Man arrested after posting FB photo with baby while holding a bb gun

[Jeffg010]

I came into this thread to say that TOM is fucking idiot.

That is all.

 

[Cerb]

I came into this thread to say that TOM is fucking idiot.

That is all.

I'm more a fan of, "give them enough rope," which other posters have been doing really well.

 

[f1sherman]

You guys can mock this all you want. But as someone who is very much in favor of gun rights, I see idiots like this guy as a HUGE part of the problem. Specifically *because* people tend to overreact when they see stuff like this. It makes gun owners look irresponsible.

And IMO, this guy is a complete idiot, regardless of whether or not the arrest was justifiable. There is no excuse for playing around with any sort of gun when there are young children around. Period. End of discussion, as far as I am concerned. And that he posted it on Facebook only shows that he's not just an idiot, but an *extreme* idiot.

We Nintendo owners and Constitution paladins need to stick for each other.

The proper thing to say is:
The man was only exercising his 2nd amendment rights.

 

[rommelrommel]

You guys can mock this all you want. But as someone who is very much in favor of gun rights, I see idiots like this guy as a HUGE part of the problem. Specifically *because* people tend to overreact when they see stuff like this. It makes gun owners look irresponsible.

And IMO, this guy is a complete idiot, regardless of whether or not the arrest was justifiable. There is no excuse for playing around with any sort of gun when there are young children around. Period. End of discussion, as far as I am concerned. And that he posted it on Facebook only shows that he's not just an idiot, but an *extreme* idiot.

Dafuq? What he did was not illegal. What he did was not dangerous. Even if you think he's an idiot for whatever reason, he's free to be an idiot.

At what age does it become acceptable for for a child to be within a certain proximity of a BB gun?

 

[stormkroe]

Good points. I should have been more clear I was referring to "endangering" in terms of the law and who decides when a child is "endangered" as far as the law is concerned.

Quick question for you Tomster, do you feel that Feinstein was 'endangering' the huge crowd around her when she had her finger on the trigger of an AK? PLEASE answer this, it will go a long way for establishing credibility for you (depending on your answer).
I hope other posters encourage you to answer this question.
Thanks in advance.

 

[TerryMathews]

BB gun, Pellet gun, same basic thing.

Nope. Not even close.

 

[piasabird]

"You'll shoot your eye out!"

He should be arrested for having a fully automatic AK-47

They dont know the difference between an AK-47 and an M-16?

What a stupid poster.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I bet more kids fall off counters and hurt themselves each year than people who are injured with BB guns. I also would be inclined to say injuries from cheese graters are into the thousands annually.

It's more than just counters though. Without going in to the story, I was running around my parents house as a kid (maybe 3-4 years old) fell and cut my eyelid on a door hinge (don't ask how. I don't know.) I had to get stiches. In my eyelid.

BAN DOOR HINGES. Because THEY HURT ME.

 

[monovillage]

I do like Mark Twain's advice to youth about unloaded weapons.

Don't meddle with old unloaded firearms. They are the most deadly and unerring things that have ever been created by man. You don't have to take any pains at all with them; you don't have to have a rest, you don't have to have any sights on the gun, you don't have to take aim, even. No, you just pick out a relative and bang away, and you are sure to get him. A youth who can't hit a cathedral at thirty yards with a Gatling gun in three-quarters of an hour, can take up an old empty musket and bag his mother every time at a hundred. Think what Waterloo would have been if one of the armies had been boys armed with old rusty muskets supposed not to be loaded, and the other army had been composed of their female relations. The very thought of it makes me shudder.
- Advice to Youth speech, 4/15/1882 by Mark Twain

 

[Tom]

Quick question for you Tomster, do you feel that Feinstein was 'endangering' the huge crowd around her when she had her finger on the trigger of an AK? PLEASE answer this, it will go a long way for establishing credibility for you (depending on your answer).
I hope other posters encourage you to answer this question.
Thanks in advance.

I don't give a rats ass what credibility I have with you.

As far as your credibility with me, your standard is apparently if people trying to score political points about their opponent, make unsubstantiated claims based on a single photo, that you take that as the truth.

Show me some substantiation that its actually a fact her finger was on the trigger and that she did not know if it was loaded or unloaded and I'll give you an answer.

 

[Tom]

That is t6otal BS!! The only insight the babies mom had was she is a bitter woman seeking to hurt her former husband!!

So insight you babbling idiot!!

The only way you can say that is if that's your opinion about women in general.

I don't have that opinion about women.

I'm aware that its possible for a man or a woman to falsely accuse their spouse in the midst of a bad relationship.

However, the Mom is not the person who decided there was sufficient grounds to make a charge. Now the fact there's a charge doesn't mean he's guilty, I never said anything like that.

What it means is there's an issue to be resolved, which is where I differ with those who make assumptions.

 

[stormkroe]

I don't give a rats ass what credibility I have with you.

As far as your credibility with me, your standard is apparently if people trying to score political points about their opponent, make unsubstantiated claims based on a single photo, that you take that as the truth.

Show me some substantiation that its actually a fact her finger was on the trigger and that she did not know if it was loaded or unloaded and I'll give you an answer.

Immortalized as exhibit A.

Thanks for dodging with the power of irony.

 

[Agent11]

Epic ironing.

 

[Tom]

Immortalized as exhibit A.

Thanks for dodging with the power of irony.

I'm not dodging. You are saying certain things happened and what do I think about it. I've looked for information about this very issue and have never come across anything except opinion pieces that rely on their self-serving conclusions about that photo to attack their opponent.

That isn't the basis for assuming something is true. I ask you for substantiation that what you claim happened, happened.

Where is it ?

 

[Jeffg010]

Here you go tom you better call the cops on this kid. You Quack.

 

[Tom]

Here you go tom you better call the cops on this kid. You Quack.

I already said I would not have called the cops about the photo this thread is about.

So why would I call the cops about this photo ?

 

[OutHouse]

this guy is a complete idiot, regardless of whether or not the arrest was justifiable. There is no excuse for playing around with any sort of gun when there are young children around. Period. End of discussion, as far as I am concerned.

why is it so evil? my son at that age sat at the table with me while i cleaned my 9mm's. i dont get why people flip out over this, people like you act like they just threw the kid in a pit full of rattlesnakes. fucking stupid over reaction if you ask me.

my son is 14 now and can shoot, disassemble, clean, lube, reassemble said 9mm's like a pro now. makes me a proud daddy.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

why is it so evil? my son at that age sat at the table with me while i cleaned my 9mm's. i dont get why people flip out over this, people like you act like they just threw the kid in a pit full of rattlesnakes. fucking stupid over reaction if you ask me.

my son is 14 now and can shoot, disassemble, clean, lube, reassemble said 9mm's like a pro now. makes me a proud daddy.

My grandfather taught me to shoot when I was 5. He took me out in the woods with a soon to be illegal (if some have their way) .22 but before I touched it he went through the "drill", which included a very very detailed description of what not to do as well as what was permitted. Until he was certain that I understood I didn't get to touch it, and I was closely supervised. Granted he was an extraordinary man in teaching responsibility and understanding what I could understand, but it flies in the face of blanket statements.

I don't know what really happened, but regardless of our speculation what we have to go on is a picture that the police referenced as evidence of willful wrongdoing. Based on that no child should ever be allowed in a kitchen, certainly while the mother is cooking and should never be taught how to prepare a meal until they are 16 or whatever. There's more real danger there than in simply holding a BB gun. Note I don't endorse forbidding teaching children how to cook, and doing so when supervised.

In any case, stupid or not, the reaction of the police based on the evidence we have was an abuse of authoritative power.

 

[Subyman]

I think the bigger issue here is Facebook. Why give law enforcement any cause to turn their ire toward you? Anything can be misconstrued these days. Even the news anchor couldn't help himself, he had to call it a pistol.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think the bigger issue here is Facebook. Why give law enforcement any cause to turn their ire toward you? Anything can be misconstrued these days. Even the news anchor couldn't help himself, he had to call it a pistol.

One of the dumbest things to come about is Facebook and social apps in general. To be sure they can be used for keeping in touch with others, and in principle I haven't an objection to their being available, but I do have to raise an eyebrow when I consider how it's being regarded and used. Someone having a cow because they were removed from a "friend" list? Posting personal information in such detail that others find out and adverse consequences result? That ought to be expected, but there's this apparent shock on the part of some that it happens. So I'll amend my initial comment to say that we have a continuation on the part of some to take a perfectly reasonable means of interaction and use it to do the dumbest things imaginable.

The ability of the mind to compartmentalize imagined privacy from reality when posting in one of the most public medium known is amazing.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Egads, now I have to make bagels.