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werepossum

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Mommy, why is Santa in jail?
:D +1

My Dad owned a restoration & body shop while I was growing up before he retired. He took a Ford Pinto, tossed a v8 in it and some other bits and bobs. Let me tell you...that car was fast. It was a bad ass ride.

I owned a Mercury Bobcat at that time and wanted to do the v8 swap as well and my Dad wouldn't let me. I was a bit of a speed freak and he figured I'd wrap it around a tree.

Pinto's can be bad ass if done right. This was back in the mid 80's if I remember correctly.
Bobcats looked better as V8s than did Pintos - that hood just looked right on a hot rod. And a lot of the V8 mounts from the Mustang II could be used.

Very short, small cars which are very powerful are also very dangerous, as anyone old enough to remember the fuel altered class can attest.
 

lxskllr

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Well you certainly aren't going to do burnouts in an UN-modified Pinto. And as Iron Woode points out, they are cheap and easily modified. They make great cheap hot rods. Assuming fiery death isn't one of your buttons, anyway.

You could spin the tires in the v6 pinto. I had a 76 coupe. It wasn't a bad car. Fairly fast, but not built for handling. It was dying to throw itself off the road. I couldn't imagine trying to handle a v8 in it, unless you're just drag racing at the track.
 

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Wait...he looks like one of those chickmunk guys on GRIMM.
 

werepossum

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You could spin the tires in the v6 pinto. I had a 76 coupe. It wasn't a bad car. Fairly fast, but not built for handling. It was dying to throw itself off the road. I couldn't imagine trying to handle a v8 in it, unless you're just drag racing at the track.
Yep. I've driven a few. Mostly they go straight, especially since most people just slapped on a set of slapper bars and called it a deal.

My best friend's brother decided to open a body shop when we were in our teens. He picked a totaled Pinto as his masterwork. We tried to get him to convert it to V8, but he insisted on keeping it box stock. He did straighten it out and made it look better than new, but a better than new looking used Pinto was still pretty much worthless, especially without a clean license.

Later my friend owned a 302 Datsun pickup and a '62 390 Falcon. The Falcon was sweet, looked like a factory installation until you had to drop the driveshaft, remove all the motor mounts, and hoist up the engine to change plugs. The Datson however was the world's worst conversion; it wasn't only scary fast, it was just plain scary. To fit the 302 they replaced the coil-over springs with blocks of wood, with all-thread replacing the shock absorber. And the 302 being a long engine, it protruded through where the grill would be, so instead of a grill there was a bare radiator spray-painted green and almost flush with the front of the bumper. However, it did not kill anyone, mostly because my friend had enough sense to not do burn-outs facing immovable objects. Or inhabited objects.

Almost forty years later I'm still kicking myself for allowing my buddies to talk me into buying a gutted '57 Chevy instead of a Karman Ghia mounted on a cut-down V8 Camaro unibody subframe. But hey, least I didn't kill my father. Gotta keep things in perspective.
 

werepossum

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Still, convicting of "Vehicular Homicide" is essentially convicting of "Murder by Car." Plenty of negligent vehicle accidents resulting in fatalities are prosecuted as "Manslaughter," but this one wasn't.
Seems a reasonable charge though, all considered.

Yeah, the short cars had a tendency to break loose and go sideways.
I have fond memories of those at Atlanta going through the traps sideways, on the back tires, even in the wrong lane. Very exciting, but I'm glad they were banned.
 

Iron Woode

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Bobcats looked better as V8s than did Pintos - that hood just looked right on a hot rod. And a lot of the V8 mounts from the Mustang II could be used.

Very short, small cars which are very powerful are also very dangerous, as anyone old enough to remember the fuel altered class can attest.
reminds me of the old Plymouth Arrow V8 conversions. good God that was a bad idea.

same with the Vega/Monza V8 conversions. sooner or later someone was going to get hurt.
 

CZroe

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I wonder if this had something to do with what he was charged with:

http://fox8.com/2016/07/01/strongsv...iving-crash-that-killed-father-family-friend/

Does it really apply to private property though? I know that track bikes and track cars aren't subject to speed limits or any of the laws required to be street-legal and it seems that operation of private property on private property should be outside of that law's jurisdiction.

Just sayin'

I'm not making excuses for the guy's DUI (I've never had a sip in my life). It just doesn't seem to fit with my understanding of the law.
 

BUTCH1

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I clicked OP's link and read this,
"He lost control of the Pinto, which tore across the driveway and struck his father, Delmar Naylor, and his father's best friend, Thomas Beaune, who had been working on the car."

No mention of it entering the house, a Pinto would be a difficult vehicle to plow through a wall and still be intact enough to keep going and mow down 2 people sitting inside.
 

CZroe

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I clicked OP's link and read this,

"He lost control of the Pinto, which tore across the driveway and struck his father, Delmar Naylor, and his father's best friend, Thomas Beaune, who had been working on the car."



No mention of it entering the house, a Pinto would be a difficult vehicle to plow through a wall and still be intact enough to keep going and mow down 2 people sitting inside.
???
I don't think anyone here had or gave the impression that it happened anywhere other than outdoors.

Who are you correcting?
 
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MongGrel

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reminds me of the old Plymouth Arrow V8 conversions. good God that was a bad idea.

I was going to mention Plymouth Arrow's myself, Glidden used those after the Pinto.

It was what came to mind to begin with.

Almost forty years later I'm still kicking myself for allowing my buddies to talk me into buying a gutted '57 Chevy instead of a Karman Ghia mounted on a cut-down V8 Camaro unibody subframe. But hey, least I didn't kill my father. Gotta keep things in perspective.

When I was stationed in Hawaii 80-84 bug outs were a big thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they still are not.

A guy had a pretty tricked out Karman Ghia with twin turbos on it in a shop next to a taco place the wife and I used to hit a lot in Kailua. That was a pretty serious VW, just for the air cooled engine in it :cool:
 
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AdamK47

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Burnouts at 55 is definitely an issue.

Ohio is not quite as South as I would have expected this story to be though. Although it does boarder Kentucky..

I see plenty of old guys doing burnouts on test and tune nights.
 

BUTCH1

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???
I don't think anyone here had or gave the impression that it happened anywhere other than outdoors.

Who are you correcting?

From OP's post,
"He lost control of the Pinto, which tore across the driveway and into the house where his father, Delmar Naylor, and his father's best friend, Thomas Beaune, were relaxing."
 

CZroe

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From OP's post,

"He lost control of the Pinto, which tore across the driveway and into the house where his father, Delmar Naylor, and his father's best friend, Thomas Beaune, were relaxing."

His post is nothing more than a link and a quote in Tapatalk.
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Presumably, the quote comes from the link.
 
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lxskllr

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That motor could barely power a go-kart. The tires spun because they belonged on a bicycle and there was no weight on the back end.

It was a 2.8l v6, and had a top speed of 125mph. I think that's a bit more than a gokart. Your point about the light rear's accurate though.
 

Dude111

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Why not? If he claimed affluenza, he could have killed four people and just get probation.
Well the universe wont let him off that easily!!
 

shortylickens

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It was a 2.8l v6, and had a top speed of 125mph. I think that's a bit more than a gokart. Your point about the light rear's accurate though.

My dad always put a couple of sandbags in the trunk. To this day I have no idea if it helped or not.
 

alcoholbob

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Yeah well Tom Cruise is a millionaire Hollywood actor that's been linked to every hair restoration program you can think of. Most people in Hollywood are basically dolled up plastic surgery experiments. The question is what does his 53 year old working class cousin in Idaho look like ;)
 

shortylickens

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Yeah well Tom Cruise is a millionaire Hollywood actor that's been linked to every hair restoration program you can think of. Most people in Hollywood are basically dolled up plastic surgery experiments. The question is what does his 53 year old working class cousin in Idaho look like ;)



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