Man got tired of cats on lawn, captures them, dumps them 25 miles away

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OS

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Originally posted by: Raduque
Originally posted by: OS

Obviously I'd prefer not to have to do so, but if your cat is going to cause hundreds of dollars of damage to the finish of my property, on my property, and the owner is nowhere to be found, seriously.

So are you going to bitch at the sun for causing thousands of dollars of damage when it fades your paint?


i don't even know if i should grace this stupid comparison with a response.

sun damage is slow, it takes years. A cat walking on a car can scratch it right away.

if you still actually believe that, maybe you should kill yourself, cause you are gonna die eventually anyways.

 

SlickSnake

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WOW.

All I can say is there is a lot of misinformed cat haters out there. But I guess it would also be stupid to expect a cat hater to even begin to understand cat behavior in the first place.

A good example of this so-called yard destruction these cats are supposedly doing requires a little clarification. My grand parents used to go on and on about all the destruction that the occasional stray cat was supposedly doing to their yard and garden. On my frequent visits there, I saw the holes that were dug around the place, and the plants dug up, but I could not imagine it was cats doing the digging. All the feral and stray cats I had observed in the past simply did not go around digging up plants for sport. Then one day I discovered a dead mole on the porch, which was killed I presume by a cat. I pointed this fact out to the grandparents during their continued cat tirades which fell on deaf ears. Then on another trip to their house, I discovered a large box turtle that had dug under one of the plants roots. Once again, the so-called cat destruction was being caused by a turtle, not a cat. Then they discovered there was not one turtle in the backyard, but many turtles in the backyard. It seemed the first turtle was preggars. Suddenly, it was let's love all the stray turtles in the backyard, including feeding them, and naming some of them. The digging in the yard reached epic amounts by this time, but because it was 20 or so turtles doing it, it was suddenly cute and acceptable. And the mindless cat hating they exhibited for YEARS gradually stopped, when it was clear what was actually digging up the yard and gardens. And I was clearly vindicated that it was NOT the occasional cat doing all the damage. But how many years did it take them to realize this and change their minds? Maybe 25 or more?

Another home I lived in had a LOT of wildlife around it, and oddly enough, it was in the center of a huge city area. We lived near a gigantic cement drainage culvert that had some dense brush along the sides of it, behind a fence. We had numerous raccoons (entire families of them) which did a LOT of structure damages, such as ripping screens up, clawing the woodwork and knocking over potted plants. They were even able to open items kept on the back porch, including a few paint cans that were not tightly sealed and they left painted my excellent compatriot prints all over EVERYTHING proving what they were actually damaging. Once again, it was not the stray cats doing any of it, unlike what all the neighbors went on and on about all the stray cats doing all this damage to their property. I would go out back, at night, and frequently see possums digging up the yard and garden, along with armadillos searching for roots and grubs. But all the dense cat hating neighbors could not begin to be persuaded, unless they happened to personally see this happening over and over again over the course of YEARS.

What the heck is wrong with all these appallingly blind and misinformed cat haters? Just because your parents hate cats for no good and logical reason, that is good enough for you, too? Did you just convieniently forget in all your mindless cat hate about the thousands of other types of wildlife out there damaging your yards and houses? Those cats you despise so much are actually doing you a FAVOR by reducing the numbers of these destructive animals, like rodents, that would otherwise be eating holes in your houses and electrical wiring.

I had raccoons clawing up the insulation underneath the hood of my brand new truck and yanking out wires and chewing on them! I saw them running out from under my truck countless times! They cats would fight with them, on occasion, and run them off! Yea, the cats might piss on my tires a few times, but it would wash off. The damage to the trucks engine compartment was not so easily fixed with a water hose. The raccoons would even chew on my hoses and move them around my yard! I feel sure some brain dead cat hater who never ventured out at night to observe the wildlife would be happy to blame all this wanton destruction on their neighbors stray cats!

Also a lot of the time when the cats would be howling at night, and annoying the cat hating neighbors, guess what? Most of the time when I went out to see what the racket was, they were howling and hissing at all the raccoons and possums trying to destroy the house and yard! Meanwhile, the neighbors DUMB dogs would just lie there SLEEPING while the same wildlife ate the food out of all their dog dishes! Great property protectors there, Fido! WAY TO GO!

But getting back on track with a little cat behavior for a moment here. Some pets cats simply cannot be contained continuously in a house. They will go completely crazy in a house. I had cats before that were like the pit bulls of cats. Some domesticated cats get this gene that just makes them hardly tamable, except to their owners. And these super cats are usually extremely strong, too. If you ever pet one, all you can feel is harden muscles, like some Olympic athlete on steroids. Even spaying or neutering does almost nothing to subdue these cats. Maybe these are those cats all you die hard cat haters out there can justify a little cat hate on. If you ever intentionally cross one, you will surely be very sorry indeed you ever mistreated a cat, especially when it attaches itself to your head, which these mutant cats are prone to do.

But there are also other cats, which are not mutants, which simply have to go outside periodically to relieve some inner cat calling to wander. I have a some what feral male and female cat (who have been fixed) who will suddenly and quickly sneak out of the house while carrying in groceries, or if someone knocks at the door. I am simply not fast enough to stop them from doing this. And they literally will howl and bounce off the walls inside to be let out at times. I do not willingly let them out, and they will return when they want to, not when I want them inside. Usually if it is cold or rains or when hungry they will return. Yea, I also get upset when they get out, but it is clearly a choice the cat is making, and not me.

And where do my various pet cats I had in my life come from? All from careless owners who move away, or from neighbors who die or get moved into nursing homes and the families just leave the poor cats outside to rot and die. I have placed maybe 20 cats or so in my life, that I have personally fixed, tamed and trained enough to go to a good home. Our animal control agency who works in my small rural community puts the vast majority of cats it receives or traps to sleep, like 99% of them. And if you trap a feral cat or cats, more feral cats will move into that area almost immediately, which is a cats natural inclination to do, whether feral or a pet cat just occasionally wandering around. So simply removing unwanted cats will not fix the cat population problems, ever. Which is why a lot of rural communities have local and state sponsored programs to capture, fix and release feral cats back into the wild.

Remember a cat is not some stupid dog who licks his butt and then your mouth and you can beat into submission and bend to your will and chain in your backyard and forget about, like most couldn't care less dog "lovers" do. But simply having a dog in your yard will usually stop any cat problems. However the rest of the destructive wildlife your dog chooses to ignore is another matter. And continuously blaming all that constant property destruction on a domesticated cat is just plain idiotic.

Next topic up: Why mindlessly hate on snakes?
 

SlickSnake

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Originally posted by: OS
some cat recently kept jumping on my car to trying to catch a bird cuz there was a nest there. You could tell there was a fight going on ontop of my car from all the smeared dirt and feathers all over the car.

I later removed the nest but the cat came back several times jumping on my car and smearing dirt all over it. I was starting to think about shooting it with birdshot.

Obviously I'd prefer not to have to do so, but if your cat is going to cause hundreds of dollars of damage to the finish of my property, on my property, and the owner is nowhere to be found, seriously. It's a repeat trespasser, a repeat vandal and the owner is nowhere to be found. Sorry.

I would be cool with just a cultural change that cats are treated same as dogs, a loose one you call animal control and they take it away. We're obviously not there yet.

So the birds crap all over your car, and that's OK, and you left the nest until the cat tried to get it down? But the cat gets dirt on your car trying to get the birds and you get all wigged out with cat hate. That bird crap is highly acidic and will eat the paint off a battle ship, which is a bit better painted than some thin, cheaply painted car finish. This is a perfect example of senseless cat hating. Thanks for giving a good example of how thoughtless cat hating really is.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Originally posted by: OS
some cat recently kept jumping on my car to trying to catch a bird cuz there was a nest there. You could tell there was a fight going on ontop of my car from all the smeared dirt and feathers all over the car.

I later removed the nest but the cat came back several times jumping on my car and smearing dirt all over it. I was starting to think about shooting it with birdshot.

Obviously I'd prefer not to have to do so, but if your cat is going to cause hundreds of dollars of damage to the finish of my property, on my property, and the owner is nowhere to be found, seriously. It's a repeat trespasser, a repeat vandal and the owner is nowhere to be found. Sorry.

I would be cool with just a cultural change that cats are treated same as dogs, a loose one you call animal control and they take it away. We're obviously not there yet.

So the birds crap all over your car, and that's OK, and you left the nest until the cat tried to get it down? But the cat gets dirt on your car trying to get the birds and you get all wigged out with cat hate. That bird crap is highly acidic and will eat the paint off a battle ship, which is a bit better painted than some thin, cheaply painted car finish. This is a perfect example of senseless cat hating. Thanks for giving a good example of how thoughtless cat hating really is.

Where did the poster mention the birds were crapping on his car? Even if the birds were crapping on his car, if his car is waxed and the bird crap is removed in next few days, there won't be any damage to his car's paint finish.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Originally posted by: OS
some cat recently kept jumping on my car to trying to catch a bird cuz there was a nest there. You could tell there was a fight going on ontop of my car from all the smeared dirt and feathers all over the car.

I later removed the nest but the cat came back several times jumping on my car and smearing dirt all over it. I was starting to think about shooting it with birdshot.

Obviously I'd prefer not to have to do so, but if your cat is going to cause hundreds of dollars of damage to the finish of my property, on my property, and the owner is nowhere to be found, seriously. It's a repeat trespasser, a repeat vandal and the owner is nowhere to be found. Sorry.

I would be cool with just a cultural change that cats are treated same as dogs, a loose one you call animal control and they take it away. We're obviously not there yet.

So the birds crap all over your car, and that's OK, and you left the nest until the cat tried to get it down? But the cat gets dirt on your car trying to get the birds and you get all wigged out with cat hate. That bird crap is highly acidic and will eat the paint off a battle ship, which is a bit better painted than some thin, cheaply painted car finish. This is a perfect example of senseless cat hating. Thanks for giving a good example of how thoughtless cat hating really is.

bird is natural. it isnt a pet:p it is accepted as rain is accepted. its a fundamental difference. perhaps you are the perfect example of cat defenders being irrational:p
 

dug777

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Whatever twisted hatred of cats you may harbour, what this bloke did was illegal and particularly unpleasant.

One has to assume he wasn't man enough to actually go and talk to the cat owners in the first instance, which is pretty pathetic.
 

dug777

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I believe the following is Victorian legislation, that seems to provide a sensible solution:

Domestic, Feral and Nuisance Animals Act

21
PART 3?CONTROL OF DOGS AND CATS
Division 1?Stray dogs and cats
23. Dogs and cats on private property without
permission
(1) If a dog or cat has been present on private
property on more than one occasion without the
permission of the owner or occupier of the
property, the owner or occupier of private
property or an authorised officer may seize the
dog or cat while it is present on the property.
(2) The owner or occupier of the private property or
the authorised officer who has seized a dog or cat
under sub-section (1) must immediately so notify
the Council of the municipal district in which the
property is situated.
(3) If the Council is able to identify the owner of a
dog or cat seized under sub-section (1), the
Council must, within 5 business days after the
seizure of the dog or cat, serve on the owner of the
dog or cat a notice of objection to the presence of
that dog or cat on the private property.
(4) If, after a notice under sub-section (3) has been
served, the dog or cat enters or remains on the
private property, the owner of the dog or cat is
guilty of an offence and liable, upon conviction, to
a penalty of not more than 1 penalty unit for a first
offence, and 3 penalty units for a second or
subsequent offence.
(5) A notice under sub-section (3) must be served
either personally or by registered post.
S. 23
substituted by
No. 87/2000
s. 10.
Part 3?Control of Dogs and Cats
Domestic (Feral and Nuisance) Animals Act 1994
Act No. 81/1994
(6) A copy of a notice under sub-section (3) must be
given to the owner or occupier of the private
property within 24 hours after the notice being
served.
(7) In this section, "business day" means a day other
than?
(a) a Saturday or Sunday; or
(b) a public holiday appointed under the Public
Holidays Act 1993.


S 30. Owner of livestock able to destroy dog or cat found
at large near livestock
(1) The owner of any animals or birds kept for
farming purposes, any person authorised by the
owner or an authorised officer may destroy any
dog or cat found at large?
(a) in the place where the animals or birds are
confined; or
(b) if the animals or birds are tethered, in the
vicinity of the animals or birds.
(2) The owner, a person authorised by the owner or
authorised officer does not incur any civil or
criminal liability for acting under sub-section (1).
 

sixone

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Originally posted by: dug777
Whatever twisted hatred of cats you may harbour, what this bloke did was illegal and particularly unpleasant.

One has to assume he wasn't man enough to actually go and talk to the cat owners in the first instance, which is pretty pathetic.

I completely agree with you.

But it's difficult to feel sorry for a cat owner who lets their pet out in an urban area. It's just too dangerous, what with cars, other animals, etc. If you love your pet so much, keep it safe indoors.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


bird is natural. it isnt a pet:p it is accepted as rain is accepted. its a fundamental difference. perhaps you are the perfect example of cat defenders being irrational:p

Either one of these conditions, like the sun one above are irrational.

The sun you cannot help, a bird can be removed just as the cat.

However; most here talk about shooting anything first then asking questions (I think they get confused with Halo or something).

I reality almost any municipality has laws that control the capture and relocation of pets on another's property and usually have their own departments to specifically handle this.

It there was a cat constantly going after a bird's nest I parked under, I would have a ton of permutations to go through that wouldn't involve having to kill anything.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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not really, the difference is the natural occurances are not imposed on you by a neighbors actions. thats the fundamental difference.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
not really, the difference is the natural occurances are not imposed on you by a neighbors actions. thats the fundamental difference.

I am not sure where you are trying to go with this other than trying to prove those defending the cat's from harm wrong.

People that don't like the sun/rain on their car cover them. Those that don't want birds crapping on them also cover or simply don't park under trees.

There are many things to keep birds out of ones yards as well as other animals without harm or killing them.

No matter how you slice it what the guy did was illegal in most places of the country.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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the onus is still on the pet owner to keep the animal out. not on the neighbors to build massive fences around their yards to seal cats out.
i put it like this, you can't complain if your kid gets hit by a car if you let him play on the freeway.
illegal? perhaps, but ownership is somewhat questionable if you so easily let the pet off your property. it still comes down to the irresponsible pet owner kicking it all off. in some way it might be illegal, but its also very understandable because its just a reaction to pet owners flaunting the laws with abandon for years themselves without consequence.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
the onus is still on the pet owner to keep the animal out. not on the neighbors to build massive fences around their yards to seal cats out.
i put it like this, you can't complain if your kid gets hit by a car if you let him play on the freeway.
illegal? perhaps, but ownership is somewhat questionable if you so easily let the pet off your property. it still comes down to the irresponsible pet owner kicking it all off. in some way it might be illegal, but its also very understandable because its just a reaction to pet owners flaunting the laws with abandon for years themselves without consequence.

no matter the fence it is not going to keep out a cat.


I agree that it is the pet onwers fault. if they truly loved the cat as much as they claim they wouldnt let it roam free.


though the guy should have talked to the owners first. then dropped them off a shelter...or a bridge.
 

jonmcc33

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I don't know, if you have an outside cat then it's not really a house pet and not really yours. So I don't know why anyone would be raising such an issue over this.

Originally posted by: Tylanner
Relocation is a more accurate term, but given that the cats cannot be expected to survive, he might as well have eradicated them more directly.

Is that why they were outside eating birds? A cat that is strictly an indoor cat might have problems "surviving" outside but outdoor cats have no problem at all.



 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
true but a silencer is probably a pain to build or get your hands on

Easy to build but not worth the ten years in Federal prison. Using the silencer would be a bigger crime than killing the cat. Live trap them and take them to the SPCA in a neighboring town so they never find there way back is the best method I have found over the years. Either someone adopts them or they get juiced, either way I am happy.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
the onus is still on the pet owner to keep the animal out. not on the neighbors to build massive fences around their yards to seal cats out.
i put it like this, you can't complain if your kid gets hit by a car if you let him play on the freeway.
illegal? perhaps, but ownership is somewhat questionable if you so easily let the pet off your property. it still comes down to the irresponsible pet owner kicking it all off. in some way it might be illegal, but its also very understandable because its just a reaction to pet owners flaunting the laws with abandon for years themselves without consequence.

No one is saying cats should run free.

The argument is what this guy did was illegal.

I believe all cats should be indoors, any animal expert would agree as well.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: jonmcc33
I don't know, if you have an outside cat then it's not really a house pet and not really yours. So I don't know why anyone would be raising such an issue over this.

Originally posted by: Tylanner
Relocation is a more accurate term, but given that the cats cannot be expected to survive, he might as well have eradicated them more directly.

Is that why they were outside eating birds? A cat that is strictly an indoor cat might have problems "surviving" outside but outdoor cats have no problem at all.

most cats aren't eating the birds they kill, they are eating from the trash.
 

OS

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oh while the comparisons to messed up kids are running, if someone has a bad kid, and the parent knows about the behavior, and the kid still causes property damage, the parent can be sued for negligent supervision. i would be cool with cat owners being sued for property damage also.

 

Locut0s

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If these cats had been killed by wondering onto the property of someone who owned a guard dog would the story be different? I do think it was not the right thing for the person to have done but having what sounds like a dozen cats who belong to other people freely wondering around your property isn't good either.