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Man Finds $21K in Bonds, Gets $100 Reward

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Injury

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Originally posted by: goku
No but seriously, $100 IS an insult. It's much better to give them nothing except a good firm thankyou than to embarrass them with something so trivial as $100. The guy is fricken homeless and he just gives you $21k and you give him $100, talk about cheap worthless bastards. I wouldn't be surprised if this family was in some serious debt and needed the money to pay it off. And or they will be in some serious debt soon..

Okay, let's be clear that the guy didn't "just give [them] $21k"... he returned it to its rightful owner.

Let's also be clear that NONE of us know the circumstances of either party.

Would you all be supporting giving the guy a few grand if you knew he was homeless because was a meth addict or something?

Would you be calling this family cheap bastards if the guy who died and left his posessions to them also left them with thousands and thousands of dollars in hospital debts and funeral bills? What if they were barely making it and 21k would be a great college fund for their kids?

I can agree that it would be fair of them to give more if they were freaking loaded and just being stingy, but NONE of us can verify that or anything else.

So as it stands, going by the fact that they are under no obligation to give him anything, I can still say tht $100 is fair. It's not an expectation, it's a reward. If the guy returned it out of the kindness of his heart, then wouldn't $100 be $100 more than he expected? If he was only returning it hoping to make some quick reward money because he can't cash the bonds himself, then is it still fair to say that he deserves a huge reward?

I can't participate in this thread anymore because it's not fair to make any assumptions based on the lack of info.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: everman
People would be complaining if it was "only" $2,000 reward.

Hell, maybe a few would, but that's a lot more than I'd have given
 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: goku
No but seriously, $100 IS an insult. It's much better to give them nothing except a good firm thankyou than to embarrass them with something so trivial as $100. The guy is fricken homeless and he just gives you $21k and you give him $100, talk about cheap worthless bastards. I wouldn't be surprised if this family was in some serious debt and needed the money to pay it off. And or they will be in some serious debt soon..

Okay, let's be clear that the guy didn't "just give [them] $21k"... he returned it to its rightful owner.

Let's also be clear that NONE of us know the circumstances of either party.

Would you all be supporting giving the guy a few grand if you knew he was homeless because was a meth addict or something?

Would you be calling this family cheap bastards if the guy who died and left his posessions to them also left them with thousands and thousands of dollars in hospital debts and funeral bills? What if they were barely making it and 21k would be a great college fund for their kids?

I can agree that it would be fair of them to give more if they were freaking loaded and just being stingy, but NONE of us can verify that or anything else.

So as it stands, going by the fact that they are under no obligation to give him anything, I can still say tht $100 is fair. It's not an expectation, it's a reward. If the guy returned it out of the kindness of his heart, then wouldn't $100 be $100 more than he expected? If he was only returning it hoping to make some quick reward money because he can't cash the bonds himself, then is it still fair to say that he deserves a huge reward?

I can't participate in this thread anymore because it's not fair to make any assumptions based on the lack of info.

Techincle the homeless man was the rightfull owner of the bonds. By throwing the bonds away it is finders keepers.
 

Pacfanweb

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Why does doing the right thing entitle one to some of the money?

He gave back something that didn't belong to him. End of story.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: smack Down
Techincle the homeless man was the rightfull owner of the bonds. By throwing the bonds away it is finders keepers.
That's a bullshlt way to go about life. If you know that something isn't yours, and there's a reasonable chance you can get it back to the rightful owner, then you should.

If everyone did that, the world would immediately be a better place.
 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
Nov 29, 1999
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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Why does doing the right thing entitle one to some of the money?

He gave back something that didn't belong to him. End of story.

Who the fvck said he was entitled to anything? We aren't talking about entitlement, we are talking about expressing gratitude.

The owners had no "obligation" to reward the man at all - but they obviously felt some small desire to do so, but in the opinion of myself and other posters, their chosen method of gratitude was cheap and border-line insulting.

I mean, if he found $21K in a deposit bag that some cashier had accidentally dropped after closing the store and the cashier personally gave him $100 as a reward, that would be more than deserved. But we are talking about a family that, from what I can gather from the brief stroy, accidently threw out $21K worth of paper that they didn't even know existed and had it returned to them by this man. They chose to express thier gratitude over this unexpected "gift" by handing him 0.4% of the money.

So, while they were under no legal obligation to pay the man, we still feel like they showed thier true moral nature with such a pitance of a reward.

Others, like yourself, seem to feel differently. "End of story."
 

DainBramaged

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If that would have been me and I was getting money that I didn't know belonged to me because someone did what they knew was right, I'd split it 50/50.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Originally posted by: JEDI
um.. could anyone cash inthose bonds?

No as they were in someone elses name.

correct, those were not bearer bonds. those were probably Series EE in someone's name.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: chusteczka
Hindsight is always better but he could have kept half of the bonds himself returned one half, if the reward was sufficient then he could return 100%. In the case of this skimpy reward, the homeless guy could have negotiated for a better return on the remaining $10,000.

read the thread, learn how bonds work.



Originally posted by: mribnik1
$100 > $0

Exactly. Why is it that people are so freaking greedy that they need a huge monetary incentive to return something to its rightful owner?

All of these "OMG $100? YOU CHEAPASS" posts are absurd. It's $100 more than he had seconds before finding the bonds, and while something more would obviously be awesome for the guy, there's no requirement to pay people in this situation.

i think you forget 50% of ATOT is full of hippy commies
 

Babbles

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Originally posted by: Baked
A true samaritan doesn't ask for any rewards for his/her good deeds.

Word.

Also as a few have mentioned but most people in this thread have totally ignored, those bond may literally be worthless to the family if it was in the name of the deceased.

The family very well just gave the homeless guy $100 and received nothing in return simply because they may not be able to cash in on those bonds.
 
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Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Baked
A true samaritan doesn't ask for any rewards for his/her good deeds.

Word.

Also as a few have mentioned but most people in this thread have totally ignored, those bond may literally be worthless to the family if it was in the name of the deceased.

The family very well just gave the homeless guy $100 and received nothing in return simply because they may not be able to cash in on those bonds.

I'd imagine next-of-kin would be set up when dealing with that much money.
 

tommywishbone

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From todays (Sunday) Detroit Press.

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Sun. 07/23/06 12:54 AM

Finder's Keepers


My father was a postal supervisor who worked the night shift here in Detroit. He was a caring man, who grew up in Detroit and despaired over the riots of 1976 and was ever troubled by the problems of racial division and the impact of poverty in the community he loved.

Nobody can put a dollar value on the measure of my family?s gratitude or generosity.

The whole story, which I told to The Detroit News:

The $21,000 savings bonds belong to my father?s 82-year-old widow, a retired teacher, who agreed to offer a token reward of $100 when first contacted 10 days or more ago. When nobody called back as promised, she filed by mail to have them re-issued on Thursday by the U.S. Bureau of Public Debt. The homeless shelter first contacted The Detroit News, who called me Friday morning. A few hours later the shelter called back having arranged a press conference -- they got the News and another, I think was from the Associated Press. That was not part of the deal. Okay?

I was a newspaper reporter for 6 years or so and I knew this was a set-up by a well-deserving agency, the Neighborhood Services Organization, doing a very hard job. From what I saw when I was there, they are doing it as well as can be expected. I respect and understand their decision to do what they did. My own expectation is to offer what skills I have to them. Leave that aside.

I called by mother and told her that I ought to take her offer of $100 for Mr. Moore, who found the bonds, as we offered. She agreed and I did. I merely delivered the token reward earlier offered by my mother at 3:30 in the afternoon with the two newspaper reporters and two photographers gathered around.

This 24-hour shelter is in one Detroit's worst areas. It would be a frightening trip for anyone. I lived and grew up in Pleasant Ridge and attended Wayne State University and the Detroit College of Law in the 1960s and 70s.

When I arrived at the shelter, people lingered on the curbs as the executive director drove his car in ahead of me and parked in a broken-glass strewn parking lot. Stray possessions spread across the vacant fields to the west. People were streaming in and out through the magnetic screeening machine set up at the entry way.

The Neighborhood Services Organization shelter to which Mr. Moore brought what he found -- if they were found in a dumpster as he reported, it was hours away from being hauled to a landfill forever lost. His finding them is remarkable and the reporter missed an even better story than she wrote. She did not ask about me the person but about me the lawyer $21,000 richer.

Not true as you will see. The better story was me the person because the last wedding I went to for a daughter, my father died the night before at 2 in the morning and The next wedding I went to was today, my youngest brother's step-daughter. I think my Dad is determined to make his mark.

My mother, who knew nothing of what my father had done, is the sole beneficiary as POD on every savings bond and as sole beneficiary of my father?s otherwise modest estate. I don?t disagree with some who say that $100 was a token reward. However, that?s the real story. Not what The headline writer and reporter made of what they thought happened. If your reporter had not called me first, if the shelter agency had responded days earlier, if any reasonable effort had been made for me to meet Mr. Moore -- he comes there every morning for breakfast, they said -- it could have been a much different story. If so, why did they fail -- did it not adhere to newspaper deadlines for the weekend?

You and some of your readers and many across the country -- who left me a series of hang-up telephone messages and rude e-mail messages, to all of which I have responded, made a series of cynical assumptions that my late father, who had a wry sense of humor, would say to me, "Sorry about that bundle of bonds I stashed away -- next time you'll know better."



Neil J. Lehto, West Bloomfield, Mi




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cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: tommywishbone
From todays (Sunday) Detroit Press.

That was actually quite hard to read, coming from someone who was supposedly an ex-reporter.

Thanks for posting that, I think we get a bit more of the story from that.
 

Journer

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bastards...i wouldve given the poor guy some more money...i suppose we now know why he is homeless, lol
 

shoRunner

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those people were dicks...$100 for finding their $21k in the trash...isn't once you've thrown something out in the trash its no longer yours, which is why the police can go through the trash and take stuff for evidence...
 

tommywishbone

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Homeless man rewarded $4,000 for honesty [/u][/b]Tue Jul 25, 8:58 AM ET

DETROIT - A homeless man who returned $21,000 worth of saving bonds he found in a trash bin is finding out how much honesty can pay off.

Charles Moore, 59, had been searching for returnable bottles last week when he came across the 31 U.S. savings bonds. He turned them in to a homeless shelter, where a staff member tracked down the family of the man who had owned them.

For his good deed, the bond owner's son gave Moore $100, but residents around Michigan and in other states decided his action merited a more generous reward.

So far, Moore has received over $4,000.

One man sent him eight trash bags full of returnable bottles and a bowl of coins. Three others gave a combined $2,500, and two businessmen from Troy donated $1,200, a shopping spree and a lead on a job.

"I was thankful for it," said Moore, who had lost his roofing job in Ohio and moved back to Michigan but couldn't find work.

Moore said he plans to use the money to find an apartment.

David C. Smith, of Albuquerque, N.M., gave Moore $1,000. Smith said he and his fiancee wouldn't have thought twice about what to do if the bonds had belonged to them.

"We would have given him the whole amount, period," Smith said. "No questions asked."

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SophalotJack

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If the family gave the homeless man any more than $100 bucks, then he might actually have enough to better himself.

Why would they want to do that?

Keeping the hobo reward of $100 ensures that the samaritan only has enough money for booze and basic food until he hits another "jackpot"

And as for the family, "Hello extra unnecesary car!"
 

BillyBatson

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he did the right thing yes and shouldn't expect a reward but come on really you would give the guy a LOT more than $1000!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND the guy is homeless on top of it all! i would easily have given him $5000