Man arrested for photographing police from his doorstep. . .

[episodic]

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There seems like 4th amendment issues here. The family is pressing for a full investigaton. The news has got the ACLU involved.

What is your take? I've always understood that if you could see it, then you could photograph it. This man was on his property photographing action going on in a neighbor's yard.

It is very interesting what he was told during the course of being arrested, and now some of it has changed. . .

 

[Genx87]

I'd wait for the facts to come out on this one. Right now we are mostly hearing from his side with the police denying the accusations.

if what he said is true, the officers need to be disciplined.
But I have a feeling there is more to the story than what is being told.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I'd wait for the facts to come out on this one. Right now we are mostly hearing from his side with the police denying the accusations.

if what he said is true, the officers need to be disciplined.
But I have a feeling there is more to the story than what is being told.

There is always the rest of the story that gets convienently ignored

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Genx87
I'd wait for the facts to come out on this one. Right now we are mostly hearing from his side with the police denying the accusations.

if what he said is true, the officers need to be disciplined.
But I have a feeling there is more to the story than what is being told.

There is always the rest of the story that gets convienently ignored

Heres a good one. I grew up in Philadelphia so I know the mentality of many police there. I have no reason to believe it's changed.

I was 14 and outside of my school. A police car pulls up, and the cop on the passenger side jumps out and starts to beat the living ****** out of me. I vaguely remember the other cop saying something like "not him, the guy up the street".

I was left dazed and bloodied. I wonder how they would have treated anyone taking a pic of that?

 

[tommywishbone]

It's 2006 in America... the police can do anything they want. The end.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Genx87
I'd wait for the facts to come out on this one. Right now we are mostly hearing from his side with the police denying the accusations.

if what he said is true, the officers need to be disciplined.
But I have a feeling there is more to the story than what is being told.

There is always the rest of the story that gets convienently ignored

Heres a good one. I grew up in Philadelphia so I know the mentality of many police there. I have no reason to believe it's changed.

I was 14 and outside of my school. A police car pulls up, and the cop on the passenger side jumps out and starts to beat the living ****** out of me. I vaguely remember the other cop saying something like "not him, the guy up the street".

I was left dazed and bloodied. I wonder how they would have treated anyone taking a pic of that?

...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
It's 2006 in America... the police can do anything they want. The end.

The Police said it's a new Law.

Police told him that he broke a new law that prohibits people from taking pictures of police with cell phones.

Is that The Patriot Act?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Genx87
I'd wait for the facts to come out on this one. Right now we are mostly hearing from his side with the police denying the accusations.

if what he said is true, the officers need to be disciplined.
But I have a feeling there is more to the story than what is being told.

There is always the rest of the story that gets convienently ignored

So let's see . . . why don't you READ the account before siding with the police.

Person on their property is taking pictures.

Some of the pictures happen to be of police on adjacent property.

Police then go onto HIS property and arrest him for obstructing them. This account is confirmed by a WITNESS.

Cruz said that when he heard a commotion, he walked out of his back door with his cell phone to see what was happening. He said that when he saw the street lined with police cars, he decided to take a picture of the scene.

"I opened (the phone) and took a shot," Cruz said.

Moments later, Cruz said he got the shock of his life when an officer came to his back yard gate.

"He opened the gate and took me by my right hand," Cruz said.

Cruz's account

A neighbor said she witnessed the incident and could not believe what she saw.

"He opened up the gate and Neffy was coming down and he went up to Neffy, pulled him down, had Neffy on the car and was telling him, 'You should have just went in the house and minded your own business instead of trying to take pictures off your picture phone,'" said Gerrell Martin.

Cruz said police told him that he broke a new law that prohibits people from taking pictures of police with cell phones.

"They threatened to charge me with conspiracy, impeding an investigation, obstruction of a investigation. ? They said, 'You were impeding this investigation.' (I asked,) "By doing what?' (The officer said,) 'By taking a picture of the police officers with a camera phone,'" Cruz said.

Cruz's parents, who got him out of jail, said police told them the same thing.

"He said he was taking pictures with his cell phone and that was obstructing an investigation," said Aracelis Cruz, Neftaly Cruz's mother.

The neighbor's account . . . followed by Cruz's mother being told about the same law? at the police station.

Alright then comes the 'truthiness' . . .

Police told Hairston that they did take Cruz into to custody, but they said Cruz was not on his property when they arrested him. Police also denied that they told Cruze he was breaking the law with his cell phone. Cruz's famly said it has filed a formal complaint with the police department's Internal Affairs division and are requesting a complete investigation.

The cop takes him by the hand . . . to the car . . . THEN he arrested him! You gotta love 'protect and serve.':roll:

IMO, most cops do a good job and a poorly compensated. But this guy is a tool. They were allegedly there to arrest a drug dealer . . . and get a college student with a cell phone?

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Genx87
I'd wait for the facts to come out on this one. Right now we are mostly hearing from his side with the police denying the accusations.

if what he said is true, the officers need to be disciplined.
But I have a feeling there is more to the story than what is being told.

There is always the rest of the story that gets convienently ignored

So let's see . . . why don't you READ the account before siding with the police.

Person on their property is taking pictures.

Some of the pictures happen to be of police on adjacent property.

Police then go onto HIS property and arrest him for obstructing them. This account is confirmed by a WITNESS.

Cruz said that when he heard a commotion, he walked out of his back door with his cell phone to see what was happening. He said that when he saw the street lined with police cars, he decided to take a picture of the scene.

"I opened (the phone) and took a shot," Cruz said.

Moments later, Cruz said he got the shock of his life when an officer came to his back yard gate.

"He opened the gate and took me by my right hand," Cruz said.

Cruz's account

A neighbor said she witnessed the incident and could not believe what she saw.

"He opened up the gate and Neffy was coming down and he went up to Neffy, pulled him down, had Neffy on the car and was telling him, 'You should have just went in the house and minded your own business instead of trying to take pictures off your picture phone,'" said Gerrell Martin.

Cruz said police told him that he broke a new law that prohibits people from taking pictures of police with cell phones.

"They threatened to charge me with conspiracy, impeding an investigation, obstruction of a investigation. ? They said, 'You were impeding this investigation.' (I asked,) "By doing what?' (The officer said,) 'By taking a picture of the police officers with a camera phone,'" Cruz said.

Cruz's parents, who got him out of jail, said police told them the same thing.

"He said he was taking pictures with his cell phone and that was obstructing an investigation," said Aracelis Cruz, Neftaly Cruz's mother.

The neighbor's account . . . followed by Cruz's mother being told about the same law? at the police station.

Alright then comes the 'truthiness' . . .

Police told Hairston that they did take Cruz into to custody, but they said Cruz was not on his property when they arrested him. Police also denied that they told Cruze he was breaking the law with his cell phone. Cruz's famly said it has filed a formal complaint with the police department's Internal Affairs division and are requesting a complete investigation.

The cop takes him by the hand . . . to the car . . . THEN he arrested him! You gotta love 'protect and serve.':roll:

IMO, most cops do a good job and a poorly compensated. But this guy is a tool. They were allegedly there to arrest a drug dealer . . . and get a college student with a cell phone?

Well, they gotta fill their quotas. Anyone will do.

 

[Lazy8s]

half the story = half the truth always

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Lazy8s
half the story = half the truth always

No, not always...the truth can come from either side.

 

[phantom309]

So I guess if the Rodney King incedent happened today, the guy who took the video would be in jail, and the police would never be subjected to any public scrutiny. I can see why our current leadership would want that.

 

[Jaskalas]

When you open your eyes, you?ll find police acting worse than the British did to us, congress supporting them through patriot acts, and a free people that are no longer free.

We had a tea party for less than we witness today.

Yet these abuses are made by those recruited from the general population, so there's an inherent level of acceptance for it that can not and will not change unless the people wise up.

 

[Fingolfin269]

This is the kind of crap that makes me glad that some of my friends are lawyers. I think they would enjoy this case almost as much as I would.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Genx87
I'd wait for the facts to come out on this one. Right now we are mostly hearing from his side with the police denying the accusations.

if what he said is true, the officers need to be disciplined.
But I have a feeling there is more to the story than what is being told.

There is always the rest of the story that gets convienently ignored

So let's see . . . why don't you READ the account before siding with the police.

Person on their property is taking pictures.

Some of the pictures happen to be of police on adjacent property.

Police then go onto HIS property and arrest him for obstructing them. This account is confirmed by a WITNESS.

Cruz said that when he heard a commotion, he walked out of his back door with his cell phone to see what was happening. He said that when he saw the street lined with police cars, he decided to take a picture of the scene.

"I opened (the phone) and took a shot," Cruz said.

Moments later, Cruz said he got the shock of his life when an officer came to his back yard gate.

"He opened the gate and took me by my right hand," Cruz said.

Cruz's account

A neighbor said she witnessed the incident and could not believe what she saw.

"He opened up the gate and Neffy was coming down and he went up to Neffy, pulled him down, had Neffy on the car and was telling him, 'You should have just went in the house and minded your own business instead of trying to take pictures off your picture phone,'" said Gerrell Martin.

Cruz said police told him that he broke a new law that prohibits people from taking pictures of police with cell phones.

"They threatened to charge me with conspiracy, impeding an investigation, obstruction of a investigation. ? They said, 'You were impeding this investigation.' (I asked,) "By doing what?' (The officer said,) 'By taking a picture of the police officers with a camera phone,'" Cruz said.

Cruz's parents, who got him out of jail, said police told them the same thing.

"He said he was taking pictures with his cell phone and that was obstructing an investigation," said Aracelis Cruz, Neftaly Cruz's mother.

The neighbor's account . . . followed by Cruz's mother being told about the same law? at the police station.

Alright then comes the 'truthiness' . . .

Police told Hairston that they did take Cruz into to custody, but they said Cruz was not on his property when they arrested him. Police also denied that they told Cruze he was breaking the law with his cell phone. Cruz's famly said it has filed a formal complaint with the police department's Internal Affairs division and are requesting a complete investigation.

The cop takes him by the hand . . . to the car . . . THEN he arrested him! You gotta love 'protect and serve.':roll:

IMO, most cops do a good job and a poorly compensated. But this guy is a tool. They were allegedly there to arrest a drug dealer . . . and get a college student with a cell phone?

I love how you assume me wanting to get the facts means I am on the side of the police.

ASSUmptions for 250 alex?

As for the police's account of the situation, since when do we automatically side against the police? Like I said, I am waiting on the full facts.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: phantom309
So I guess if the Rodney King incedent happened today, the guy who took the video would be in jail, and the police would never be subjected to any public scrutiny. I can see why our current leadership would want that.

Ding ding ding, we have a winnar Alex

 

[babylon5]

This is wiping out the freedom of press. And you think these kind of things could happen only in fascist dictatorship like China.

Fighting for Freedom? We are losing it bit by bit.

 

[PrinceofWands]

That's an easy one: fire every officer involved and prohibit them from EVER holding a public position again.

If the politicians refuse, shoot every politician involved, replace them with reasonable people, then fire every officer involved and prohibit them from EVER holding a public position again.

 

[sandorski]

Sounds like the law only prohibits cell phones, which is stupid. If the guiy used a regular digital camera he'd be clear?

 

[wirelessenabled]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Genx87
I'd wait for the facts to come out on this one. Right now we are mostly hearing from his side with the police denying the accusations.

if what he said is true, the officers need to be disciplined.
But I have a feeling there is more to the story than what is being told.

There is always the rest of the story that gets convienently ignored

So let's see . . . why don't you READ the account before siding with the police.

Person on their property is taking pictures.

Some of the pictures happen to be of police on adjacent property.

Police then go onto HIS property and arrest him for obstructing them. This account is confirmed by a WITNESS.

Cruz said that when he heard a commotion, he walked out of his back door with his cell phone to see what was happening. He said that when he saw the street lined with police cars, he decided to take a picture of the scene.

"I opened (the phone) and took a shot," Cruz said.

Moments later, Cruz said he got the shock of his life when an officer came to his back yard gate.

"He opened the gate and took me by my right hand," Cruz said.

Cruz's account

A neighbor said she witnessed the incident and could not believe what she saw.

"He opened up the gate and Neffy was coming down and he went up to Neffy, pulled him down, had Neffy on the car and was telling him, 'You should have just went in the house and minded your own business instead of trying to take pictures off your picture phone,'" said Gerrell Martin.

Cruz said police told him that he broke a new law that prohibits people from taking pictures of police with cell phones.

"They threatened to charge me with conspiracy, impeding an investigation, obstruction of a investigation. ? They said, 'You were impeding this investigation.' (I asked,) "By doing what?' (The officer said,) 'By taking a picture of the police officers with a camera phone,'" Cruz said.

Cruz's parents, who got him out of jail, said police told them the same thing.

"He said he was taking pictures with his cell phone and that was obstructing an investigation," said Aracelis Cruz, Neftaly Cruz's mother.

The neighbor's account . . . followed by Cruz's mother being told about the same law? at the police station.

Alright then comes the 'truthiness' . . .

Police told Hairston that they did take Cruz into to custody, but they said Cruz was not on his property when they arrested him. Police also denied that they told Cruze he was breaking the law with his cell phone. Cruz's famly said it has filed a formal complaint with the police department's Internal Affairs division and are requesting a complete investigation.

The cop takes him by the hand . . . to the car . . . THEN he arrested him! You gotta love 'protect and serve.':roll:

IMO, most cops do a good job and a poorly compensated. But this guy is a tool. They were allegedly there to arrest a drug dealer . . . and get a college student with a cell phone?

I love how you assume me wanting to get the facts means I am on the side of the police.

ASSUmptions for 250 alex?

As for the police's account of the situation, since when do we automatically side against the police? Like I said, I am waiting on the full facts.

Simple ...... police have the power ............ police need to be watched much more carefully than the average Joe.

Keep firmly in mind. Police psychological profile is indistinguisable from the criminals. Keep two eyes on them and shoot all the film you can.:camera:

 

[tommywishbone]

Power to the people. Death to the pigs.

 

[daveshel]

Society only produces so many individuals who will be cops for the right reasons. We have more than that now.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: phantom309
So I guess if the Rodney King incedent happened today, the guy who took the video would be in jail, and the police would never be subjected to any public scrutiny. I can see why our current leadership would want that.

Ding ding ding, we have a winnar Alex

The press had a field day with the Rodney King incident, and our government doesn't want such bad PR getting in the way of them fighting the terrorists. Surely you don't side with the terrorsts?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: daveshel
Society only produces so many individuals who will be cops for the right reasons. We have more than that now.

I disagree. No matter how few cops you have there will be people who want to do it for the wrong reasons; and the fact that such corrupt people do work as cops, as well as over cops, discourages people who would otherwise be interested in working as a cop for the right reasons. Athough obviously the best way to work towards mantianing good cops is to thin the herd of the bad ones by booting them off the force.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Let's see the irrefutable facts:

1) According to the police, they were in the neighborhood to get a drug dealer.

2) Yet the story is about a college student next door arrested for obstruction of justice.

3) A WITNESS corroborates Cruz's story.

4) According to the police, he was taken into custody and they claim he wasn't on his property when arrested. The latter detail appears to be 'truthiness' in light of the details given by the witness.

5) Cruz claims the arresting officer cited a NEW cellphone camera law.

6) The police response is they made no such claim.

7) The police explanation for the arrest . . . exactly!