Man sued for $32 million by illegals

[shiner]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
Well from now on just start shooting, dead illegals cant file lawsuits.

Seems like the best solution.

That's fine. Then he will go to jail for murder, and rightfully so. Shockingly enough you can't slaughter anyone unfortunate enough to be walking on your lawn.

Sure you can. Here I can tell someone to get off my property. They have 3 chances to do so. If they don't leave then I can shoot them dead where they stand.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
Well from now on just start shooting, dead illegals cant file lawsuits.

Seems like the best solution.

That's fine. Then he will go to jail for murder, and rightfully so. Shockingly enough you can't slaughter anyone unfortunate enough to be walking on your lawn.

Sure you can. Here I can tell someone to get off my property. They have 3 chances to do so. If they don't leave then I can shoot them dead where they stand.

:thumbsup:


They will lose the suit, and now they are on a watch list im sure. No "American dream" for them.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
Well from now on just start shooting, dead illegals cant file lawsuits.

Seems like the best solution.

That's fine. Then he will go to jail for murder, and rightfully so. Shockingly enough you can't slaughter anyone unfortunate enough to be walking on your lawn.

Sure you can. Here I can tell someone to get off my property. They have 3 chances to do so. If they don't leave then I can shoot them dead where they stand.

There's a big difference between someone deciding to stay on your property and 'just start shooting' when you see them. In fact, this guy said he would shoot them if they tried to run away, presumably off of his property.

nobodyknows: I most certainly do care about the property owner. That doesn't mean he gets immunity from lawsuits though.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Citrix
fricken illegals have more rights than a citizen of this country. total bullshit.

Please explain to us the rights you think these illegals have that US citizens don't?

 

[imported_Champ]

citizens arrest?...would that qualify?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

nobodyknows: I most certainly do care about the property owner. That doesn't mean he gets immunity from lawsuits though.

Then what are the landowners options?

Trespassers have killed his cattle, have vandalized and stolen his property, hell they've even broken into his house!! And this has been going on for 10 years!!!!!

Now the MALDEF are suing him??? Get real, this should never, ever have went to trial. I hope/pray he countersues the MADEF for emotional damages!!!!!!! I'd say 32 million bucks should about cover it.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
Well from now on just start shooting, dead illegals cant file lawsuits.

Seems like the best solution.

That's fine. Then he will go to jail for murder, and rightfully so. Shockingly enough you can't slaughter anyone unfortunate enough to be walking on your lawn.

Maybe where you live but around here we property owners can chase anyone off our property by most any means at our disposal.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

nobodyknows: I most certainly do care about the property owner. That doesn't mean he gets immunity from lawsuits though.

Then what are the landowners options?

Trespassers have killed his cattle, have vandalized and stolen his property, hell they've even broken into his house!! And this has been going on for 10 years!!!!!

Now the MALDEF are suing him??? Get real, this should never, ever have went to trial. I hope/pray he countersues the MADEF for emotional damages!!!!!!! I'd say 32 million bucks should about cover it.

Are the individual people he caught responsible for the death of his cattle/vandalism/etc? If they are, he should definitely go after them. Has the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund done something illegal or negligent by providing for the legal defense of illegal immigrants that has contributed to damage to his property? (hint: defending illegal immigrants in court isn't illegal.) Good luck with that one.

Maybe the guy should work for greater police protection for his property, maybe he should petition local government for more resources to secure his property, whatever. The answer is obviously not to somehow declare someone immune from civil penalties for their actions, and it never will be.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp
Well from now on just start shooting, dead illegals cant file lawsuits.

Seems like the best solution.

That's fine. Then he will go to jail for murder, and rightfully so. Shockingly enough you can't slaughter anyone unfortunate enough to be walking on your lawn.

Maybe where you live but around here we property owners can chase anyone off our property by most any means at our disposal.

'chase someone off'. Exactly. You have a lot more leeway when you tell someone to leave and they refuse. You can't just open fire on someone without warning though, and you would also run into a lot of trouble if you told someone to leave and then started shooting at them as they were.

Anyways, that's not what's at issue here. He arrested these guys and threatened them with death if they ran away (which would be presumably OFF his property). That's what he's in hot water for.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Anyways, that's not what's at issue here. He arrested these guys and threatened them with death if they ran away (which would be presumably OFF his property). That's what he's in hot water for.

he has a 22,000 acre ranch. that's an area 50% bigger than manhattan. so i very much doubt it would be off his property.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

nobodyknows: I most certainly do care about the property owner. That doesn't mean he gets immunity from lawsuits though.

Then what are the landowners options?

Trespassers have killed his cattle, have vandalized and stolen his property, hell they've even broken into his house!! And this has been going on for 10 years!!!!!

Now the MALDEF are suing him??? Get real, this should never, ever have went to trial. I hope/pray he countersues the MADEF for emotional damages!!!!!!! I'd say 32 million bucks should about cover it.

Are the individual people he caught responsible for the death of his cattle/vandalism/etc?

If he hadn't held them for the police they might have did something. That is why he was within his rights to do so.

If they are, he should definitely go after them. Has the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund done something illegal or negligent by providing for the legal defense of illegal immigrants that has contributed to damage to his property? (hint: defending illegal immigrants in court isn't illegal.) Good luck with that one.

Hint: Trespassing is.

Maybe the guy should work for greater police protection for his property, maybe he should petition local government for more resources to secure his property, whatever. The answer is obviously not to somehow declare someone immune from civil penalties for their actions, and it never will be.

Who's declaring anybody immune from anything?

He is protecting his property. Nothing more, nothing less. You can't just allow anybody and everybody to run over your property just because they feel like it and the situtation is further agravated by the number of people doing so and the damage they are causing.

Like I said, other then a little lip service you don't give a crap about the property owner.

 

[DealMonkey]

What a stupid lawsuit. Geeze.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Uhmm, anyone can sue anyone they want? Surely you could see the MASSIVE potential for abuse if illegal immigrants (or anyone else) suddenly had no avenue for redress of grievances?

They should be forced to go through their consulate, who can take it up with the proper authorities.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Anyways, that's not what's at issue here. He arrested these guys and threatened them with death if they ran away (which would be presumably OFF his property). That's what he's in hot water for.

he has a 22,000 acre ranch. that's an area 50% bigger than manhattan. so i very much doubt it would be off his property.

Let's examine this rationally. The illegal immigrants are not trying to set up shop on his ranch, they had expressed no interest in staying that I am aware of, and so sooner or later it would be. If I'm standing in the middle of your lawn and you say 'get off or I'll shoot!', if I turn around and take a step towards the sidewalk, I'm still technically continuing to step on your property. As rational human beings we both know what's wrong with that reasoning.

I'm not arguing one way or the other on this case, as I don't really know much of anything about it other than a few lines. I'm just saying that is what he seems to have gotten in trouble for, and it does have a rational basis. (doesn't mean they will win or even come close to winning the suit against him, just that it's not off the wall insane or anything)

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

This is the bullshit we put with in Arizona. This dude's property is RIGHT on the border, and he was simply protecting his own property.

Holster your irons, there, Slim. The guy's right, and those suing him are blowing smoke. Nothing to see, here, but a bullshit lawsuit. :roll:

The up side for the guy is, if the attorneys representing the illegals have any monye, he could have a good suit against them for malicious prosecution or abuse of process.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
How an illegal can sue an American is beyond me.

yur a reel deep thincker eh?

eskimo: clearly wasting your time here. somehow these folks think human rights is an all or nothing proposition. nobodyknows is practically in hysterics.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Anyways, that's not what's at issue here. He arrested these guys and threatened them with death if they ran away (which would be presumably OFF his property). That's what he's in hot water for.

he has a 22,000 acre ranch. that's an area 50% bigger than manhattan. so i very much doubt it would be off his property.

That's 35 square miles, a whole township.

His logic fails because he claims he threatened them with death. He threatened to shoot them if they tried to run, not the same thing. Eskimo must think he should have given them a ride over to his neighbor's property. I'm sure his neighbor would appreciate the company. :laugh:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

nobodyknows: I most certainly do care about the property owner. That doesn't mean he gets immunity from lawsuits though.

Then what are the landowners options?

Trespassers have killed his cattle, have vandalized and stolen his property, hell they've even broken into his house!! And this has been going on for 10 years!!!!!

Now the MALDEF are suing him??? Get real, this should never, ever have went to trial. I hope/pray he countersues the MADEF for emotional damages!!!!!!! I'd say 32 million bucks should about cover it.

Are the individual people he caught responsible for the death of his cattle/vandalism/etc?

If he hadn't held them for the police they might have did something. That is why he was within his rights to do so.

If they are, he should definitely go after them. Has the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund done something illegal or negligent by providing for the legal defense of illegal immigrants that has contributed to damage to his property? (hint: defending illegal immigrants in court isn't illegal.) Good luck with that one.

Hint: Trespassing is.

Maybe the guy should work for greater police protection for his property, maybe he should petition local government for more resources to secure his property, whatever. The answer is obviously not to somehow declare someone immune from civil penalties for their actions, and it never will be.

Who's declaring anybody immune from anything?

He is protecting his property. Nothing more, nothing less. You can't just allow anybody and everybody to run over your property just because they feel like it and the situtation is further agravated by the number of people doing so and the damage they are causing.

Like I said, other then a little lip service you don't give a crap about the property owner.

What the hell are you talking about? I never said he wasn't in his legal rights to hold them, all I said was that they have a right to sue him, the same as anyone else inside America does. The courts will decide if what he did was right or wrong. I'm not sure how you have confused my defense of basic legal principles with support of the Mexicans' position, but you should stop. Sorry if my concern for someone's trespassing problem don't exceed my concern for the basic function of the American civil legal system.

As far as suing someone for trespassing, good luck on that one too. You have to be able to show you were in some way materially harmed by their trespass. Saying "I've had cows killed" isn't going to fly, because you would have to prove that THESE people killed your cows. If he can come up with some way he was harmed by these individuals and can affix a dollar amount to it, go for it! Your argument against MADEF just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Suing someone for providing legal defense is a great way for whatever lawyer takes this guys' case to get himself in trouble with the bar for filing frivolous lawsuits.

Dealmonkey: that's not how our system works, and it would create an administrative catastrophe. I'm not even sure who the 'proper authorities' would be in a civil case. It wouldn't be the police, so who were you thinking of?

 

[babylon5]

Next, drug runners will sue for access for his property lol

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

nobodyknows: I most certainly do care about the property owner. That doesn't mean he gets immunity from lawsuits though.

Then what are the landowners options?

Trespassers have killed his cattle, have vandalized and stolen his property, hell they've even broken into his house!! And this has been going on for 10 years!!!!!

Now the MALDEF are suing him??? Get real, this should never, ever have went to trial. I hope/pray he countersues the MADEF for emotional damages!!!!!!! I'd say 32 million bucks should about cover it.

Are the individual people he caught responsible for the death of his cattle/vandalism/etc?

If he hadn't held them for the police they might have did something. That is why he was within his rights to do so.

If they are, he should definitely go after them. Has the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund done something illegal or negligent by providing for the legal defense of illegal immigrants that has contributed to damage to his property? (hint: defending illegal immigrants in court isn't illegal.) Good luck with that one.

Hint: Trespassing is.

Maybe the guy should work for greater police protection for his property, maybe he should petition local government for more resources to secure his property, whatever. The answer is obviously not to somehow declare someone immune from civil penalties for their actions, and it never will be.

Who's declaring anybody immune from anything?

He is protecting his property. Nothing more, nothing less. You can't just allow anybody and everybody to run over your property just because they feel like it and the situtation is further agravated by the number of people doing so and the damage they are causing.

Like I said, other then a little lip service you don't give a crap about the property owner.

What the hell are you talking about? I never said he wasn't in his legal rights to hold them, all I said was that they have a right to sue him, the same as anyone else inside America does. The courts will decide if what he did was right or wrong. I'm not sure how you have confused my defense of basic legal principles with support of the Mexicans' position, but you should stop. Sorry if my concern for someone's trespassing problem don't exceed my concern for the basic function of the American civil legal system.

As far as suing someone for trespassing, good luck on that one too. You have to be able to show you were in some way materially harmed by their trespass. Saying "I've had cows killed" isn't going to fly, because you would have to prove that THESE people killed your cows. If he can come up with some way he was harmed by these individuals and can affix a dollar amount to it, go for it! Your argument against MADEF just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Suing someone for providing legal defense is a great way for whatever lawyer takes this guys' case to get himself in trouble with the bar for filing frivolous lawsuits.

Dealmonkey: that's not how our system works, and it would create an administrative catastrophe. I'm not even sure who the 'proper authorities' would be in a civil case. It wouldn't be the police, so who were you thinking of?

The ones that should be in trouble with the bar are the ones suing the landowner who WAS ONLY EXERCISING HIS CIVIL RIGHTS AS AFFORDED HIM BY THE LAW.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Anyways, that's not what's at issue here. He arrested these guys and threatened them with death if they ran away (which would be presumably OFF his property). That's what he's in hot water for.

he has a 22,000 acre ranch. that's an area 50% bigger than manhattan. so i very much doubt it would be off his property.

Let's examine this rationally. The illegal immigrants are not trying to set up shop on his ranch, they had expressed no interest in staying that I am aware of, and so sooner or later it would be. If I'm standing in the middle of your lawn and you say 'get off or I'll shoot!', if I turn around and take a step towards the sidewalk, I'm still technically continuing to step on your property. As rational human beings we both know what's wrong with that reasoning.

I'm not arguing one way or the other on this case, as I don't really know much of anything about it other than a few lines. I'm just saying that is what he seems to have gotten in trouble for, and it does have a rational basis. (doesn't mean they will win or even come close to winning the suit against him, just that it's not off the wall insane or anything)

yes, let's examine this rationally. if he's got them in his sights at any random point on a 22,000 acre ranch and he were to start shooting if they were to start running, likely they'd still be on his ranch. for probably quite a while. it probably takes some time to run across pretty much any part.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

The ones that should be in trouble with the bar are the ones suing the landowner who WAS ONLY EXERCISING HIS CIVIL RIGHTS AS AFFORDED HIM BY THE LAW.

You're not even making sense at this point. I can't argue with you.

Shockingly enough, the people arrested, threatened with death at gunpoint, and (allegedly) beaten by a property owner have a rational basis for a case, and therefore their legal representation will not be getting in trouble with the bar. Suing someone for the act of providing legal representation, amazingly enough is not rational, and very well could get you in trouble.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: blackangst1
How an illegal can sue an American is beyond me.

yur a reel deep thincker eh?

eskimo: clearly wasting your time here. somehow these folks think human rights is an all or nothing proposition. nobodyknows is practically in hysterics.

Yur a reel smart libruhl rn't ya. I rekon you otta muv to mecico an help dem dare people. I hears dey have a lota problms wit der rights down der.

 

[yh125d]

Mexicans crossing illegally onto private property should have rights*






*Note the heavy use of sarcasm

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

The ones that should be in trouble with the bar are the ones suing the landowner who WAS ONLY EXERCISING HIS CIVIL RIGHTS AS AFFORDED HIM BY THE LAW.

You're not even making sense at this point. I can't argue with you.

Shockingly enough, the people arrested, threatened with death at gunpoint, and (allegedly) beaten by a property owner have a rational basis for a case, and therefore their legal representation will not be getting in trouble with the bar. Suing someone for the act of providing legal representation, amazingly enough is not rational, and very well could get you in trouble.

He threatened to shoot them if they ran and that was his right. Maybe he would have and maybe he wouldn't have, but when you're forced to confront someone or a goup of people (and they forced him to) you best be smart enough to act tough as hell.