Man sentenced to 13 years for tricking girlfriend into taking abortion pill

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TAMPA — John Andrew Welden apologized, quoted the Bible and asked for mercy from the judge who sentenced him to 13 years and eight months in federal prison for tricking his girlfriend into taking an abortion pill just before she lost her 6-week-old embryo.

The former girlfriend, Remee Jo Lee, urged U.S. District Judge Richard Al Lazzara to show “the same amount of mercy that he showed me during my pregnancy.”

Welden, 29, is diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Those who spoke at his sentencing hearing described him in starkly different terms, as if he is two different people.

Welden’s friends and family talked of a loving, loyal, devout and selfless young man who dreamed of following in his father’s footsteps and one day going to medical school, a person who in his darkest hours looked after his loved ones before himself.

The private security guards hired to make sure he didn’t flee while out on bail wrote letters on his behalf. One addressed the court about the character Welden has shown since his arrest last year and the late-night Bible studies he had with his father.

He did something terrible, his supporters agreed, but they also said it was a single mistake in an otherwise clean life. If shown mercy, they said, Welden still could go contribute to making the world a better place.

“Andrew is a caring person,” Stephen Welden said of his son, who goes by his middle name. “It’s what he does; it’s who he is.”

Lee’s family said they also once had a high opinion of Welden, who came to their house nearly every day for almost a year. But now they see him a something different - a callous, calculating pothead who killed his own child so his other girlfriend wouldn’t find out.

“He had me fooled 100 percent,” said James Edward Lee, the victim’s father.

“This was not a mistake,” said her mother, Rosa Lee. “He made a plan and followed through with it.”

Remee Lee said she, too, used to think Welden was caring and compassionate.

“That fairy tale morphed into my own personal inferno when he decided to murder our child,” she said, weeping so hard she was frequently hard to understand.

Everything about Welden, she told Lazzara, was a lie. He lied when he told her he loved her and would look out for her. He lied when he told her she had an infection and needed to take an antibiotic prescribed by his father.

Welden admitted he forged a prescription for the abortion drug, Cytotec, and then took Lee to his father’s office, where she got an ultrasound. The next day, he tampered with a prescription bottle and scraped identifying marks off the pills to make them look like amoxicillin, a common antibiotic.

He gave Lee the pills and told her to take them. As she drove to work that day, he called to make sure she had taken the drug.

At every point, Assistant U.S. Attorney Stephen Muldrow said, Welden could have changed his mind. But he pushed forward.

Lee took a single pill. Within hours, she was cramping and bleeding. The next morning, she went to the emergency room, where she learned her unborn baby no longer had a heartbeat.

Lee said she bled for a month. “This wasn’t just a case to me,” she told the judge. “This was the death of my child.”

She was going to name the baby Memphis Remington Lee; she planned to announce her pregnancy on Easter, she said. “Instead, I was in the hospital.”

Lee clutched framed pictures of the sonogram images, saying that’s all she has of her child, who she said was 8.3 milligrams long. “I know he wouldn’t want me to be upset because he’s with his father, his heavenly father.”

She read a letter she said Welden sent her during their relationship in which he told her she had changed his life and was the best thing that ever happened to him. “I will be here on any path you take,” the letter concluded. “Love, Muffin.”

Lee glared at Welden when he addressed the court, standing in the courtroom gallery when he walked forward, fixing her gaze on him as he told Lazzara he has “the most humble and remorseful heart” and wanted to express “sincere contrition.”

“I’ve caused everyone a huge amount of emotional pain,” he said. “What I’ve done will stay with me every day for the rest of my life.”

Welden said he knows what he did was “inexcusable, and I deserve punishment.” But he said he is “overwhelmed with the crushing fear today ... that the person I am and hope to be will vanish forever” as the result of spending a long time behind bars. “I’m scared of what awaits me in prison, honestly.”

Lazzara said the case is tragic for both sides.

“I don’t believe Mr. Welden’s an evil person, but he committed an evil act,” the judge said, “and he’s going to pay the consequences.”

Lee, the judge said, had an absolute, constitutional right to decide whether to take that baby to term. “You, Mr. Welden, deprived her of that in the most cowardly of ways I can think.”

The judge imposed the sentence jointly recommended by the prosecution and defense as part of plea negotiations, emphasizing he is “not a rubber stamp.” Lazzara said he’s satisfied the evidence in the case supports the recommended sentence.

In part, the judge said, there’s a “need to deter anyone who might even think committing such an evil act.”

Lazzara also granted a request that he recommend Welden serve his sentence at a prison camp, and he ordered $28,000 in restitution to Lee. Welden also must serve three years of probation after he is released.

The defense asked that Welden be allowed to remain free until federal prison officials determine where he will serve his sentence.

But Lazzara granted a prosecution request that Welden be ordered to turn himself in sooner. Lazzara gave Welden until 9:30 a.m. Wednesday to report to U.S. Marshals.

“There comes a time,” the judge said, “when justice exacts its due, and that time has come for Mr. Welden.”

Tampa Tribune News article link
 

boomerang

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So, abortion is murder?

Oh and somebody should explain to her that milligrams is a unit of measurement of weight.
 
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Viper GTS

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So, abortion is murder?

Oh and somebody should explain to her that milligrams is a unit of measurement of weight.

Really?

On topic though I am fine with 13 years for this. This kind of behavior needs to have serious consequences.

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Mursilis

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The perp sounds like a sociopath. I'm not going to miss him. 13 years sounds pretty good.
 

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This illuminates an absurd contradiction in the pro-choice movement. On the one hand she can kill her fetus because it is a worthless bag of cells but if he does it he gets murder. Is that fetus a person of not? Only if mom says it is?

There are many states in which it is okay to abort because the fetus is worthless shit and yet if you kill a pregnant mom you get double homicide. It is grossly obscene this double standard.
 

Texashiker

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Shows how tilted parental rights are.

Mother can abort the child with no considerations given to what the father wants.

Father aborts the child that everyone is upset.


On topic though I am fine with 13 years for this. This kind of behavior needs to have serious consequences.

How can you justify prison for someone excising their right to decide if they want to be a parent?

Maybe because women are the only ones that get to decide if they want to be a parent?

What about this whole equal rights thing?
 
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Really?

On topic though I am fine with 13 years for this. This kind of behavior needs to have serious consequences.

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i agree. it was murder. 13 years for it don't bother me at all.

This illuminates an absurd contradiction in the pro-choice movement. On the one hand she can kill her fetus because it is a worthless bag of cells but if he does it he gets murder. Is that fetus a person of not? Only if mom says it is?

I agree. BUT it's nto like he did anything legal. what he did was flat out murder. he planned a way to kill the baby and went through with it.

though i do agree with you that the women gets all the choice. She can keep or abort the baby and the father has NO choice. if she decides to keep it and he does not want it he has to pay child support for 18 years (and YES he should pay) but if he wants the child and she does not? to fucking bad.
 
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This illuminates an absurd contradiction in the pro-choice movement. On the one hand she can kill her fetus because it is a worthless bag of cells but if he does it he gets murder. Is that fetus a person of not? Only if mom says it is?

There are many states in which it is okay to abort because the fetus is worthless shit and yet if you kill a pregnant mom you get double homicide. It is grossly obscene this double standard.

That contradiction isn't in the pro-choice movement, but rather in the mess of stupid feel-good laws in religious states.


The pregnant woman = double homicide thing is a bad law, as so is this ruling... the more feel good laws get added on the books, the more logically incoherent positions you get.
 

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What about this whole equal rights thing?

Equal right in what? Did you read the article at all?? It's posted in the OP.

Everything about Welden, she told Lazzara, was a lie. He lied when he told her he loved her and would look out for her. He lied when he told her she had an infection and needed to take an antibiotic prescribed by his father.

Welden admitted he forged a prescription for the abortion drug, Cytotec, and then took Lee to his father’s office, where she got an ultrasound. The next day, he tampered with a prescription bottle and scraped identifying marks off the pills to make them look like amoxicillin, a common antibiotic.

If he took some sort of legal action to get the abortion (i.e. give birth to the baby is life threatening), then sure. But, he did something illegal and lied.

How is what he did (lie and break the law) on par with a woman getting an abortion (which is legal)?

I admit there IS inequality in how the abortion process does not seek approval from both the mother and father - but, this story doesn't have anything to do with that.

This guy is a scum bag, not some poster boy for men's rights.
 

Texashiker

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And, it's OK to break the law and lie to 'excersize' that right?

Before we go any further know I am playing advocatus Dei.

Personally I feel what the guy did was wrong.

This is where advocatus Dei comes into play, should both people have the right to decide if they want to be a parent?

Why should the woman have more rights than a man? What about this whole equal rights movement?

As for breaking the law, Rosa Parks broke the law by sitting in the front of the bus.
 

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Well applying liberal logic: This is the logical consequence of not let men legally "abort" their parental rights/responsibility. If you don't let men get legal abortions they will get illegal ones :cool:
 

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This illuminates an absurd contradiction in the pro-choice movement. On the one hand she can kill her fetus because it is a worthless bag of cells but if he does it he gets murder. Is that fetus a person of not? Only if mom says it is?

There are many states in which it is okay to abort because the fetus is worthless shit and yet if you kill a pregnant mom you get double homicide. It is grossly obscene this double standard.

You bring up a very good point, the laws are a dichotomy and we need to change them to be uniform across the board.

Now I plan to leave this thread before it quickly turns into a flame fest.
 

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This illuminates an absurd contradiction in the pro-choice movement. On the one hand she can kill her fetus because it is a worthless bag of cells but if he does it he gets murder. Is that fetus a person of not? Only if mom says it is?

There are many states in which it is okay to abort because the fetus is worthless shit and yet if you kill a pregnant mom you get double homicide. It is grossly obscene this double standard.

I'm pro-choice, but I agree, this is sounds like a double standard. If abortion is not murder, then he cannot be guilty of murder. More like assault or aggravated assault or something. If he is guilty of murder, then abortion should not be legal.

I support the right of women to choose, so in this case, I would say that while what he did was despicable and evil, it should not be called murder. Its despicable because he violated the integrity of her body and removed from her the ability to decide for herself.
 
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Before we go any further know I am playing advocatus Dei.

Personally I feel what the guy did was wrong.

This is where advocatus Dei comes into play, should both people have the right to decide if they want to be a parent?

Why should the woman have more rights than a man? What about this whole equal rights movement?

As for breaking the law, Rosa Parks broke the law by sitting in the front of the bus.

I agree with you 100%, both mother and father should have the right to decide - no arguments there fella.

And, yes, when it comes to parenthood, the male is the punching bag. I see it with my co-worker. His ex gets away with things that would have him locked up in prison for the rest of his life. No one is arguing that,... so, that isn't the issue.

This guys isn't being tossed in prison because he is a victimized male being dragged through the coals by unfair treatment from our legal system. He tampered with an Rx, tampered with an actual drug and lied to the mother of his own child. And, since we seem to be in deviating a bit here,.. what if she had a terrible reaction and died from the meds he lied to her about being an antibiotic for her infection?

Also, this guy is far from being a trail blazer for men's rights - like Rosa was for African Americans. If he is, then I sure as hell won't follow him. If I don't want a kid, I wear protection - period. No justification to lie, break the law AND risk killing a woman over something I willing participated in; unprotected sex.
 

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He should have been charged with assault... ON THE WOMAN. The fetus should not count for anything at all. How the fuck does shit like this make it through the Supreme Court?
 

Texashiker

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He tampered with an Rx, tampered with an actual drug and lied to the mother of his own child. And, since we seem to be in deviating a bit here,.. what if she had a terrible reaction and died from the meds he lied to her about being an antibiotic for her infection?

This is what happens when men have to resort to backalley abortions.


He should have been charged with assault... ON THE WOMAN. The fetus should not count for anything at all.

After all, it is just a clump of unwanted cells.
 

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I'm pro-choice, but I agree, this is sounds like a double standard. If abortion is not murder, then he cannot be guilty of murder. More like assault or aggravated assault or something. If he is guilty of murder, then abortion should not be legal.

I support the right of women to choose, so in this case, I would say that while what he did was despicable and evil, it should be called murder. Its despicable because he violated the integrity of her body and removed from her the ability to decide for herself.

Is tricking someone into taking a medication a crime generally?
 

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This is what happens when men have to resort to backalley abortions.

Yeah,.. no.

This is what happens when a crazy person does something crazy;
Welden, 29, is diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

I don't know of anyone else who did anything similar to anything like this. There have been cases where men are in court to claim they did not know a woman was pregnant - and in those instances, they were unfairly held responsible for it. THAT has to change, IMO. And I consider situations like this on top of the list of things that need fixing.

Nonetheless, if you want him to be the martyr for men's rights - have at it. I wouldn't paint him as anything other than someone who is sick.