Man feeds kittens to his dog

[HenryC]

Well, I don't own a snake and don't intend to. What other reason would you have one for? Watch it lay there? It's about as exciting as a pet rock.

Better to ask snake owners that... probably because they see such lizards as beautiful and like having them on display? Same with fish... they're pretty boring too but people keep them.

 

[ussfletcher]

That's abnormal.

 

[Turin39789]

I would do anything to spend 10 minutes alone in a room with this guy.

Source

Would you feed 5 kittens to a dog if it would get you 10 minutes alone in a room with that guy?

 

[DaTT]

Why has no one brought this up yet:

Why are there kittens in a box in the back of a parked truck that are too young to have opened their eyes? Should the mother cat not be there with them at that early age? Chances are, those kittens were doomed either way.

 

[masterxfob]

It's natural for a dog to eat live prey as well. *Watches dingoes, wolves and cape African hounds go at it*

There is nothing natural with live feeding because of the very fact that it's in captivity. Artificial enclosure, giving a domesticated animal to another domesticated animal... it is the SAME thing in principle. The "but it's natural" argument for such things is a load of BS.



As said before, no different to the cat in terms of intent and level of cruelty involved. I am going to assume that people are outraged because the cat suffered when it did not have to, am I correct? A mouse would feel the same thing as the cat if being fed live to another animal. The fear is there, the fact that there's no chance to escape... and the eventual being eaten alive bit.

Ah but of course, kittens are cuter eh? Cuteness should not be relevant - especially when the animals involved can feel the same thing. Then there's the very fact that live feeding is ILLEGAL in some countries. I am sure it is in NZ.

i'd like to see a chihuahua eat a live cat or a 100% safe and domesticated dingo/wolf/hyena that will only eat dry "dog" food. from what you're saying, and how you misconstrued my words, all of that is possible. get a life you fucking troll.

and on another note from a slightly more sane member who happens to agree on that point:

Not necessarily. Domesticated dogs are more or less no longer true hunters, those that are animal aggressive as puppies should be trained otherwise. What happens though is many teach their dogs to kill.

Your points go all over the place though, in the end this was an execution...not for the sustainence for the dog.

 

[masterxfob]

Better to ask snake owners that... probably because they see such lizards as beautiful and like having them on display? Same with fish... they're pretty boring too but people keep them.

God forbid someone feeds their lizard a live cricket or their fish a live worm... oh the humanity!

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Would you feed 5 kittens to a dog if it would get you 10 minutes alone in a room with that guy?

Quite the conundrum :hmm:

 

[Zargon]

God forbid someone feeds their lizard a live cricket or their fish a live worm... oh the humanity!

seriously.

I feed lil baby mice to my snake all the time, guess I should go to jail and be beaten too

or all those goldfish I fed my tiger oscars

 

[FelixDeCat]

Dam dog, this man should be fed to the kittens!

 

[HenryC]

i'd like to see a chihuahua eat a live cat or a 100% safe and domesticated dingo/wolf/hyena that will only eat dry "dog" food. from what you're saying, and how you misconstrued my words, all of that is possible. get a life you fucking troll.

Oh please, don't be so pedantic. You knew exactly what I meant. Unless you didn't get the point, which is why you're being so defensive about things?

A very small snake is not going to eat a large rabbit either, despite the fact that snakes can still eat rabbits... thus your rat-dog analogy is moot. Dogs are carnivores. We don't give them live food now because we don't need to and it's cheaper. But that doesn't mean they don't have the capacity to...

God forbid someone feeds their lizard a live cricket or their fish a live worm... oh the humanity!

You obviously can't make the distinction between an insect or annelid and a mammal. Mammals can feel pain. They have pain receptors, have a cerebral cortex and exhibit emotion from fear and distress. Nothing of which the two you mentioned has, which is why invertebrates aren't even covered here.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Dam dog, this man should be fed to the kittens!

 

[TallBill]

Would you feed 5 kittens to a dog if it would get you 10 minutes alone in a room with that guy?

Hahahaha

 

[HenryC]

seriously.

I feed lil baby mice to my snake all the time, guess I should go to jail and be beaten too

or all those goldfish I fed my tiger oscars

That'd make you quite hypocritical to comment on this issue then. Those baby mice could have potentially been someone's pets, like those kittens could have been. No different really.

I'm not saying not to feed your snake mice, I'm just saying it's ridiculous to be so outraged about feeding kittens to another meat eating animal when you're doing exactly the same thing in principle with the mice to another meat eating mammal.

Much like the person who sees a cow killed for food on TV, getting all "aww they killed the cow, that's an outrage" while tucking into a nice medium rare steak.

Don't get me wrong, what that guy did to the kittens was terrible and he should be punished, BUT you're doing something really similar.

 

[TallBill]

That'd make you quite hypocritical to comment on this issue then. Those baby mice could have potentially been someone's pets, like those kittens could have been. No different really.

I'm not saying not to feed your snake mice, I'm just saying it's ridiculous to be so outraged about feeding kittens to another meat eating animal when you're doing exactly the same thing in principle with the mice to another meat eating mammal.

Much like the person who sees a cow killed for food on TV, getting all "aww they killed the cow, that's an outrage" while tucking into a nice medium rare steak.

 

[Kirby]

That'd make you quite hypocritical to comment on this issue then. Those baby mice could have potentially been someone's pets, like those kittens could have been. No different really.

I'm not saying not to feed your snake mice, I'm just saying it's ridiculous to be so outraged about feeding kittens to another meat eating animal when you're doing exactly the same thing in principle with the mice to another meat eating mammal.

Much like the person who sees a cow killed for food on TV, getting all "aww they killed the cow, that's an outrage" while tucking into a nice medium rare steak.

Don't get me wrong, what that guy did to the kittens was terrible and he should be punished, BUT you're doing something really similar.

mouse bred for snake eating != domesticated kitten

 

[HenryC]

Uh huh, fine.

So is the issue here the underlying cruelty, or it is because the species in question are cute fluffy wittle kittens?

Are you either FOR feeding live animals to other animals in captivity, or against? Now, see, if the issue was *actually* the underlying cruelty then the species would not really matter. Kitten, baby mouse - where is the moral difference? They both can suffer from it and both don't need to be fed live to other animals in captivity.

 

[LTC8K6]

We let the Porpoises out of the nets, but to hell with the Tuna...

 

[LTC8K6]

Not hard converting them to prekilled. There are plenty of articles and videos on the subject.

Captive yes, wild, not so much...

 

[HenryC]

mouse bred for snake eating != domesticated kitten

Except that mice which are bred in captivity ARE domesticated animals, feeders or pets. Both of them are domesticated animals.

When you cry about the apparent cruelty to the kittens, understand that those mice are feeling the same thing. Double standards are amazing, yes?

 

[HenryC]

Captive yes, wild, not so much...

Well, we are talking about captivity here...

Far as I'm concerned, it is wrong to feed both live mice and live kittens to other animals in captivity due to the unnecessary cruelty. And this is exactly why I think the people who feed live mice to snakes have no reason to bitch about this issue when they are essentially doing the same thing, only to an animal that is less cuter.

 

[masterxfob]

Oh please, don't be so pedantic. You knew exactly what I meant. Unless you didn't get the point, which is why you're being so defensive about things?

A very small snake is not going to eat a large rabbit either, despite the fact that snakes can still eat rabbits... thus your rat-dog analogy is moot. Dogs are carnivores. We don't give them live food now because we don't need to and it's cheaper. But that doesn't mean they don't have the capacity to...



You obviously can't make the distinction between an insect or annelid and a mammal. Mammals can feel pain. They have pain receptors, have a cerebral cortex and exhibit emotion from fear and distress. Nothing of which the two you mentioned has, which is why invertebrates aren't even covered here.

pain is a relative term and can be applied to plants if you so wanted. pain equates to damage and when a plant is damaged, some develop a means to fend off that pain/damage with thorns or toxins and other such means. if you try to cause pain to an insect, it will run away or try to defend itself from said pain/damage.

so careful not to step on an ant while walking. better not drive your car for fear of splattering an insects guts on your windshield. i'm sure you're a vegetarian since you can't stand harming animals/mammals. even then, forget about eating plants since they are living and in a sense can feel pain. fruits contain seeds which are basically the equivalent of an embryo in it's amniotic fluid. i really see no possible way for you to continue living unless you somehow develop a way like some sea slug to spawn the ability to create your own chloroplasts and survive solely on sunlight and water...

i know it's been frowned upon in the past, but i feel it's justified for a troll like yourself. it would be better if you just did everyone a favor and DIAF.

 

[Kirby]

Except that mice which are bred in captivity ARE domesticated animals, feeders or pets. Both of them are domesticated animals.

When you cry about the apparent cruelty to the kittens, understand that those mice are feeling the same thing. Double standards are amazing, yes?

Would it make you feel better if had said, "domesticated mouse bred for snakes != domesticated kitten bred for pets"?

Double-standard or not, there's a line in there somewhere between pets and food. If the asshole wouldn't have given the dog the kittens, I wouldn't have a problem with it. If a stray dog eats a few kittens, so what. Animals eat other animals, and most likely the prey doesn't enjoy the process.

 

[SlitheryDee]

That's messed up because they weren't his kittens. If he wants to feed kittens to his dog he should get his own. I'm also mildly distressed at the misuse of kittens in this way. Kittens are for being cute and cuddly, not dog feed. I suppose if he wants to waste his own kittens that's his business, but what he did is akin to someone using a stolen laser printer as a boat anchor. It probably works, but it isn't smartest use of resources.

 

[HenryC]

pain is a relative term and can be applied to plants if you so wanted.

No, pain is not a relative term. It actually has a definition.

pain equates to damage and when a plant is damaged, some develop a means to fend off that pain/damage with thorns or toxins and other such means. if you try to cause pain to an insect, it will run away or try to defend itself from said pain/damage.

Insects lack nociceptors. Once more, there is no conscious element to it because pain is a learning experience and they do not learn.

i'm sure you're a vegetarian since you can't stand harming animals/mammals.

I don't need to be a vegetarian to abhor mindless cruelty to animals. And our welfare standards as far as farm animals are concerned are high so I don't have a guilt trip when I eat a burger.

even then, forget about eating plants since they are living and in a sense can feel pain. fruits contain seeds which are basically the equivalent of an embryo in it's amniotic fluid.

Glad to see you're still studying biology in primary school.

i know it's been frowned upon in the past, but i feel it's justified for a troll like yourself. it would be better if you just did everyone a favor and DIAF.

I'm a troll because I dared disagree with the might of masterxfob?

 

[HenryC]

Double-standard or not, there's a line in there somewhere between pets and food. If the asshole wouldn't have given the dog the kittens, I wouldn't have a problem with it. If a stray dog eats a few kittens, so what. Animals eat other animals, and most likely the prey doesn't enjoy the process.

You seem to be missing the fact that they are both conscious animals, given to another animal as live food by a human being - when such an activity is not necessary at all. Got nothing to do with how animals eat other animals.

Point is, it is in a captive situation where it's just forced cruelty. There is no predator-prey relationship here. People can just as easily claim to breed kittens for snake food, just as easily as one could say that feeders can actually be pets.