the slogan (war cry) of the union soldiers in battles with the Confederates. "In God We Trust" is used to honor the union soldiers that kept the USA a single country and has nothing to do with religion.

I wish people would figure it out, and stop being morons.

Originally posted by: brandonb

The slogan is on our money and license plates because :

(X) It was a phrase that the union soldiers used in the Civil War, and is there to honor the soldiers who fought and died in the Civil War.

( ) It's used to endorse a religion by the state (since many religions use the word God, including all monotheism and polytheism religions, it's not really specific to any one religion, so the state must endorse all religions?)

If you put the checkbox in any other than the top choice, then you need to put down the crack pipe.

Question:

Are WW2 vets, Vietnam Vet, and Purple Heart plates extra money?

Not in my state of Minnesota... However, the other plates "save the ducks" are.

As you can see, military type plates are at no additional costs.

Your attempt to label "In God We Trust" as some sort of tribute to Union Soldiers is just as disingenuous as Christians attempting to label creationism taught in schools as "Intelligent Design."

The motto was added because the people of the time wanted to officially recognize the Christian God and paint this country as a nation of God fearing Christians.

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

Just because some conservative pundit spurted it into your eager mouth doesn't make it so.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I'm confused...are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?

If they charged for the blue plate but gave the red plate for free, yeah, I'd have a problem with it.

I'm disagreeing. If you'd have a problem between the red and blue plate then you're not a hypocrite.

I personally don't have a problem between the red and blue plate being options at no cost. Therefore I think this guy has a few screws loose in his head AND a hypocritical douche for driving a car if he's so envirofriendly.

Also notice that 25 dollars of his price go to a contribution he agrees with. He CHOOSE to give to a cause. Just like the state CHOOSE to offer these plates. I'll take freedom of what douche is pushing.

What does the $25 contribution or him driving a car have to do with this? He's upset because the state charges a $15 administrative fee for his plate but they don't charge it for the "In God We Trust" plate which is also an optional plate. He's fine with the $25 contribution. It's the $15 administrative fee he has a problem with.

Here's how I see it. The state offers plain non-branded plates for free when you register your car. Or you can get the "In God We Trust" plate for free as an option. Or you can get an Indianapolis Colts plate, or an environment plate, or a plate supporting your college for an extra $15. I don't see why they charge the $15 for the others but offer the religious message plate for free.

Edit-It is the red plate blue plate argument. It so happens that I also think this equates to state endorsement of a religion.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how it plays out in court. I hope we can get an update.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: child of wonder
Your attempt to label "In God We Trust" as some sort of tribute to Union Soldiers is just as disingenuous as Christians attempting to label creationism taught in schools as "Intelligent Design."

The motto was added because the people of the time wanted to officially recognize the Christian God and paint this country as a nation of God fearing Christians.

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

Just because some conservative pundit spurted it into your eager mouth doesn't make it so.

Heh. Did you read the dates there, genius?

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: brandonb
I don't understand why people can never grasp the concept of "In God We Trust".

It has absolutely nothing to do with religion, its the slogan (war cry) of the union soldiers in battles with the Confederates. "In God We Trust" is used to honor the union soldiers that kept the USA a single country and has nothing to do with religion.

I wish people would figure it out, and stop being morons.

Yeah, "God" has nothing to do with religion. Sure. :disgust:

The slogan is on our money and license plates because :

(X) It was a phrase that the union soldiers used in the Civil War, and is there to honor the soldiers who fought and died in the Civil War.

( ) It's used to endorse a religion by the state (since many religions use the word God, including all monotheism and polytheism religions, it's not really specific to any one religion, so the state must endorse all religions?)

If you put the checkbox in any other than the top choice, then you need to put down the crack pipe.

Question:

Are WW2 vets, Vietnam Vet, and Purple Heart plates extra money?

Not in my state of Minnesota... However, the other plates "save the ducks" are.

As you can see, military type plates are at no additional costs.

Text

Link to US Treasury explaining why "In God We Trust" appears on US currency.

The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Vic
theism != religion

Theism, like atheism and most other -isms for that matter, is a belief system. A religion is an institution.

I had this discussion yesterday with a trollish tool and I'm not going to have it again today.

Definition of Divine Providence:

In theology, Divine Providence, or simply Providence, is the sovereignty, superintendence, or agency of God over events in people's lives and throughout history.

 

[yankeesfan]

Atheists get the plain license plates, as they believe in no god, for free.
Religious people get the "In God We Trust" license plates, as they believe in a god, for free as well.

Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Vic
theism != religion

Theism, like atheism and most other -isms for that matter, is a belief system. A religion is an institution.

I had this discussion yesterday with a trollish tool and I'm not going to have it again today.

Definition of Divine Providence:

In theology, Divine Providence, or simply Providence, is the sovereignty, superintendence, or agency of God over events in people's lives and throughout history.

Are you not reading? Or not understanding?

You don't need to stoop to this Divine Providence example. If you knew the DoI, then you would know that the word "God" itself is also in there, under the context of "Nature's God." And I can say with firm conviction and historical accuracy that Jefferson's use those words was in no way in support of the Christian God or any other religion.

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: manowar821
ARRRRRRR.

Knock it off, Vic, this isn't the place for your view about "atheism is a belief system".

Maybe glutenberg should re-read my arguments in this thread then before posting. Anyone who can make the assumption that Jefferson meant the Christian God by using the words "Creator," "Nature," "Nature's God," and "Divine Providence" in the DoI needs to brush up on their history lessons.

But... :evil: if atheism isn't a belief system, then why do its proponents put themselves in direct ideological opposition to theism and religion (and religions aren't even belief systems, but institutions of authority)? :evil:

Why use words laced with religious undertones if you don't mean it? He may have been an atheist but it does not mean that the people who needed to sign the DoI were.