Man sued for $32 million by illegals

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: ironwing
Of course y'all know this isn't Mr. Barnett's first brush with civil court.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?aid=93

It seems Mr. Barnett likes holding American hunters at gunpoint as well, on state land no less. He lost that case.

You must not have the right article linked because it doesn't say anywhere that the incident was on state land.

Out here in the boondocks I know of landowners who have pulled guns on people who were trespassing (hunting) on their land (we call them slob hunters). I've also known landowners who have had trespassers pull guns on them. Hell, I know of a game warden who pulled his gun on a couple of guys who were legally ice fishing.

And guess what. Nobody sued anybody. But apparently the "neighborhood" is going to go to pot.

Here ya go, state land.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/...frontation0923-ON.html

Barnett doesn't own the land where the Morales family had been crossing, though he leases it from the state. Lawyers for the Morales family said they were in the area legally.

Arizona State Trust Land grazing leases do not give lessees the right to keep others off the land.

Yes they can, but hunting is allowed without a recreational permit. I highly doubt they have permits for "illegal immigration".

http://www.land.state.az.us/support/faqs.htm

My state is different. State grazing lands are off limits to hunting without permission for whoever is leasing it.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

This happened a year ago I thought? Are they still in federal custody? I highly doubt it.

Well even if they aren't, there are frequently ways you can get people into the country to appear in court proceedings, and even if there were not there are other ways for them to submit their testimony.

Can't the "accused" demand to question them in person? This is a 32 million dollar lawsuit here you know.

BTW, you must have missed this question I asked earlier:

Answer one simple question. If in fact he did lose it and kick the lady does that justify a $32 million lawsuit?

Maybe, that would be up to the jury. It would certainly justify jail time for battery.

Not necessarily, because she may have did something to force his hand.

This whole thing is nothing but political pollyanna because they are illegals and this guy has a highway going through his property. A highway the illegals and their sympathizers want to keep open.

 

[nobodyknows]

Pictures of illegal immigration invasion on Roger Barnett's ranch, Arizona

Border Crackdown Jams US Federal Courts

The US began laying the groundwork for the current prosecutorial overload as far back as 1996, with enactment of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, says Mr. Vail. That law provided funds for the border patrol to more than double the number of agents along the Southwest border. It also introduced what's known as "reinstatement of removal," which means that any illegal immigrant who'd been deported by a US immigration judge - a misdemeanor - would be automatically subjected to reinstatement of that previous order if caught again trying to sneak into the United States. No new hearing before an immigration judge would be needed.

Moreover, under that law the illegal entrant can be charged with illegal entry after deportation, a felony - an option now being applied more often by US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers.

Fingerprinting leads to more cases

An advance in technology also helps CBP and ICE generate more felony arrests. By the end of 2004, all border patrol sectors had been hooked up with the Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System. All people detained at the border are fingerprinted, and that digital print is immediately transmitted to the FBI in Washington. Within minutes, a report comes back indicating whether the detainee has been caught and deported before, and whether that detainee has a criminal history.

"It is one of the most useful tools we have," says Gus Soto, supervisory border patrol agent in Tucson. "We're finding that for every 10 people we're apprehending, at least one has a criminal record in the US, and these are people we are, of course, prosecuting."

Since they're cracking down at the main entry ports anybody with a record has to sneak acroos places like this person's ranch.

 

[EagleKeeper]

As other criminals in the US have found out, one can not be held in false imprisonment by a citizen

Regretfully, the rancher did cause false imprisonment by not allowing the people to leave voluntarily. Holding them at gunpoint in other jurisdictions may be grounds for state prosecution.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

This happened a year ago I thought? Are they still in federal custody? I highly doubt it.

Well even if they aren't, there are frequently ways you can get people into the country to appear in court proceedings, and even if there were not there are other ways for them to submit their testimony.

Can't the "accused" demand to question them in person? This is a 32 million dollar lawsuit here you know.

BTW, you must have missed this question I asked earlier:

Answer one simple question. If in fact he did lose it and kick the lady does that justify a $32 million lawsuit?

Maybe, that would be up to the jury. It would certainly justify jail time for battery.

Not necessarily, because she may have did something to force his hand.

This whole thing is nothing but political pollyanna because they are illegals and this guy has a highway going through his property. A highway the illegals and their sympathizers want to keep open.

No, the whole is about a thug vigilante illegally harassing brown skinned people.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

This happened a year ago I thought? Are they still in federal custody? I highly doubt it.

Well even if they aren't, there are frequently ways you can get people into the country to appear in court proceedings, and even if there were not there are other ways for them to submit their testimony.

Can't the "accused" demand to question them in person? This is a 32 million dollar lawsuit here you know.

BTW, you must have missed this question I asked earlier:

Answer one simple question. If in fact he did lose it and kick the lady does that justify a $32 million lawsuit?

Maybe, that would be up to the jury. It would certainly justify jail time for battery.

Not necessarily, because she may have did something to force his hand.

This whole thing is nothing but political pollyanna because they are illegals and this guy has a highway going through his property. A highway the illegals and their sympathizers want to keep open.

No, the whole is about a thug vigilante illegally harassing brown skinned people.

Yeah because clearly a racist like this guy purposely bought property on the border so he could hate on "brown people"... :roll:

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

This happened a year ago I thought? Are they still in federal custody? I highly doubt it.

Well even if they aren't, there are frequently ways you can get people into the country to appear in court proceedings, and even if there were not there are other ways for them to submit their testimony.

Can't the "accused" demand to question them in person? This is a 32 million dollar lawsuit here you know.

BTW, you must have missed this question I asked earlier:

Answer one simple question. If in fact he did lose it and kick the lady does that justify a $32 million lawsuit?

Maybe, that would be up to the jury. It would certainly justify jail time for battery.

Not necessarily, because she may have did something to force his hand.

This whole thing is nothing but political pollyanna because they are illegals and this guy has a highway going through his property. A highway the illegals and their sympathizers want to keep open.

No, the whole is about a thug vigilante illegally harassing brown skinned people.

Yeah because clearly a racist like this guy purposely bought property on the border so he could hate on "brown people"... :roll:

Gosh you're dumb. You didn't even read the articles did you?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

This happened a year ago I thought? Are they still in federal custody? I highly doubt it.

Well even if they aren't, there are frequently ways you can get people into the country to appear in court proceedings, and even if there were not there are other ways for them to submit their testimony.

Can't the "accused" demand to question them in person? This is a 32 million dollar lawsuit here you know.

BTW, you must have missed this question I asked earlier:

Answer one simple question. If in fact he did lose it and kick the lady does that justify a $32 million lawsuit?

Maybe, that would be up to the jury. It would certainly justify jail time for battery.

Not necessarily, because she may have did something to force his hand.

This whole thing is nothing but political pollyanna because they are illegals and this guy has a highway going through his property. A highway the illegals and their sympathizers want to keep open.

No, the whole is about a thug vigilante illegally harassing brown skinned people.

Yeah because clearly a racist like this guy purposely bought property on the border so he could hate on "brown people"... :roll:

Gosh you're dumb. You didn't even read the articles did you?

Uhhh.. I read it. What exactly is your point if not trying to make this an emotional argument about racism with your comments?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

This happened a year ago I thought? Are they still in federal custody? I highly doubt it.

Well even if they aren't, there are frequently ways you can get people into the country to appear in court proceedings, and even if there were not there are other ways for them to submit their testimony.

Can't the "accused" demand to question them in person? This is a 32 million dollar lawsuit here you know.

BTW, you must have missed this question I asked earlier:

Answer one simple question. If in fact he did lose it and kick the lady does that justify a $32 million lawsuit?

Maybe, that would be up to the jury. It would certainly justify jail time for battery.

Not necessarily, because she may have did something to force his hand.

This whole thing is nothing but political pollyanna because they are illegals and this guy has a highway going through his property. A highway the illegals and their sympathizers want to keep open.

No, the whole is about a thug vigilante illegally harassing brown skinned people.

Yeah because clearly a racist like this guy purposely bought property on the border so he could hate on "brown people"... :roll:

Gosh you're dumb. You didn't even read the articles did you?

Uhhh.. I read it. What exactly is your point if not trying to make this an emotional argument about racism with your comments?

The guy was found guilty by a jury of violating people's rights based on...wait for it...here it comes.....race.

 

[JSt0rm]

If I was this guy I would make a nice little walkway for them that they have to buy a ticket to use and put up vending machines along the way "welcome to america"

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
He's turned over 12,000? Damn.

we need to get this guy on the payroll!

Originally posted by: AAjax
Lawyers, well you know what they say about them....

Shoot the ACLU ones first?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
We should invite the illegals to appear in court, at which time they will be taken out back and shot. Can anyone think of a better response? Perhaps the shots fired in the execution of the 16 invaders could mark the beginning of the war on illegal immigration?

Ah America, how far we have fallen when people like you are in it. Nation of laws? Not anymore, kill anyone who looks at you funny!

My post was extreme and obviously I don't seriously advocate that, but it does convey the spirit with which our nation is going to have to address this issue if we don't want to continue to be overrun. Part of the solution may indeed involve shooting anyone who crosses the border illegally (after it has cleared proper legal channels).

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

This happened a year ago I thought? Are they still in federal custody? I highly doubt it.

Well even if they aren't, there are frequently ways you can get people into the country to appear in court proceedings, and even if there were not there are other ways for them to submit their testimony.

Can't the "accused" demand to question them in person? This is a 32 million dollar lawsuit here you know.

BTW, you must have missed this question I asked earlier:

Answer one simple question. If in fact he did lose it and kick the lady does that justify a $32 million lawsuit?

Maybe, that would be up to the jury. It would certainly justify jail time for battery.

Not necessarily, because she may have did something to force his hand.

This whole thing is nothing but political pollyanna because they are illegals and this guy has a highway going through his property. A highway the illegals and their sympathizers want to keep open.

No, the whole is about a thug vigilante illegally harassing brown skinned people.

Yeah because clearly a racist like this guy purposely bought property on the border so he could hate on "brown people"... :roll:

Gosh you're dumb. You didn't even read the articles did you?

Uhhh.. I read it. What exactly is your point if not trying to make this an emotional argument about racism with your comments?

The guy was found guilty by a jury of violating people's rights based on...wait for it...here it comes.....race.

He supposedly accosted some people that were on land he owned/controlled. There were allegation of epithets but your link is full of rhetoric and hyperbole. It looks like it's nothing more than some bleeding heart group that wants amnesty or the like. They also make other claims about the guy but it doesn't look like this group is one you can just take their word for it since it's obvious they have an agenda. Maybe the guy is a racist - I don't know, but you don't know either. So you can continue on with your rhetoric about "harassment" if you wish but it sure as hell isn't harassment if it is an ILLEGAL ALIEN TRESPASSING - which is what the original link is about. Seems to me, that it's the illegals that are harassing the land owner with their trespassing, but I'm sure an apologist like you can't see that...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
If I was this guy I would make a nice little walkway for them that they have to buy a ticket to use and put up vending machines along the way "welcome to america"

And a big fenced in pen at the end of the walkway

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

This happened a year ago I thought? Are they still in federal custody? I highly doubt it.

Well even if they aren't, there are frequently ways you can get people into the country to appear in court proceedings, and even if there were not there are other ways for them to submit their testimony.

Can't the "accused" demand to question them in person? This is a 32 million dollar lawsuit here you know.

BTW, you must have missed this question I asked earlier:

Answer one simple question. If in fact he did lose it and kick the lady does that justify a $32 million lawsuit?

Maybe, that would be up to the jury. It would certainly justify jail time for battery.

Not necessarily, because she may have did something to force his hand.

This whole thing is nothing but political pollyanna because they are illegals and this guy has a highway going through his property. A highway the illegals and their sympathizers want to keep open.

No, the whole is about a thug vigilante illegally harassing brown skinned people.

Yeah because clearly a racist like this guy purposely bought property on the border so he could hate on "brown people"... :roll:

Gosh you're dumb. You didn't even read the articles did you?

Uhhh.. I read it. What exactly is your point if not trying to make this an emotional argument about racism with your comments?

The guy was found guilty by a jury of violating people's rights based on...wait for it...here it comes.....race.

He supposedly accosted some people that were on land he owned/controlled. There were allegation of epithets but your link is full of rhetoric and hyperbole. It looks like it's nothing more than some bleeding heart group that wants amnesty or the like. They also make other claims about the guy but it doesn't look like this group is one you can just take their word for it since it's obvious they have an agenda. Maybe the guy is a racist - I don't know, but you don't know either. So you can continue on with your rhetoric about "harassment" if you wish but it sure as hell isn't harassment if it is an ILLEGAL ALIEN TRESPASSING - which is what the original link is about. Seems to me, that it's the illegals that are harassing the land owner with their trespassing, but I'm sure an apologist like you can't see that...

You were wrong, deal with it. He does not own or control the land. He rents some of the grass, that all. The jury who heard the facts sided with the plaintiffs.

 

[idiotekniQues]

sure sounds like this guy is in the right. if the facts are true, he has dealt with a consistent violation of his property - he shot nobody, he called the authorities.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Skoorb
He's turned over 12,000? Damn.

we need to get this guy on the payroll!

Originally posted by: AAjax
Lawyers, well you know what they say about them....

Shoot the ACLU ones first?

Ah...ANOTHER hater of the Bill of Rights.

WTF is it about our Constitution and the Bill of Rights that you folks on the right hate so much?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: racolvin
1) Illegals shouldn't be allowed to file a US Civil Rights case - they are not US Citizens and therefore aren't entitled to any US Civil Rights. (this stance may not be technically correct legally speaking but from a laymans perspective it makes perfect sense)

Only because your average "layman" is retarded.

What about people here under tourists visas? Work visas? Embassy people? Non-citizens who suffer shipwrecks or other calamities and wash onto US shores? Hikers who get lost and cross border inadvertently?

Even if these people knowingly and flagrantly broke the law, they don't forfeit all of their rights. They're called "human rights" for a reason--even convicted felons have some rights.

I agree that the suit is ridiculous and nothing more than political posturing, but the answer is not to render American citizens immune to suit by foreign parties (shades of Blackwater...).

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Skoorb
He's turned over 12,000? Damn.

we need to get this guy on the payroll!

Originally posted by: AAjax
Lawyers, well you know what they say about them....

Shoot the ACLU ones first?

Ah...ANOTHER hater of the Bill of Rights.

WTF is it about our Constitution and the Bill of Rights that you folks on the right hate so much?

I suggest you read it before you say it's scrapped by other people.

And by people both i and the bill ov rights mean people.

 

[ericlp]

What?

You didn't see this coming? hahahaha

That's what happens when you have 500,000 lawyers/attorneys that are out of work. Don't blame the immigrant blame are screwed up society. Sue happy?

These low life scum will do anything and I mean ANYTHING for a buck.

 

[SSSnail]

It's a trap, they'll have some Immigration Officers waiting outside the court house for the "plaintiffs" to show up.

 

[racolvin]

Originally posted by: Atheus
If an American was stuck overseas without a visa, say here in Britain, you people would want them to have all the human rights granted by the local govornment wouldn't you? You would want them to able to begin legal proceedings if they wish. Even if they were an unsavoury character, or a minor criminal, right?

Seems like a very different situation doesn't it. Now why does it seem so different to you? Could it be the way they act, the way they speak, the color of their skin? Be very careful.

How would an American be stuck overseas without a Visa except for having lost it once he/she arrived in country? By entering the country legally with a Visa to begin with I would say yes, that person should be afforded all legal protections possible. The fact that their Visa might have been stolen or lost at the hotel shouldn't preclude legal protection.

This situation is not the same. It's not as if a boatload of Americans arrived on your shores illegally and were trying to hide out in South Wales.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
It's a trap, they'll have some Immigration Officers waiting outside the court house for the "plaintiffs" to show up.

It's to late for that.

I've grown to hate the US customs and immigrations service since even though i am always equipped with the appropriate papers and have people to verify it as well as greeters i ALWAYS get detained.

Now my good friend has never had any problems what so ever anywhere.

He is my liutenant, i am his captain and the US rules make no sense what so ever.

None, zilch, nada... If Usama wanted to board a plane he could do it with a fake ID but if your name is Jake, you'll have to catch a later flight.

It's fucking retarded.

 

[feralkid]

More details here: http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/278558.php. He's been convicted of false imprisonment before, and it wasn't always Illegals.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

This happened a year ago I thought? Are they still in federal custody? I highly doubt it.

Well even if they aren't, there are frequently ways you can get people into the country to appear in court proceedings, and even if there were not there are other ways for them to submit their testimony.

Can't the "accused" demand to question them in person? This is a 32 million dollar lawsuit here you know.

BTW, you must have missed this question I asked earlier:

Answer one simple question. If in fact he did lose it and kick the lady does that justify a $32 million lawsuit?

Maybe, that would be up to the jury. It would certainly justify jail time for battery.

Not necessarily, because she may have did something to force his hand.

This whole thing is nothing but political pollyanna because they are illegals and this guy has a highway going through his property. A highway the illegals and their sympathizers want to keep open.

No, the whole is about a thug vigilante illegally harassing brown skinned people.

I see he's guilty in your mind already.

He's obviously not in favor of illegal immigration but that's his right. Quit being a punk and playing the race card. There are people all over this world standing in line to come to this country and being from Mexico doesn't automatically put you in the front of the line.