Man shopping in JC Penny in Utah with AR 15 & holstered Glock.

[TallBill]

Then you need to re-read the conversation I had with Olikan. He was wondering how a security guard is supposed to tell the difference between a person open-carrying and a robber.

A simple "Hello, how are you doing?" Engage the person in conversation and acknowledge them politely.

 

[sigurros81]

Sigguros, there is no "dumb logic" behind anything I have said.

Again, was he breaking any laws? No.
Did JCPenny ask him to leave or refuse him service. No.
Did he go overboard? Maybe. But he is within his rights so you have no room to speak. At all.
Noone cares about your oppinion because you are a nobody. You are just drinking the koolaid and catching a free ride on the bandwagon.
If you are against guns then don't buy one. Sit back with your wittle passy and let the people that do, and aren't afraid, be in peace. This man was and is making a bold statement. Period. He deserves a standing ovation for doing what he did. Like MLK standing up for human rights, this man is standing up for our rights as described in the 2nd amendment.

I tell you what, you go grab your family and take them to a social little hippy commune where guns aren't allowed. Be "safe". Because look, You aren't going to change anyones mind about this at all. Your screwed as far as that goes. And from the looks of things, you are already living in fear... might as well prepare for a lifetime of it...

It does for sure blow my mind at how many people are afraid of guns.

Fine take away guns, then some whack job will just take a knife and start stabbing a bunch of kids... cause it definitely didn't happen... in china... not at all... dumb logic

OK, I'll go make love to my AR15 since you labeled me as a closet gun lover who only take my AR15 out to show off to my friends when they come over. I'm just glad my gun safe is big enough for me to crawl in as well. Do me a favor, renew your Aderol prescription :biggrin:

 

[Ausm]

First of all, how in the fuck do you know he didn't let everyone know. Were you there?! How do you know thisbguy wasnt paasing out fliers and then decided to purchase a new shirt while doing so?!?! Youdont fucking know that. So your arguement means fuck all.

I like your style!

 

[sourn]

Only 5 years active duty, US Army from 91 - 95. Never saw a weapon slung like that, even when carrying equipment or a pack.

Also, used guns since I was 5, took hunter safety at 12, but far from a gun nut.

I'm calling bullshit.

How else do you sling a weapon over your shoulder are you kidding me. There is a reason soldiers dont sling over the shoulder to make it straight up (or down for that matter). At least no self-respecting soldier would (non ceremonial purpose). Now think hard why that is. And unless you can come up with an answer I'm still calling bullshit. And of course you wouldn't while packing derp derp.

Sure he could have tidy it up a bit, but you're still gonna wind up with an angle. Maybe not to that extreme, but none the less it will still be there.

"Regardless he is still violating a basic rule of gun safety by having his weapon pointed at another individual, besides the damage that barrel could do if bumped against something, or even the damage that occur to the gun. His barrel should either be up or down. If I was in a similar situation I would most definitely complain if the weapon was pointed at myself or any other individual."

You have to be a desk jokey to believe any of that crap. The only point you have is the barrel could knock something over breaking it. You think the weapon is gonna break because it gets bumped into something. I was an armorer and the m-16/m-4 are not that damn weak. Worse thing it gets a little chip which will not hurt the weapon. You don't just bump into something and it shatters or cause enough damage to actually hurt the weapon unless there was improper maintenance done on it by him and the armorer (as he should be inspecting weapons) and it was completely rusted through lol.

 

[cwjerome]

A simple "Hello, how are you doing?" Engage the person in conversation and acknowledge them politely.

Obviously that involves too much common sense, what should really happen is security scream "OH MY GAWD HE'S GOT A GUN!" and bumrush him for conspiracy to commit rape, robbery, and murder (because he's got a gun).

 

[sigurros81]

Obviously that involves too much common sense, what should really happen is security scream "OH MY GAWD HE'S GOT A GUN!" and bumrush him for conspiracy to commit rape, robbery, and murder (because he's got a gun).

Yes, because that's exactly what happened to the JCP dude. People bumrushed him...

 

[cwjerome]

Yes, because that's exactly what happened to the JCP dude. People bumrushed him...

I didn't say that's what happened and wasn't even commenting on the guy in SLC.

You people need to keep up with the side conversations if you're gonna comment on them. My post was in relation to another person's comment about how a security guard is supposed to tell the difference between a person open-carrying and a robber. The answer of course is to wait and see if someone is actually doing things that show intent to rob to see if someone is in fact a robber, but based on Olikan's comments, I was being sarcastic about panicking and going after someone merely because they are carrying a gun.

 

[Gerle]

somebody approaches me with a flier and an ar-15 I'm gonna drop him.

Internet tough guy, have you ever "dropped" someone?

 

[Gerle]

do you carry your weapon around with when you have no intention to use it?

Do you wear your seat belt even when you are not planning on getting in an accident? The thing about intimidation is not even worth answering, besides, how is a concealed weapon intimidating? Most people unfortunately don't get to open carry, if they did, no-one would care anymore.

 

[OrByte]

The White Republican Males in this country are wild and out of control nowadays.

qft

its a dying constituency... hence the rage coming from white republican males

they should put all this anger and frustration into learning how to speak spanish.

 

[JDBaughman]

qft

its a dying constituency... hence the rage coming from white republican males

they should put all this anger and frustration into learning how to speak spanish.

Ok, I personally don't care about right or left wing. Im all about the constitution. Im about my freedoms and liberties. Call it what you will... however, I lean more toward the libertarian side of things. Its funny that you say, "put all this anger into learning how to speak spanish"... which is your poor attempt to light another fire. THAT is another arguement that will be saved for another day.

Disgraceful fuck. (Had to get hat one in there)

 

[irishScott]

The White Republican Males in this country are wild and out of control nowadays.

Yep, good thing it's Democrats and women that have seen the sharpest rise in gun ownership.

 

[OrByte]

Ok, I personally don't care about right or left wing. Im all about the constitution. Im about my freedoms and liberties. Call it what you will... however, I lean more toward the libertarian side of things. Its funny that you say, "put all this anger into learning how to speak spanish"... which is your poor attempt to light another fire. THAT is another arguement that will be saved for another day.

Disgraceful fuck. (Had to get hat one in there)

But there was a smilie!!!

A SMILIE I TELL YOU!!

/sonrisa

 

[irishScott]

so...a guy that uses a slung/holster is for sure not a robber

The odds are far less likely. I'd have an easier time robbing a store with my little .380 than he would with an AR-15 and full-sized handgun.

 

[blankslate]

the police should've arrested the miscreant for disturbing the peace.

Concealed Carry is one thing (watch for the people with untucked shirts) but these shenanigans. Attention seeking whore/slut

 

[TallBill]

the police should've arrested the miscreant for disturbing the peace.

Concealed Carry is one thing (watch for the people with untucked shirts) but these shenanigans. Attention seeking whore/slut

Not only is it legal but the store was OK with it. Lol that your opinion outweighs what is normal in Utah.

 

[BigBarney]

So I should only take precautions if I see a dude walking around with an AR15 slung on his back only when he starts shooting at people. Gotcha...

The point is, unless everyone was walking around with an AR15 in a JC Penny, I'm going to take precautions for my family and myself when I see a random dude like the cracker in the discussion, because as you may have noticed, society has progressed beyond the Wild West mentality, where civilized people don't need to be going shopping for home appliances with an AR15.

To iterate my point, if he announced to everyone in the store that he's just demonstrating his beliefs against the gun control laws, I may have cheered him on and high-fived him. But if myself or anyone else shopping at the time doesn't know, I can't blame the shoppers if they are going "WTF?!".

On a side note, I'm still chuckling at the person that called me a closet gun lover because I keep my AR15 locked up in a gun safe. LOL.

big tough guy throwing out racist words... makes you sound smart!

 

[ivwshane]

Then you need to re-read the conversation I had with Olikan. He was wondering how a security guard is supposed to tell the difference between a person open-carrying and a robber.

You aren't too bright are you? We have laws to limit things that have a negative affect on other people, some of those laws are to prevent a crime from happening in the first place, waiting for someone to commit a crime doesn't prevent it does it? No it doesn't.

Do you wear your seat belt even when you are not planning on getting in an accident? The thing about intimidation is not even worth answering, besides, how is a concealed weapon intimidating? Most people unfortunately don't get to open carry, if they did, no-one would care anymore.

Another well thought out post /s

First off, seat belt use is required in my state when driving. 2nd, studies have shown that people who wear seat belts are less likely to die in a car accident. Thirdly, there are roughly 17,000 car accidents PER DAY. How does that compare to the number of assaults per day (its less than 2000)? Basically what you are saying is that people should carry guns because they are scared and it might protect them? I assume you have a study to prove this?

With regards to your other questions, I made no such claim.

 

[emperus]

lol @ this thread. I can't figure out if some of you guys are just crazy or just talking big on an internet forum. For the sake of this country I hope it's the latter.

Carrying like that in this environment is obscene. And anyone who immediately wouldn't remove their family from that scene isn't thinking with their full capacities.

 

[JDBaughman]

lol @ this thread. I can't figure out if some of you guys are just crazy or just talking big on an internet forum. For the sake of this country I hope it's the latter.

Carrying like that in this environment is obscene. And anyone who immediately wouldn't remove their family from that scene isn't thinking with their full capacities.

Attackibg everyone who doesnt share your view, and then forcing the reader to take your view as fact... that onky works on 3yr olds dude...

 

[irishScott]

Guns are spooky. And spookiness is bad bad bad go away spooky people and spooky guns!

As I said earlier, sums up most anti-gun arguments. They see a danger where there is none, and they freak.

 

[Gerle]

You aren't too bright are you? We have laws to limit things that have a negative affect on other people,




Another well thought out post /s

First off, seat belt use is required in my state when driving. 2nd, studies have shown that people who wear seat belts are less likely to die in a car accident. Thirdly, there are roughly 17,000 car accidents PER DAY. How does that compare to the number of assaults per day (its less than 2000)? Basically what you are saying is that people should carry guns because they are scared and it might protect them? I assume you have a study to prove this?

Take it easy pal, no need for the tone. If you want to talk smarts, you might first want to look at the relationship between affect and effect.
Anyway, a lot off people don't use seatbelts, that just goes to show how stupid people are and how much laws really matter to many of us. And it compares 17 to 2, what are you getting at? That car wrecks are more common? I'm not sure if the robbery or rape victim really cares about statistics.
Yes of course people should carry if that is what they want to do, what does it matter to you? You want a study? I'm not sure what the study should be looking for, let me know and I'm sure we can find something for you.
Why do cops carry guns? How long does it take for the police to respond? Do they have an obligation to protect you, the individual?

 

[ivwshane]

Take it easy pal, no need for the tone. If you want to talk smarts, you might first want to look at the relationship between affect and effect.
Anyway, a lot off people don't use seatbelts, that just goes to show how stupid people are and how much laws really matter to many of us. And it compares 17 to 2, what are you getting at? That car wrecks are more common? I'm not sure if the robbery or rape victim really cares about statistics.
Yes of course people should carry if that is what they want to do, what does it matter to you? You want a study? I'm not sure what the study should be looking for, let me know and I'm sure we can find something for you.
Why do cops carry guns? How long does it take for the police to respond? Do they have an obligation to protect you, the individual?

I don't know what your point is but my point was that people carry because they are scared. You essentially agree with me, thanks

 

[cwjerome]

You aren't too bright are you? We have laws to limit things that have a negative affect on other people, some of those laws are to prevent a crime from happening in the first place, waiting for someone to commit a crime doesn't prevent it does it? No it doesn't.

Thanks for the lulz, you are arguing against something that I'm not... and you say I'm not the bright one? You are either just trying to waste my time or are an idiot. Once again I've never said we don't take precautions to prevent crime. Once again you're quoting me and arguing about something that doesn't even apply to my comments. I will try this one more time just for you, we were talking about a very specific situation:

Dude was wondering how a security guard is supposed to tell the difference between a person open-carrying and a robber.

This is not about prevention, it's about identification. My point is if a security guard wants to determine who a robber might be he needs to observe behaviors that indicate someone is trying to rob the place. Like if you wanted to ID who a drunk driver might be, you should probably look for behaviors that indicate someone is driving drunk. You can't just assume someone with a gun on their hip is going to rob the place or a person drinking in a bar will drive drunk. I wouldn't expect a guard to accost a customer with a gun for being a robber just like I wouldn't expect someone to accost a customer at a bar for being a drunk driver.

As far as preventing robberies (or drunk driving), that's not an issue I have addressed. So stop bothering me with all your prevention garbage since I haven't even commented on that.

 

[irishScott]

I don't know what your point is but my point was that people carry because they are scared. You essentially agree with me, thanks

Some do, some don't. Can't generalize, and even if we were all a bunch of insecure wannabes shitting our pants waiting for the imaginary terrorists to strike (so we could pull out our guns and be the big hero), what's it to you? So long as we're not hurting anyone, who cares?

Right now the numbers clearly show that concealed carry permit holders as a whole are not hurting anyone.