Man Dies in Police Raid on Wrong House

[NoStateofMind]

Man Dies in Police Raid on Wrong House

A 61-year-old man was shot to death by

police while his wife was handcuffed in another room during a drug

raid on the wrong house.

Police admitted their mistake, saying faulty information from a drug informant contributed to the death of John Adams Wednesday night. They intended to raid the home next door.

The two officers, 25-year-old Kyle Shedran and 24-year-old Greg Day, were placed on administrative leave with pay.

“They need to get rid of those men, boys with toys,” said Adams’ 70-year-old widow, Loraine.

John Adams was watching television when his wife heard pounding on the door. Police claim they identified themselves and wore police jackets. Loraine Adams said she had no indication the men were police.

“I thought it was a home invasion. I said ‘Baby, get your gun!,” she said, sitting amid friends and relatives gathered at her home to cook and prepare for Sunday’s funeral.

Resident Fired First

Police say her husband fired first with a sawed-off shotgun and they responded. He was shot at least three times and died later at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville.

Loraine Adams said she was handcuffed and thrown to her knees in another room when the shooting began.

“I said, ‘Y’all have got the wrong person, you’ve got the wrong place. What are you looking for?“‘

“We did the best surveillance we could do, and a mistake was made,” Lebanon Police Chief Billy Weeks said. “It’s a very severe mistake, a costly mistake. It makes us look at our own policies and procedures to make sure this never occurs again.” He said, however, the two policemen were not at fault.

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation is investigating. NAACP officials said they are monitoring the case. Adams was black. The two policemen are white.

Family members did not consider race a factor and Weeks agreed, but said the shooting will be “a major setback” for police relations with the black community.

“We know that, we hope to do everything we can to heal it,” Weeks said.

Johnny Crudup, a local NAACP official, said the organization wanted to make sure and would investigate on its own.

Weeks said he has turned the search warrant and all other evidence over to the bureau of investigation and District Attorney General Tommy Thompson. A command officer must now review all search warrants.

It's okay because government did it. They have the right to initiate force and you do not.

Many will agree this is a horrible situation but will fail to realize the fundamental cause which will allow it to continue. You must realize by now that just acknowledging there is a problem without providing a solution is akin to sticking your head in the sand. It's time for us to hold everyone to the same standard. "Governments", "law enforcement" or "leaders" do not have more rights than you or I. How many of you will dare to question your masters?

I will.

 

[Nebor]

He had a sawed off shotgun. He was likely in commission of a federal felony in violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So the house next door is the best they could do? I mean, hey, at least they were close!

 

[Engineer]

He had a sawed off shotgun. He was likely in commission of a federal felony in violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934.

That's right. He deserved to be shot and killed in an illegal raid because he had an illegal gun.

 

[Venix]

Extremely old news. This happened 13 years ago.

One of the thugs responsible for the raid was fired and the city paid out a sizeable settlement to the widow.

 

[boochi]

Thank god for dead cops.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nebor View Post
He had a sawed off shotgun. He was likely in commission of a federal felony in violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934.
That's right. He deserved to be shot and killed in an illegal raid because he had an illegal gun.

Zing........Nebor should know better...

 

[NoStateofMind]

Extremely old news. This happened 13 years ago.

One of the thugs responsible for the raid was fired and the city paid out a sizeable settlement to the widow.

Yeah I didn't see a date on the website. Maybe I missed it. However, time does not make it right.

Also, what would have happened if a regular person (you know, the ones without extra rights) had done this? Just get fired? Fined?

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah I didn't see a date on the website. Maybe I missed it. However, time does not make it right.

Also, what would have happened if a regular person (you know, the ones without extra rights) had done this? Just get fired? Fined?

Desperate for your daily dose of anti-gubmint outrage, huh?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Desperate for your daily dose of anti-gubmint outrage, huh?

I saw the report and posted it. Only later did it come to light that it was old. But again that doesn't make what the cops did right. Would you like me to find a more recent story? You know they are out there you just want to make light of me. I expect that from you though.

 

[Jhhnn]

I saw the report and posted it. Only later did it come to light that it was old. But again that doesn't what the cops did right. Would you like me to find a more recent story? You know they are out there you just want to make light of me. I expect that from you though.

Maybe Obama will establish rehabs for right wing outrage addicts. Your craving for it and for confirmation from others similarly afflicted is truly pitiful.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Maybe Obama will establish rehabs for right wing outrage addicts. Your craving for it and for confirmation from others similarly afflicted is truly pitiful.

Would it hurt you to think once in a while?

 

[marvdmartian]

He had a sawed off shotgun. He was likely in commission of a federal felony in violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934.

And then again, he may not have been. According to the NFA:

Under the National Firearms Act (NFA), it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun (a shotgun with a barrel length shorter than 18 inches (46 cm) or an overall length shorter than 26 inches (66 cm)), without a tax-paid registration from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, requiring a background check and either a $200 or $5 tax for every transfer, depending upon the specific manufacturing circumstances of the particular sawed-off modern shotgun being transferred.

So there's NOTHING illegal with buying a shotgun with, say, a 26" barrel, then cutting that barrel down to 18.5", so long as the overall length of the shotgun doesn't go below the legal length of 26".

Since the police only identified it as a "sawed off shotgun", without saying whether it was legal or not, you're doing nothing more than assuming it was illegal. :hmm:

 

[ch33zw1z]

It doesn't matter how old the story is. This shit happens, it's real, and it's not going to stop until we hold law enforcement to the standard they should be held to.

 

[tydas]

What a shame...you would think that there would be smarter people running some of these offices...

 

[Dari]

It doesn't matter how old the story is. This shit happens, it's real, and it's not going to stop until we hold law enforcement to the standard they should be held to.

Which is what? This is no different from a company making a mistake. Somebody will get fired and the company will get sued/fined. If a company made a mistake, do you want the company to go out of business, costing massive employment for those who had nothing to do with the mistake? Same thing with government, the officers who killed the old man had nothing to do with the (bad) intel they were given. Why should they be punished severely for a mistake that was made elsewhere? No way should they go to prison and no way should the government go out of business

 

[ch33zw1z]

Which is what? This is no different from a company making a mistake. Somebody will get fired and the company will get sued/fined. If a company made a mistake, do you want the company to go out of business, costing massive employment for those who had nothing to do with the mistake? Same thing with government, the officers who killed the old man had nothing to do with the (bad) intel they were given. Why should they be punished severely for a mistake that was made elsewhere? No way should they go to prison and no way should the government go out of business

Anyone involved is responsible for this man's death. The officers involved in the shooting, the officers collecting bad intel, etc..

In your scenario, I would expect the company to hold the people responsible who are responsible. And make appropriate, company wide(translated to nation wide) changes to prevent it from happening again. There's more recent events like this as well.

This man was killed by officers looking to get a bust and put another notch in their belt for the war on drugs. No uniform, didn't identify themselves, and shit went wrong.

It gets even worse when no knock warrants are issued.

Our governing officials are putting themselves "out of business" by allowing nonsense like this to continue. The officers belong in jail, for sure.

Not to mention the fact that this IS different than a company making a mistake. If a company makes a mistake, I can choose not to shop there. Our government won't stop collecting taxes from me, even after your gunned down from misinformed officers.

edit: lol, I just realized who I was responding to, what a waste of time.

 

[Dari]

Anyone involved is responsible for this man's death. The officers involved in the shooting, the officers collecting bad intel, etc..

In your scenario, I would expect the company to hold the people responsible who are responsible. And make appropriate, company wide(translated to nation wide) changes to prevent it from happening again. There's more recent events like this as well.

This man was killed by officers looking to get a bust and put another notch in their belt for the war on drugs. No uniform, didn't identify themselves, and shit went wrong.

It gets even worse when no knock warrants are issued.

Our governing officials are putting themselves "out of business" by allowing nonsense like this to continue. The officers belong in jail, for sure.

Not to mention the fact that this IS different than a company making a mistake. If a company makes a mistake, I can choose not to shop there. Our government won't stop collecting taxes from me, even after your gunned down from misinformed officers.

edit: lol, I just realized who I was responding to, what a waste of time.

“We did the best surveillance we could do, and a mistake was made,” Lebanon Police Chief Billy Weeks said. “It’s a very severe mistake, a costly mistake. It makes us look at our own policies and procedures to make sure this never occurs again.” He said, however, the two policemen were not at fault.

Looks like you got what you wanted...three years ago. Also, Our government is a republic so if you don't like certain elements you can vote out those responsible or propose to have it changed by following the relevant procedures. Of course, a relevant majority would have to agree with you. Nothing is impossible.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, when police are tasked with enforcing stupid drug laws, they'll likely make more mistakes because of the nature of the information they have and the need to invade people's privacy to do so.

You Rightie-tighties *do* support strict drug prohibition laws, don't you? Of course you do, so things like this come with the territory as you want it to be. It's the law of unintended consequences, something Righties will never understand.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Looks like you got what you wanted...three years ago. Also, Our government is a republic so if you don't like certain elements you can vote out those responsible or propose to have it changed by following the relevant procedures. Of course, a relevant majority would have to agree with you. Nothing is impossible.

The best surveillance they could do? Yea, I'm sure those old couple had tons of traffic in and out of their place due to their dealing of drugs. Right, bullshit.

Law enforcement is responsible for the death of a law abiding citizen. it's not about what I want.

 

[Dari]

The best surveillance they could do? Yea, I'm sure those old couple had tons of traffic in and out of their place due to their dealing of drugs. Right, bullshit.

Law enforcement is responsible for the death of a law abiding citizen. it's not about what I want.

Law enforcement answers to the public. So, in theory, they work for you. If you don't like the rules, change it. You already know how. Stop bitching and acting like a fucking victim or like the government has its boots on your neck and start acting.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Law enforcement answers to the public. So, in theory, they work for you. If you don't like the rules, change it. You already know how. Stop bitching and acting like a fucking victim or like the government has its boots on your neck and start acting.

Hopefully none of us become victims like this guy did. It's not a crime to be outraged over senseless killing of law abiding citizens.

Who says I don't act? You're a jackass.

 

[Dari]

Hopefully none of us become victims like this guy did. It's not a crime to be outraged over senseless killing of law abiding citizens.

Who says I don't act? You're a jackass.

You mentioned standards in the post I originally responded to without providing more details. I asked you what exactly you wanted but got no response. You then went on to state that anyone involved in the man's death is responsible. Well, in theory, you are responsible since you elected the politicians that gave the LEOs the power to do what they do. That is my whole premise for being in this thread. You are the change you want to see in this world. If you feel something is wrong, change it.

 

[shira]

Even though this incident is an old one, it's worth saying:

This death is completely attributable to the totally wrong-headed belief that it's necessary to "stand your ground" with guns. I don't care if it's a real home invasion or a case of mistaken identity, if a resident whose home is being "invaded" refuses to use a gun, it's very unlikely anyone would be killed. But this macho "stand your ground" attitude gets lots of people killed that shouldn't have been killed.

 

[Dari]

Even though this incident is an old one, it's worth saying:

This death is completely attributable to the totally wrong-headed belief that it's necessary to "stand your ground" with guns. I don't care if it's a real home invasion or a case of mistaken identity, if a resident whose home is being "invaded" refuses to use a gun, it's very unlikely anyone would be killed. But this macho "stand your ground" attitude gets lots of people killed that shouldn't have been killed.

What? Everything happened as it should've, given the circumstances. He died defending his home. That is how his family will remember this incident and that's a good memory. It sure beats other ways for old people to go.

Also, do you prefer to live on your knees instead of dying on your feet?