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Man feeds kittens to his dog

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As George Carlin so eloquently pointed out, our whole scrambled hierarchy of which animals are and aren't ok to kill is perfectly arbitrary. Some are killed...."because they're pests." Some are killed "cuz it's fun!"
There's nothing wrong with holding millions of one species captive for the purpose of killing them for food, but there is something wrong with killing 5 kittens. Meanwhile, go to some other regions of the world, and that same animal may be used as food without anyone worrying about it. Someone mentioned feeding live mice to a snake - mouse traps are a pretty common item, often with the sole goal of killing one, "because they're pests."

That all said, in this here society of ours, cats are viewed by most as valued animals, and killing them is a societal taboo. (Unless you're a vet euthanizing an animal to alleviate suffering, without its consent; and that is perfectly acceptable, but allowing humans to decide their own fate in similar fashion is not allowed. Isn't our value system fun?) Since it is viewed as a bad thing to do anything to harm cats, people who engage in it, and enjoy doing so, fall into the archetype of someone who's on a dangerous and potentially destructive path. Taking joy from killing much of anything beyond an insect (warning: arbitrary!) should kind of be cause for concern about some sort of mental problem or instability.
 
New Zealanders hate kittens. It's in our nature.

Then again, I'm fairly sure kitties are plotting against us. Just look at this little fucker.
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Patranus said:
How is this any different than feeding live mice to snakes?
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it's natural for a snake to eat live prey, but not for a domesticated dog that society has created non-live feed. i've fed live mice to my pet snake before and really never thought twice about it. however, i guess even doing that may be considered savage. i mean, feeding live crickets to a pet frog would fall in the same boat. i suppose it all boils down to one's own perspective.
 
That we don't enjoy killing cats for pleasure is not so much a taboo as an expression of one of our most primary emotions. We are programmed such that we feel a deep compassion towards anything small, defenseless, friendly, cute, intelligent, and dependent on us. Babies, kittens, and puppies fit this criteria.

I doubt the next generation of kids is going to rebel against societal norms and start killing cats for pleasure. If so, then society will have reached the bottom of a downward spiral and hopefully an asteroid will put it out of its misery.
 
Mike Gayner said:
I would do anything to spend 10 minutes alone in a room with this guy.
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Haha. Wow. And this is from the same person who said this:

Bleeding heart hippies make me laugh. It's a mouse - kill it in whatever fashion you feel necessary - quick, slow, easy, painful, fuck torture the thing I dont care - IT;S A MOUSE!
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LOL angry hippy is angry. Dude, it's a fucking mouse. A MOUSE. Who gives a fuck if it feels pain?
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Now it seems you are being the bleeding heart hippy. Or a hypocrite. See, animal cruelty is shit in general so don't pretend you either care or are pretending to act tough. See, anyone could just as easily say "who gives a fuck if it feels pain" when referring to a cat. See how it is? Now you know how I feel when someone opts to torture a mouse on a glue trap by starving it to death, pouring boiling water on it or any manner of sick, inhumane crap.

Cat... mouse... doesn't matter. Cruelty is still cruelty, the intent is still there to be malicious. And quite frankly, spare us your outrage because from what you've said on the other thread, you REALLY don't have a leg to stand on.
 
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masterxfob said:
it's natural for a snake to eat live prey, but not for a domesticated dog that society has created non-live feed.
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It's natural for a dog to eat live prey as well. *Watches dingoes, wolves and cape African hounds go at it*

There is nothing natural with live feeding because of the very fact that it's in captivity. Artificial enclosure, giving a domesticated animal to another domesticated animal... it is the SAME thing in principle. The "but it's natural" argument for such things is a load of BS.

i've fed live mice to my pet snake before and really never thought twice about it. however, i guess even doing that may be considered savage.
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As said before, no different to the cat in terms of intent and level of cruelty involved. I am going to assume that people are outraged because the cat suffered when it did not have to, am I correct? A mouse would feel the same thing as the cat if being fed live to another animal. The fear is there, the fact that there's no chance to escape... and the eventual being eaten alive bit.

Ah but of course, kittens are cuter eh? Cuteness should not be relevant - especially when the animals involved can feel the same thing. Then there's the very fact that live feeding is ILLEGAL in some countries. I am sure it is in NZ.
 
HenryC said:
Haha. Wow. And this is from the same person who said this:





Now it seems you are being the bleeding heart hippy. Or a hypocrite. See, animal cruelty is shit in general so don't pretend you either care or are pretending to act tough. See, anyone could just as easily say "who gives a fuck if it feels pain" when referring to a cat. See how it is? Now you know how I feel when someone opts to torture a mouse on a glue trap by starving it to death, pouring boiling water on it or any manner of sick, inhumane crap.

Cat... mouse... doesn't matter. Cruelty is still cruelty, the intent is still there to be malicious. And quite frankly, spare us your outrage because from what you've said on the other thread, you REALLY don't have a leg to stand on.
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I'd say it's equally cruel to torture a mouse. Any animal the clearly has emotions and fells pain. I tend to draw the line at insects and possibly fish but higher order animals clearly have the same, or close to the same, emotions and feelings we do.
 
Locut0s said:
I'd say it's equally cruel to torture a mouse. Any animal the clearly has emotions and fells pain. I tend to draw the line at insects and possibly fish but higher order animals clearly have the same, or close to the same, emotions and feelings we do.
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Exactly! This is why I don't see the difference at all. The cat would have more significance because it was a pet, but I think that is irrelevant to how we treat animals in general. Most animals you don't have to treat like royalty, just with enough respect so they are not needlessly abused.

So that would mean you agree that all those YT videos where people are laughing and giggling as a live mouse is being consumed by their snakes is a form of torture?
 
What are people upset about more, the fact he did this in a cruel manner or the fact he fact he fed an animal to another animal (let's leave out the fact that they were cute and cuddly kittens)?
 
(let's leave out the fact that they were cute and cuddly kittens)
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Apparently that's the only thing that matters, never mind the level of cruelty involved.

Some people don't seem to realise that animal cruelty has more to do with the person rather than the actual animal. Species is not relevant... there is no difference doing something like this to a kitten or a mouse when the mindset is important here. Being malicious and with intent to a mouse, and doing the same to a cat - it is not so much the species as it is the philosophy of treating living, feeling beings itself.

Some people will say that humane treatment of a cat is trivial, and the morality of method when killing a pest is trivial. However, they're ignoring the underlying principle that is NOT trivial.
 
geno said:
What are people upset about more, the fact he did this in a cruel manner or the fact he fact he fed an animal to another animal (let's leave out the fact that they were cute and cuddly kittens)?
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Well the point is that the person is doing it to see the fear and pain on the animals face. He filmed it after all. There isn't much of a jump from doing that and doing the same to a person to watch the fear and pain on a persons face. The two animals have the same set of emotions and feelings, the only difference is the person has the ability to talk which doesn't really change anything.
 
HenryC said:
Exactly! This is why I don't see the difference at all. The cat would have more significance because it was a pet, but I think that is irrelevant to how we treat animals in general. Most animals you don't have to treat like royalty, just with enough respect so they are not needlessly abused.

So that would mean you agree that all those YT videos where people are laughing and giggling as a live mouse is being consumed by their snakes is a form of torture?
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Yes I would say that's torture. They could painlessly kill the mouse first. The key difference between humans and other animals is that we are self aware. Other animals eat other animals because all they see there is walking meat. But because we are self aware we naturally project our own consciousness onto other living creatures. This is a natural part of human biology. That's why people like pets in the first place, they project human qualities onto the pet. Now because we do this we automatically put ourselves in the place of any such animal in question (this is something other animals are not able to do). Because of this we naturally feel some of what is happening to the animal as if it were happening to us or another person. Too NOT feel this way can be a sign of developmental problems in a person. Sociopaths and Psychopaths often are not able to place themselves in other peoples, or animals, shoes and so have no sense of compassion or guilt about anything.
 
mjrpes3 said:
We are programmed such that we feel a deep compassion towards anything small, defenseless, friendly, cute, intelligent, and dependent on us. Babies, kittens, and puppies fit this criteria.
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Programmed by the media, and by being spoonfed things, maybe?

Cuteness is hardly a scale that should be used. Whether the animal is "ugly" or "cute", it is still the same thing. In fact, I'd say that cuteness has nothing to do with our obligation to treat others with respect because the core issue is important (cruelty, mindset), not aesthetics. I might go so far to say that the very fact people can't overlook cuteness is one of the primary reasons why we are cruel in the first place.

The fluffy bunny BS should take a backseat.
 
HenryC said:
Programmed by the media, and by being spoonfed things, maybe?

Cuteness is hardly a scale that should be used. Whether the animal is "ugly" or "cute", it is still the same thing. In fact, I'd say that cuteness has nothing to do with our obligation to treat others with respect because the core issue is important (cruelty, mindset), not aesthetics. I might go so far to say that the very fact people can't overlook cuteness is one of the primary reasons why we are cruel in the first place.
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I cannot even come close to expressing how much this pisses me off. What kind of twisted fuck does this? And as far as comparing this to feeding mice to a snake, grow a fucking brain and realize that those kittens were someones pets, loved ones.

I know... Let's toss this fucktard in a cage with a few lions and see how it pans out. I'll bring my cell to video it.
 
geno said:
What are people upset about more, the fact he did this in a cruel manner or the fact he fact he fed an animal to another animal (let's leave out the fact that they were cute and cuddly kittens)?
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As others have implied already I'm upset that one, the guy stole those kittens from somebody else, and two, that he apparently took pleasure/enjoyment in feeding those kittens to his dog.
 
Some animals will not eat anything unless they kill it themselves. You have to feed them live animals, or have some way to trick them into thinking a dead animal is alive.
 
iGas said:
Killing 5 kittens or another animal is what I wouldn't do, but isn't natural for dogs to kill?

Is there a different between a dog that kills rabbits, squires, duck/gees, chicken, vs. kitten?

How about hunters that kills bear because they simply wanted a rug?

Or, seal pups that club to death because their fur worth more money than their meat?
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Not necessarily. Domesticated dogs are more or less no longer true hunters, those that are animal aggressive as puppies should be trained otherwise. What happens though is many teach their dogs to kill.

Your points go all over the place though, in the end this was an execution...not for the sustainence for the dog.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Some animals will not eat anything unless they kill it themselves. You have to feed them live animals, or have some way to trick them into thinking a dead animal is alive.
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Not hard converting them to prekilled. There are plenty of articles and videos on the subject.
 
Doesn't seem much of a point of having a snake if you don't feed it live mice. Eating is about the only interesting thing they do.
 
nkgreen said:
Doesn't seem much of a point of having a snake if you don't feed it live mice. Eating is about the only interesting thing they do.
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That's silly.

If you're keeping a snake only for the purposes of wanting to see live feeding, then you shouldn't even own a snake IMO. Live feeding is generally considered irresponsible, because the animal may fight back and damage the snake:

Some damn good reasons why

A refreshing video by a snake owner
 
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