Man jailed for putting puppy in warm oven

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: TerryMathews
I'm not sure why this is illegal. Hear me out.

People cook crab and lobster by dropping it in boiling water while it's still alive. It seems to me that the fact that it's easier to relate to the suffering of a puppy instead of a crab or lobster is the main reason why this person was punished and that's not a very good legal basis. Just because something is cute and cuddly doesn't imbue it with extra rights.

Yeah, because putting the puppy in a 200 degree F oven for five minutes gave it the same quick death that placing a lobster in boiling water gives. Oh wait, no it didn't. :disgust:

the difference is he did it to hurt it not to eat it. now if he dropped the puppy in boiling water until it was dead and cooked, then broke off its paws and dipped in butter and ate it, then it would be ok.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Citrix
how did he damage the eye of a dog with a leaf blowser? did he put the nozzle right up to the dog and turn it on? this guy is sick.

some leaf blowers can deliver a good amount of wind...some "eye out" dogs just need a good shake to loose one of their eyes (can be pushed back in if no further trauma is experenced usually).

You next post about dipping a puppy in boiling water...then broke off his paws to dip in butter I hope was a joke.

 

[grrl]

>>Vincent, 36, pleaded guilty September 18 to one count of misdemeanor aggravated animal cruelty for putting the dog in an oven for five minutes on May 25 during a fight with his wife, Rhonda.

I dated a Rhonda once, and if his wife is anything like her I can understand his (hopefully) temporary insanity.

 

[eits]

hot dog

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
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SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- A man who pleaded guilty to putting his wife's puppy in a 200-degree oven, crippling it, was sentenced Monday to six months in jail.

Third District Judge William Barrett ordered Marc Christopher Vincent, 36, to serve six months in jail without the chance of early release. He must also pay a $500 fine and $986 in veterinary bills for the dog.

Vincent, 36, pleaded guilty September 18 to one count of misdemeanor aggravated animal cruelty for putting the dog in an oven for five minutes on May 25 during a fight with his wife, Rhonda. She has since filed for divorce.

The black Chihuahua mix named Henry suffered permanent damage to its front paws and now limps.

As part of the plea agreement, a second charge of animal cruelty was dropped. Prosecutors had accused Vincent of turning a leaf blower on the dog in a separate incident, damaging the dog's eye so badly it had to be removed.

Vincent was ordered to serve two years' probation after his jail sentence, seek anger management therapy, have no contact with his wife or any animals, and get a mental health evaluation.

Salt Lake County prosecutor Elizabeth Henry said Utah is one of nine states that has only misdemeanor punishment for animal cruelty.

I thought this was just down right cruel and he should have gotten more. There should have been no plea bargain for this a$$hole.

While I agree with your sentiment, I see the necessity to plea bargain. I would agree with the course of action taken, however.

 

[Canai]

They should neuter that guy.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: altonb1

To everyone else: while I do not agree with this guy's choices, saying he should get "put in a hot oven" or a decade of prison is a little extreme. (And for the record, I think advocating placing him in a hot over is EXTREMELY offensive. Anyone remember the Holocaust?)

Would it be tasteless of me to link to the lollercaust gif because of this thread?


Oh yea, and for the record, I pretty much despise Chihuahahwhatevers, but putting a dog in an oven to torture it is just deplorable. As some others have said, serial killers usually start small (insects and squirrels) and move up into domestic animals before finally graduating to humans.

What if we hadn't heard the story and he hadn't gotten arrested for this? Maybe then the first story we heard would be "Man kills and dismembers wife and buries her body in backyard"?

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: TerryMathews
I'm not sure why this is illegal. Hear me out.

People cook crab and lobster by dropping it in boiling water while it's still alive. It seems to me that the fact that it's easier to relate to the suffering of a puppy instead of a crab or lobster is the main reason why this person was punished and that's not a very good legal basis. Just because something is cute and cuddly doesn't imbue it with extra rights.

Yeah, because putting the puppy in a 200 degree F oven for five minutes gave it the same quick death that placing a lobster in boiling water gives. Oh wait, no it didn't. :disgust:

My point was that it wasn't a quick death. Lobsters flop around in the water for several minutes before they stop moving, presumably they are dead at that point but they could be paralyzed and still alive.

I'm not saying that one excuses the other, I don't prepare lobster or crab in that fashion. My point was that people do and it certainly isn't illegal. I guess I was trying to point out that we are cruel to animals every day and dogs (and cats) shouldn't get special treatment.

Several minutes? How long do they boil the lobster?

There is a pretty big different from a lobster and even a higher level bird or most mammals.

You boil a one pound lobster for only five minutes. They die within seconds of hitting the water.

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

Dunno if it's true or not, but I heard that lobsters don't even feel the pain of being boiled. They just sit there fat, dumb, and happy.

So it might not even be an issue in the first place!

But the puppy baker needs to drop dead.

 

[Krazy4Real]

I'm going to get a hot dog for lunch today in honor of this thread.

 

[AlienCraft]

I would hope that animal abusers get it worse than pedophiles in jail.
If I were in they sure as hell would.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Krazy4Real
I'm going to get a hot dog for lunch today in honor of this thread.

Why to picture the meat you don't have?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: altonb1

To everyone else: while I do not agree with this guy's choices, saying he should get "put in a hot oven" or a decade of prison is a little extreme. (And for the record, I think advocating placing him in a hot over is EXTREMELY offensive. Anyone remember the Holocaust?)

Would it be tasteless of me to link to the lollercaust gif because of this thread?


Oh yea, and for the record, I pretty much despise Chihuahahwhatevers, but putting a dog in an oven to torture it is just deplorable. As some others have said, serial killers usually start small (insects and squirrels) and move up into domestic animals before finally graduating to humans.

What if we hadn't heard the story and he hadn't gotten arrested for this? Maybe then the first story we heard would be "Man kills and dismembers wife and buries her body in backyard"?

The guy hasn't attempted to murder anyone/thing though...however; the analogy would still be correct only it's usually seen in kids that hurt animals then grow up to beat their loved ones.

Either way though the guy doesn't belong around society.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Just stick him in an oven on 200 degrees for 5 minutes. And make him pay for the dogs medical bills.
Problem solved.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
I would hope that animal abusers get it worse than pedophiles in jail.
If I were in they sure as hell would.

My God do I hope you're joking.

 

[batmang]

i hope he gets mauled by pit bulls.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Citrix
how did he damage the eye of a dog with a leaf blowser? did he put the nozzle right up to the dog and turn it on? this guy is sick.

some leaf blowers can deliver a good amount of wind...some "eye out" dogs just need a good shake to loose one of their eyes (can be pushed back in if no further trauma is experenced usually).

You next post about dipping a puppy in boiling water...then broke off his paws to dip in butter I hope was a joke.

of course it was.

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: randay

The black Chihuahua mix named Henry suffered permanent damage to its front paws and now limps.

I could make a joke... must... resist....

<joke in very poor taste>
Oven, was it a jewish dog?
</joke in very poor taste>

People who actually do stuff like this to animals should just be put on a isolated part of the planet. Seriously, how can anyone even come up with something like that? That kind of torture takes planning... which is what makes it so scary.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: randay

The black Chihuahua mix named Henry suffered permanent damage to its front paws and now limps.

I could make a joke... must... resist....

 

[Regs]

I don't think people should be jailed for animal cruelty. Though I do think they need a psychiatric evaluation or locked in a mental institute. People like that have a tendency to be a real threat to society. What's the use of sending them to prison for a few months or years and then have them coming out serial killers doing that to people?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Regs
I don't think people should be jailed for animal cruelty. Though I do think they need a psychiatric evaluation or locked in a mental institute. People like that have a tendency to be a real threat to society. What's the use of sending them to prison for a few months or years and then have them coming out serial killers doing that to people?

Only in the US does this happen. Who gives a damn if you kill a dog in China?

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: Regs
I don't think people should be jailed for animal cruelty. Though I do think they need a psychiatric evaluation or locked in a mental institute. People like that have a tendency to be a real threat to society. What's the use of sending them to prison for a few months or years and then have them coming out serial killers doing that to people?

I'd have to agree. I can truthfully only see the point of punishing a human for hurting an animal when the crime committed is of direct relevance to later transference of aggression to human victims.

 

[postmortemIA]

As animals are driven by instinct, not by reason, I think the punishment exceeds the crime. Not that I don't condone animal abuse; the law is not being consistent. Although mammals are sentient for a reason; there's no reason why some human life is less worthy than animal's life. For example: war, genocide, collateral damage, etc.

 

[RaiderJ]

Originally posted by: postmortemIA
As animals are driven by instinct, not by reason, I think the punishment exceeds the crime. Not that I don't condone animal abuse; the law is not being consistent. Although mammals are sentient for a reason; there's no reason why some human life is less worthy than animal's life. For example: war, genocide, collateral damage, etc.

I think the factor in this case is the guy tortured the animal, which means he thought about it beforehand.

Just like why there is murder and manslaughter.

 

[DrPizza]

Hmmmm....

A) he pled guilty to a plea bargain... I have no doubt that he was guilty of animal cruelty. However, I'm not certain that I believe the degree of cruelness. Did someone have a stopwatch? Why did the wife allow the dog to stay in there for 5 straight minutes? Etc.

I still agree that the guy is a scum bag, but, I think we're hearing more of the wife's side of the story, which would most likely include some exaggeration of the severity of cruelty. (But, with undeniable evidence of some cruelty, he had to accept the plea bargain or else be found guilty and possibly face a longer penalty.)


Part 2: What an idiotic retarded sentence!!!

Vincent was ordered to serve two years' probation after his jail sentence, seek anger management therapy, have no contact with his wife or any animals, and get a mental health evaluation.

How tf do you not have contact with any animals?! "Oh no! A mosquito landed on my forearm! That just violated my parole; I'm going back to FPMITAP" Is he allowed to cook chicken breasts for dinner, but forbidden from having a whole chicken on a rotisserie?