man dies after NYPD cop puts him in chokehold

[Jaskalas]

I'm sure he could have been having trouble breathing. But how exactly is a cop supposed to know that when the guy keeps yelling at the cop? Are cops supposed to believe everything they are being told by someone they are attempting to arrest now?

Maybe they should believe the long history of choke holds killing people, especially large people.

 

[Jaskalas]

They didn't choke this man to death so I'm not sure where you draw that conclusion from besides your bshole.

Had they choked him to death, I would have expected a criminal indictment.

Now you're just being stupid. There's no criminal indictment because it's LEGAL for cops to kill people! Thus we need to demand change. We need protests.

HOMICIDE: Medical examiner says NYPD chokehold killed Staten Island dad Eric Garner

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

They didn't choke this man to death so I'm not sure where you draw that conclusion from besides your bshole.

Had they choked him to death, I would have expected a criminal indictment.

Well he wasn't choking on his own accord. I believe he had some assistance with choking by the helpful members of the nypd.

How the fuck can anyone look at this video and not see that it was beyond reasonable force?

 

[lotus503]

I do have to say that I am pretty happy about the fact this particular case doesn't seem to run down partisan lines. My conservative friends think this was excessive force.

 

[Ichinisan]

The crime was about as petty as selling dimebags of weed.

If it's about 'harm' from the product, then they should unplug every soda vending machine in the city.

If it's about breaking the law for selling tobacco, there's no reason to escalate it to violence.

I would say it's even less severe than selling dimebags of weed.

 

[bshole]

I do have to say that I am pretty happy about the fact this particular case doesn't seem to run down partisan lines. My conservative friends think this was excessive force.

Our local radio station conservative pundits said there should have been an indictment based on the video ALONE.

 

[HomerJS]

Sorry, I don't get it. How does one have enough air to waste on shouting but not on living? Also, how is a cop supposed to be able to make a judgment on weather or not a person is getting enough air to live especially when that person is yelling at them?

If someone is yelling at me, I'm not too concerned about their oxygen supply.

Try it. Put a small plastic bag over your head and pinch at the neck. You will be able to yell for a brief period of time yet be unable to inhale.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

And if they decide that the police did nothing wrong, does that mean the system is still broken/corrupt?

I italicized if since I really don't know which way they will decide.

- Merg

Yes, this and other videos clearly show that the police can and do get away with killing people.

But to you, it's still a few bad apples, and clearly not a problem, amirite?

 

[lotus503]

Try it. Put a small plastic bag over your head and pinch at the neck. You will be able to yell for a brief period of time yet be unable to inhale.

I would like to offer my assistance to Biff in conducting this experiment. :biggrin:

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Look at this lady acting like a thug:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x_hwK-cwoE

Updated report:
http://mynewsla.com/government/2014/12/03/woman-allegedly-thrown-ground-lapd-gets-550k-settlement/

Of course, the cop wasn't charged. I wonder why?

 

[The Merg]

The second the guy said 'i cant breathe' they should have gotten off of him, for fucking humanities sake. This was not a violent confrontation until they made it violent.

The police can't just let go of him because he says that. Think of how often people get arrest-icitis and start saying things to keep from being arrested. The police need to finish getting the person arrested first and then they can assess the situation.

The crime was about as petty as selling dimebags of weed.

If it's about 'harm' from the product, then they should unplug every soda vending machine in the city.

If it's about breaking the law for selling tobacco, there's no reason to escalate it to violence.

The amount of force escalated since they told him he was under arrest and kept pulling away from them when they tried to take his hands to put handcuffs on him. He towered over each and every one of them there. How exactly were they supposed to get him in handcuffs if he is resisting arrest (and pulling your hands away and not letting yourself be handcuffed is resisting arrest)?

- Merg

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The police can't just let go of him because he says that. Think of how often people get arrest-icitis and start saying things to keep from being arrested. The police need to finish getting the person arrested first and then they can assess the situation.

And if a few minorities have to die in the process, that's a small price to pay to ensure that we have a solid arrest procedure in place.

 

[xBiffx]

Now you're just being stupid. There's no criminal indictment because it's LEGAL for cops to kill people! Thus we need to demand change. We need protests.

HOMICIDE: Medical examiner says NYPD chokehold killed Staten Island dad Eric Garner

No, you are the one being stupid with a statement like that.

There is no criminal indictment because although the actions of police can lead to the death of people that doesn't mean that the police acted criminally. Like the author of the news article pointed out, you can easy cause the death of someone without committing a crime. That happens all the time.

The ME report did not say the actions of the cop caused the death. The report said the actions could have led to the death. That isn't the same thing. It also said that other factors likely added to the death, like the man's previous medical history and his weight.

 

[ivwshane]

The police can't just let go of him because he says that. Think of how often people get arrest-icitis and start saying things to keep from being arrested. The police need to finish getting the person arrested first and then they can assess the situation.



The amount of force escalated since they told him he was under arrest and kept pulling away from them when they tried to take his hands to put handcuffs on him. He towered over each and every one of them there. How exactly were they supposed to get him in handcuffs if he is resisting arrest (and pulling your hands away and not letting yourself be handcuffed is resisting arrest)?

- Merg

What part of "the cop used an illegal procedure to subdue the suspect" don't you fucking get!

It's funny how you want a 12 year old to take responsibility for his actions and yet you haven't once asked the same for this officer or the one that killed Gardner. Perhaps you should go back to your pro cop forum and come up with some better excuses.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The ME report did not say the actions of the cop caused the death. The report said the actions led to the death. That isn't the same thing. It also said that other factors likely added to the death, like the man's previous medical history and his weight.

"Led to" is a synonym of "caused" you dumbass.

 

[The Merg]

And if a few minorities have to die in the process, that's a small price to pay to ensure that we have a solid arrest procedure in place.

It has nothing to do with minorities or race. If you are being arrested and you are/were resisting and then you start yelling that you are being hurt, the cops are not going to stop the arrest procedure until you are handcuffed.

- Merg

 

[xBiffx]

Cops should have known by maybe the 5th or 6th time he said he was having trouble breathing while he was in a choke hold. No they shouldn't believe everything, but should take safety issues seriously.

So he says it once, its ok not to believe him but if he says he 5 or 6 times, its safe to start believing him? Do you have any idea how silly that sounds? What about if he only says it 3 times or 4?

If a cop knows anything, they know that most people say many things and some people say anything to avoid being arrested. But hey, next time a cop tries to arrest someone guilty of something and they say they didn't do anything wrong 5 or 6 times I'll expect that they are being honest and mean it that the suspect should be let go.

 

[cubby1223]

I think the term homicide does mean death caused by the actions of another person, but homicide does not equate to criminal action. Some homicides are criminal actions, some homicides are non-criminal actions, the use of the word does not imply a crime.

 

[xBiffx]

"Led to" is a synonym of "caused" you dumbass.

Could have led to is not the same as caused. There were also other contributing factors that the ME mentioned but its so much easier to ignore those because they go against the what caused the death argument.

 

[The Merg]

What part of "the cop used an illegal procedure to subdue the suspect" don't you fucking get!

It's funny how you want a 12 year old to take responsibility for his actions and yet you haven't once asked the same for this officer or the one that killed Gardner. Perhaps you should go back to your pro cop forum and come up with some better excuses.

How about that it is not an illegal procedure? The procedure is not allowed by policy. That does not mean that it was not illegal.

As for taking responsibility, why is there nothing on that fact that you have a grown man here that the police say is under arrest and he resists them? Shouldn't he be responsible enough to understand the police? He pulls his hands away from them, not once, but twice when they try to handcuff him.

- Merg

 

[mikeymikec]

For the next idiot who mentions the alleged crime as being relevant to the cops' reaction, listen carefully:

You live in a country where the police are supposed to hand over those SUSPECTED of a crime, along with the evidence, to the justice system.

To spell it out more carefully, the police are not the judges of who is innocent and who is guilty, they don't get to decide what punishment to administer.

So whether they think they've just apprehended a modern-day Adolf Hitler or whether they suspect someone is guilty of jaywalking, or anywhere in between, dishing out punishment is not meant to be part of their job description.

That's aside from the fact that the chokehold used is illegal (at least according to reuters), I'm pretty sure it's illegal in the UK too. Ask yourself, should a police officer be doing something illegal?

 

[The Merg]

So he says it once, its ok not to believe him but if he says he 5 or 6 times, its safe to start believing him? Do you have any idea how silly that sounds? What about if he only says it 3 times or 4?

If a cop knows anything, they know that most people say many things and some people say anything to avoid being arrested. But hey, next time a cop tries to arrest someone guilty of something and they say they didn't do anything wrong 5 or 6 times I'll expect that they are being honest and mean it that the suspect should be let go.

Well, if you say it enough times, it must be true. </s>

- Merg

 

[ivwshane]

And if a few minorities have to die in the process, that's a small price to pay to ensure that we have a solid arrest procedure in place.

And because the law was broken the full force of the officers actions was warranted! Cops should never weigh the crime that was committed with the type of force that should be used! Sell cigarettes illegally? A chokehold and death is A ok! Jay walk? That's a chokehold and death for you! Run a red light? You better duck because the cops have every right to stop you with their bullets! Play outside with a toy gun without the orange tip?! Well kid! You deserve to fucking die for that! Talk on a cellphone in a store while carrying around store merchandise? Well that's not illegal...but fuck! If you are black you are probably about to do something illegal! The cops have every right to prevent crimes too!

--merg

/s

 

[HomerJS]

Well, if you say it enough times, it must be true. </s>

- Merg

Cop only has to say "I feared for my life" once and they are automatically believed.

 

[xBiffx]

I think the term homicide does mean death caused by the actions of another person, but homicide does not equate to criminal action. Some homicides are criminal actions, some homicides are non-criminal actions, the use of the word does not imply a crime.

Exactly.

Also, saying the cop isn't guilty of a crime doesn't mean he is innocent either. Which is exactly what I have been saying. The cop isn't getting off completely on this one, he just isn't going to be found guilty of a crime.