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Harvey

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Originally posted by: scruffypup

You guys might want to quit watching SNL and focus on other things.

It wouldn't make any difference. It's obvious you didn't watch both Palin's interview with Courick and Tina Fey's portrayal on SNL. There was a long segment where Fey simply quoted Palin's replies verbatim. The only difference was, the SNL audience got to laugh at Palin's absurd rambling. :laugh:
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Corbett
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I have no opinion and I may not even watch. I really don't like to write people off nor do I like wishing somebody do poorly. It's possible she could be President. My feeling is that she isn't qualified and how she does in the debate is irrelevant. She may be great, but she's a poor choice, in my opinion, for the job. Also, her running mate is the poor choice for his job but at least he's somewhat seasoned.

Obama isn't qualified either.

seemed pretty qualified last friday.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: QED
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Corbett

Obama isn't qualified either.

You couldn't prove that with a year of free Google searches. Oh... wait a minute... Google searches ARE free. Go ahead. Prove your absurd partisan crap, or slink back under your bridge. :laugh:

Why don't you ask the Clintons? Or Biden?


ABC News: "Do you believe Barack Obama is ready to be President?"
Bill Clinton: "You can argue that nobody is ready to be President."

Aug 4, 2008... but how is that relevant? The same would apply to anyone who has not yet been elected President.

Hillary Clinton: "I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

March 3, 2008


George Stephanopolous: "You were asked is he [Barack Obama] ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."
Joe Biden: "I think I stand by the statement."

August 19, 2007

Joe Biden (on the Diane Rehm Show): "the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake."

August 7, 2007

Beautiful bullshit. Why don't you put those quotes in context, when Hillary and Joe Biden were running against Obama in the Democratic primaries?

Better yet, you could find their current quotes, especially the ones where they explain exactly why you're blowing smoke, now. :roll:
 

ohnoes

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The media and people like the OP have set Palin up for victory on Thursday.

All she has to do is not sound like an idiot and she will have exceeded expectations.

Also, the questions should be more broad based than some of the ones being asked by the media. There won't be the specific 'give me a time in the last 26 years that McCain worked to increase regulation of the financial markets not including bills x,y and z.'
Nor will there be questions about the Bush doctrine which has changed 4 times in the past 7 years.

BTW there are videos of the Alaska debate on the net and she did fine. They are a little boring though.

Yea, I think Palin's going to do much better in the debate, especially with the expectations set this low.
 

ohnoes

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Skoorb, we can find a dozen different examples of Biden saying stupid stuff beyond the wheelchair mistake.
Yes, so people should use them instead of being disingenuous and deceitful.
And it is not disingenuous to focus on two answers Palin gave in two interviews and frame her entire persona around them?

The whole Palin narrative is based on disingenuous and deceitful stories.

The narrative around Palin is that she doesn't know what she's talking about & is woefully lacking in essential foreign policy/economic knowledge. There's been no evidence to the contrary, so how is that narrative 'deceitful'?
 

OrByte

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SHe is making the conservative radio rounds today.

She is using the term "joe-sixpack" to describe herself.

and that its about time "joe-sixpack" is represented by the Vice Presidency.

:roll:

edit: she also implied that Katie Couric behaved unethically in her interviews with Palin.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: OrByte
SHe is making the conservative radio rounds today.

She is using the term "joe-sixpack" to describe herself.

and that its about time "joe-sixpack" is represented by the Vice Presidency.

:roll:

edit: she also implied that Katie Couric behaved unethically in her interviews with Palin.
Couric, one tough customer:roll:

 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: QED
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Corbett

Obama isn't qualified either.

You couldn't prove that with a year of free Google searches. Oh... wait a minute... Google searches ARE free. Go ahead. Prove your absurd partisan crap, or slink back under your bridge. :laugh:

Why don't you ask the Clintons? Or Biden?


ABC News: "Do you believe Barack Obama is ready to be President?"
Bill Clinton: "You can argue that nobody is ready to be President."


Hillary Clinton: "I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."


George Stephanopolous: "You were asked is he [Barack Obama] ready. You said 'I think he can be ready, but right now I don't believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training."
Joe Biden: "I think I stand by the statement."

Joe Biden (on the Diane Rehm Show): "the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake."

And yet the 'unqualified' guy stood toe to toe with the 'experienced' candidate on his best issue and by most people's opinion came out on top. This is what we've been saying from the beginning. The experience thing has always been ridiculous (as I've always said). It's about ability to do the job. That's what's different about Obama and Palin. Neither one is very experienced, but Obama has the ability to do the job, to think on his feet, and to adapt to new situations. Palin obviously....obviously does not. Obama handled a debate with a hostile 'expert' in foreign policy all by himself for 90 minutes. Palin couldn't even handle Katie Couric.

Obama in some ways is probably a lot like a friend of mine who always irritates me. She's a genius. Even if I'm better than her at something, if you give her an hour or two she's already become better than me. I imagine that's what McCain is wondering right now. He's been doing this crap his whole life and some new guy just showed up and took him to school. That's got to burn.
 

Mani

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I believe Palin will actually do well, in a relative sense. Expectations are so incredibly low that she will, like Bush in 2000 and 2004 put on an adequate performance that will be seen as a win. Best I can see Biden doing is a tie, which should be fine to maintain momentum.
 

Eeezee

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I think the chances of a nervous breakdown by Palin are only slightly less than the chances of Biden calling her a dumb bitch :p

She's being trained, so at least she'll be able to stand on stage and take it, but she will be in no position to really debate. It will be a slaughter, but Palin seems strong enough emotionally to at least make it through to the end.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: SecPro
She's reminds me more and more of how Jesse Ventura got elected. Right place, right time saying the right anti-establishment mantra to a group of people who want to hear it. Throw in a little "star power" and you have a "perfect storm".

That's how Jesse got elected govenor and I think that's probably what happened in Alaska.

Obviously on the national stage that perfect storm rarely exists.

Thursday's debate is probably going to be the most watched in history. It appears it is Biden's to lose. He has to let her trip herself up, emphasize the point, gently, and move on. If it appears he's being mean to her or he has a "Jane, you ignorant slut" moment (for those of us who remember when SNL was funny) it may backfire on him. She's going to attack him. He has to ignore it.

Palin needs to be nearly perfect. She can't appear to be scripted. She can't hesitate and she has to be able to come off the talking points intelligently. If she can it will be the greatest debate prep ever accomplished.

Unless she's been sand bagging us. :evil:

It has all the makings of a giant train wreck.

Let's not forget, Sarah Palin was elected governor because the former governor was completely corrupt, and she promised to clean up the position. Thus, little skill was required to actually win; all that was needed was someone different promising to not accept bribes and to follow the letter of the law.

Of course, she ended up being just as corrupt, but I doubt that will be brought up at the debate.
 

nageov3t

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expectations for Palin are so low, if she doesn't piss her pants on stage she'll be awarded a medal of freedom and given her own daytime talk show.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Skoorb, we can find a dozen different examples of Biden saying stupid stuff beyond the wheelchair mistake.

All it takes is one screw up and that could be the talk of the debate. Although I highly doubt we will see anything meaningful.

We should admit that the candidates are so prepared for these debates that the chances of either of them really screwing up are slim to none.

Also, look at the debates of the last 30 years and you will see that it is not general fuck ups that we talk about afterwards, but it is little tiny things that become the topic of conversation.
Bush 41 looking at his watch, Al Gore's heavy sighs, Dukakis not answering the question about his wife being raped with enough emotion or Reagan's brilliant one liners "there you go again" or his "I want you to know that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience."

Very well - you are now tasked with finding 12 incredibly stupid things that Biden has said beyond the wheelchair mistake. These are the terms that you have set.

Go do it and come back with your results, or risk being called out for partisan bullshit. I know almost nothing about Biden, so I'll happily eat my words if you succeed. I don't expect you will; it's easy to detect Republican bullshit slinging like yours.
 

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Originally posted by: Balt
Originally posted by: scruffypup
I think you are all underestimating her. She will be fine, Biden has more experience spewing BS and might come off better to the general public, but Palin willhold her own without a doubt.

You guys might want to quit watching SNL and focus on other things.

Have you seen her actual interviews? They are actually more ridiculous than the SNL skit at this point.

Actually, the SNL skit may have been the first time ever where the entire skit quoted the person being parodied.

i.e. in case you didn't know, SNL was more of a re-broadcast with actors rather than fiction.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Skoorb, we can find a dozen different examples of Biden saying stupid stuff beyond the wheelchair mistake.
Yes, so people should use them instead of being disingenuous and deceitful.
And it is not disingenuous to focus on two answers Palin gave in two interviews and frame her entire persona around them?

The whole Palin narrative is based on disingenuous and deceitful stories.

Because a gaffe is as serious as outright incompetence... :roll:

This is a low one even for you, PJ. There is nothing 'disingenuous and deceitful' about the videos.

This is important to keep in mind.

Biden asked a wheelchaired man to get up, realized his mistake, and joked about it. This has absolutely nothing to do with the VP seat.

Sarah Palin lacks the knowledge required to be a VP, as evidenced by her interviews. The only major US court case she can remember is Roe v Wade. It doesn't get much more incompetent than this. I'd at least give her credit for remembering the Scopes trial, since she is against evolution.

The Republicans are trying to play off Palin's gaffes as being similar to Biden's, and they're just wrong.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: OrByte

She is using the term "joe-sixpack" to describe herself.

and that its about time "joe-sixpack" is represented by the Vice Presidency.

:roll:

edit: she also implied that Katie Couric behaved unethically in her interviews with Palin.

So her answer to every problem she'd encounter as VP is to kick back and chug a six pack? :Q

Maybe that explains her prep work and perforance on the Couric interview. :laugh:
 

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Originally posted by: Mani
I believe Palin will actually do well, in a relative sense. Expectations are so incredibly low that she will, like Bush in 2000 and 2004 put on an adequate performance that will be seen as a win. Best I can see Biden doing is a tie, which should be fine to maintain momentum.

So do I , after all she's won 2 elections as mayor and beat the incumbent to become governor. And given the format the McCain Palin camp negotiated it more of a speech type deal rater than a true debate. Still, it'll be interesting to hear her responses in the 30 second rebuttals.

 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Go do it and come back with your results, or risk being called out for partisan bullshit.

Psssst, that's a little like threatening Geraldo Rivera now with exposing him as less than a serious journalist.
 

Starbuck1975

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She'll just be rehashing talking points. The debate won't be like the presidential debate, the format will be simplified for her to look good. It will be almost impossible for her to fail.
The first Presidential debate was largely a rehashing of talking points...neither Obama nor McCain demonstrated an ability to project vision beyond their respective scripts.

I find it interesting that Obama and Biden are attempting to RAISE expectations on Palin's skills as a debater.

The VP format actually plays to Palin and not Biden...Biden is long winded, and often struggles to articulate concise answers to complex questions...I actually see Palin doing quite well in the rebuttals, even if she does provide scripted answers.


Best Case Scenario for Biden: He demonstrates a higher level of comfort and mastery over the responses.
Worst Case Scenario for Biden: The clock ticks down on Biden in his responses, and he spends his rebuttals clarifying his previous statements.

Best Case Scenario for Palin: She comes out fighting, catches Biden off guard and puts him on the defensive.
Worst Case Scenario for Palin: She has a deer in the headlights moment, crashes and burns.
 

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Originally posted by: SecPro
She's reminds me more and more of how Jesse Ventura got elected. Right place, right time saying the right anti-establishment mantra to a group of people who want to hear it. Throw in a little "star power" and you have a "perfect storm".

Last I check Barrackstar was saying the right thing, "Change we can believe in" at the right place and right time.

Doesn't he snort coke off of hoes legs?

 
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Best thing for Sarah is to return to Alaska. She's a good woman with an 85% approval rating. She is much too good for a totally biased MSM, the snobbery in Washington, and the cocaine snorters of SNL. She's actually has an interest in doing service for people, sans 85% approval rating. Washington doesn't deserve a woman of this quality. Palin out of the 4 of them brings the best hope for real change.

I couldn't do the job she does and i know for a fact that 100% of you donut eating AT'ers that have nothing but time to post farts in the wind can't manage your way out of a paper bag.

:laugh
 

SigArms08a

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I have no opinion and I may not even watch. I really don't like to write people off nor do I like wishing somebody do poorly. It's possible she could be President. My feeling is that she isn't qualified and how she does in the debate is irrelevant. She may be great, but she's a poor choice, in my opinion, for the job. Also, her running mate is the poor choice for his job but at least he's somewhat seasoned.

Obama isn't qualified either.

Obama was deemed qualified over Hillary Clinton by the Democratic party. Palin was a near party unknown who was chosen by one guy. Biden is a well known well vetted national party leader. Most people never heard of Palin.

I was referring to qualified by objective measures, not your biased opinion.

Seems a tad biased, Mr. Moonbeam: McCain is somewhat seasoned while Biden is a well vetted national party leader. On the brighter side, though, Moonbeam typically has some of the most interesting posts within these forums!!