Man Faces Charges for "Wings on Pigs" Facebook post

[Jimzz]

There is literally hundred years of Supreme Court precedents showing this kinda stuff is NOT protected speech. See yelling fire in theater, inciting riot, "fighting words" etc.

I don't know where people get this idiotic notion that anything coming out of your mouth is constitutionally protected.

And you would be wrong, there is SC precedents showing he is protected.

Brandenburg Vs Ohio

"The Court held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is directed to inciting, and is likely to incite, imminent lawless action. Specifically, it struck down Ohio's criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advocacy of violence."

"Other courts consider a series of factors in determining whether speech constitutes a true threat, including (1) the reaction of the recipient of the speech; (2) whether the threat was conditional; (3) whether the speaker communicated the speech directly to the recipient; (4) whether the speaker had made similar statements in the past; and (5) whether the recipient had reason to believe the speaker could engage in violence."

He didn't actually make a threat, he just said "put wings on pigs". This is not a threat, thought it could be considered incitement to violence. However, incitement to violence is generally protected if there is no incitement to imminent harm.

 

[mizzou]

The laws may let you be a douchebag, that doesn't mean being a douchebag is right.

 

[ivwshane]

The laws may let you be a douchebag, that doesn't mean being a douchebag is right.

Who said it was right? John Allen strawman?

 

[cubby1223]

You can tell he is forward-thinking by the fact that his neck tattoo is backwards.

You can tell the AT&T corporation is forward-thinking by the fact their logo on their phone is written backwards

 

[mizzou]

Who said it was right? John Allen strawman?

I see a lot of people getting that revolution porn addiction. They want to throw the scarf over their face, throw the bricks at the tanks, and instagram their best friend bleeding from the face. #OUTRAAAGE #TIMETOKILL(FILLINBLANK)

Like we have any shit to really be outraged about here....just a bunch of self-fulfilled prophecies. This ain't nazi germany. This aint baghdad...and this sure as hell ain't the gaza strip.

I would argue...that no society ever in the history of the world will be as free as ours. We are a bunch of whiny spoiled brats crying bloody murder because we have to go to bed at a reasonable time or eat our vegetables. USA has it's set of issues, but when you compare them to issues other countries face, they are almost entirely self-created. Canada isn't exploiting us. We choose to guzzle foreign fuel. Britain hasn't spanked us since we were babies.

What do we really have the right to go out and incite violence over? So much crazy 9/11 conspiracy theory stuff being tossed around...and it makes me sick to my stomach when I see large groups perpetuate these myths.


So in my original reply that people have rights to be douchebags, but we don't have to accept it...my intent was to say that when someone publicly states they are going to perpetuate murder against an innocent person, I have zero problems with having that person investigated to see if it is a credible threat.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

The laws may let you be a douchebag, that doesn't mean being a douchebag is right.

Yup. There's a difference between legal and moral.

 

[trenchfoot]

You can tell he is forward-thinking by the fact that his neck tattoo is backwards.

I may be wrong, but without pondering on the possibility much, the thought crossed my mind that he may have taken a selfie of himself in front of a mirror.

But did you notice that he's got what looks like a hickey on his neck? Or is that a tattoo of a hickey? lol

Either way, I wouldn't get anywhere near the guy as I also noticed he is fully armed with a snot shovel/launcher on the pinky of the hand that's holding the phone. I simply wretch at the thought of getting tagged with a snot rocket.

 

[1prophet]

Freedom of speech or a "Threat To Commit a Crime"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kakUJARSOc

 

[rpsgc]

If the law says its a crime to threaten police publicly, then its a crime. The judge will apply an appropriate interpretation.

So if I say I'm going to slaughter a pig, that's a crime? Police self-identify as pigs now?


Next thing you know it's against the law to say anything negative about the fuzz.

 

[Ramses]

Next thing you know it's against the law to say anything negative about the fuzz.

Papers.. Papers please...

On a more serious note, Free Speech was probably great when most folks were decent people. Lot of things that were/are a good idea seem to not work so well anymore. I think I'd rather a d-bag be able to display his stupid than nobody be able to speak up freely. Tuff stuff.

 

[KK]

So if I say I'm going to slaughter a pig, that's a crime? Police self-identify as pigs now?


Next thing you know it's against the law to say anything negative about the fuzz.

The BBQ place I frequent has a poster that contains pigs with wings. Alot of the local police also frequent the establishment. Wonder if they'll insist the poster be removed.

 

[rpsgc]

Papers.. Papers please...

On a more serious note, Free Speech was probably great when most folks were decent people. Lot of things that were/are a good idea seem to not work so well anymore. I think I'd rather a d-bag be able to display his stupid than nobody be able to speak up freely. Tuff stuff.

As much as I loathe d-bags and whatnot, I'd rather deal with them than live in something resembling a police-state/no liberty.

The BBQ place I frequent has a poster that contains pigs with wings. Alot of the local police also frequent the establishment. Wonder if they'll insist the poster be removed.

Cannibals!

 

[Painman]

Chicopee police obviously have too much time on their hands to wring their hands over shit.

Pre-emptively arresting citizens over Facebook posts won't blow over well in this state. But then again I live in the Right part of the state, not the left one.

 

[MagickMan]

It's like the useless proggie douchebags around here, like McOwned, who have called for wealthy people to be "drug out of their mansions and killed". They're cowards and don't have the guts to ever do anything like that themselves, but they'd love nothing more than to see someone else do it.