Man and dog die after being trapped in Corvette

[Rustler]

technology kills...........................

 

[Jaskalas]

I don't understand why they would implement this locking mechanism. I see no upside to it and huge downsides, like the one in the link.

Change for the sake of change. Gotta have a new car model every year.

 

[RampantAndroid]

I don't understand why they would implement this locking mechanism. I see no upside to it and huge downsides, like the one in the link.

It stops you from breaking a window, reaching in and unlocking the car. The car will remain locked without a keyfob. I get what they're doing...I just wish the default was to not deadlock, and then two clicks would deadlock.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I can't believe it has to be stated again.

Corvettes don't have handles on the doors. They have a button (this requires power to operate). They have a handle tucked on the floor though to exit the car if power is lost. It has nothing to do with a "locked inside door handle" or anything of the like. The button takes power. The handle is there to use if power is unavailable for whatever reason.

This just seems like the answer to a question nobody ever asked.

Is killing your customers an acceptable trade-off for whatever benefit this provides?

 

[master_shake_]

This just seems like the answer to a question nobody ever asked.

Is killing your customers an acceptable trade-off for whatever benefit this provides?

gm didn't kill this guy or his dog.

they did not facilitate the weapon used to kill him.

there is an out its built in to the car.

rtfm.

 

[MrPickins]

A normal 70 yr old that competes in powerlifting...

Normal 70 year olds don't compete in powerlifting.

Any 70 yr old who consistently trains his legs will be able to kick out a car window from the inside if desperate enough.

Again, not at all normal.

 

[darkswordsman17]

With regards to the deadbolting using the keyfob, the thing is, if you break the window you can still get into the car so how does that accomplish anything? Its a minor hindrance for someone wanting access. What are the chances that someone is trying to steal your car, got into it, and shut the door with you nearby enough to lock it with the keyfob? Oh and also that they wouldn't have tools that would enable them to break a window to get out? Plus with the cases of kids getting shut in cars, it just seems to be only helping that.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Car windows are easy to kick out from the inside.

All videos of women kicking out cop car windows:
https://youtu.be/hixfQLk8S9s

https://youtu.be/dDa9miMIrhQ

https://youtu.be/frYUc_-O9DE

https://youtu.be/Ni2WKAErOSY

Any 70 yr old who consistently trains his legs will be able to kick out a car window from the inside if desperate enough.

And how many 70 year olds consistently train their legs and/or don't have other health problems that would make doing so difficult? Not only that but considering how they died, I'd hazard a guess that he would have been hampered already. Hell, I doubt average 70 years olds could even put themselves in a good position to kick out the window in a Corvette.

And guess what the regular response from local LEA, prosecutors, and judges was when this type of incident occurred to those poor souls who were driving toyota vehicles? They never cared and threw full criminal charges at them for criminal driving when everything was started by defective vehicles which was no fault of their own.

Were there ever any cases where the cars were proven to be defective? Looking it up and there were 2 that were linked to the floor mat issue and that's pretty much it. Most were not defective vehicles at all. Just because it doesn't operate exactly like you think it should doesn't make it defective. The vast majority of those (and all similar unintended acceleration) instances were people who just plain hit the wrong pedal and then their brains didn't realize they'd done that and thinking they had pushed the brake then pushed it as hard as they could, making the situation worse. Then, because the actual driving education is woefully inadequate, they didn't know what steps to take to overcome it. This latter is by far the biggest issue with regards to car accidents and yet our society keeps trying to put all the blame on the car companies instead of doing fucking anything to address how incredibly shit our training and regulation of the people operating them are, when it is the real issue.

No he is not you fucking douchebag. Would serve you right for you to get stuck in a life threatening situation and not have a dog around to protect you.

What the fuck kind of argument is that? Ah yes, the "you said something I disagree with I hope you're put in a nonsensical situation that could likely lead to your death!" response. Seriously what the fuck? Some of you people really need to learn to stop being so hotheaded and illogical.

 

[BUTCH1]

gm didn't kill this guy or his dog.

they did not facilitate the weapon used to kill him.

there is an out its built in to the car.

rtfm.

What?, logic?, don't bring that up around here. Guy probably spent north of $60K for this car and he can't sit down for an hour and figure out how to operate it?.

 

[KillerBee]

Well it sucks the guy and his dog died like that

Personally, as a way to go out,
I wouldn't mind driving a Vette off a cliff - just saying

 

[master_shake_]

What?, logic?, don't bring that up around here. Guy probably spent north of $60K for this car and he can't sit down for an hour and figure out how to operate it?.

sorry...

:biggrin:

 

[AdamK47]

This is a who's who of GM haters. Oh AnandTech, never change.

Leave it to those of you to go the stupid route on this to be inline with the narrative. There is no need to embarrass yourself further. There are simple ways out of this situation that most people with half a brain and a working nervous system can figure out.

There is a manual release near the floor. There is a manual release behind the driver under the hatch. The targa top can be opened from the latches on the inside. Any one of those would have worked. The guy was old with obviously limited mental faculties.

 

[JulesMaximus]

This is a who's who of GM haters. Oh AnandTech, never change.

Leave it to those of you to go the stupid route on this to be inline with the narrative. There is no need to embarrass yourself further. There are simple ways out of this situation that most people with half a brain and a working nervous system can figure out.

There is a manual release near the floor. There is a manual release behind the driver under the hatch. The targa top can be opened from the latches on the inside. Any one of those would have worked. The guy was old with obviously limited mental faculties.

So, old people shouldn't buy Corvettes is the lesson we must take away from this?

Isn't it mostly old people who buy Corvettes in the first place?

 

[Brian Stirling]

So, old people shouldn't buy Corvettes is the lesson we must take away from this?

Isn't it mostly old people who buy Corvettes in the first place?

Yep, that's something of a catch 22...

Say, when you press the horn button on a Vette does it say "Get offf my lawn!"?


Brian

 

[DesiPower]

<Hannity>
Finally the Chicken comes home to roost. Obama bailed out GM and look where is got us. Thanks Obama for killing a hard working American who worked his whole life honestly and a innocent little dog
</Hannity>

 

[IAteYourMother]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Car windows are easy to kick out from the inside.

Any 70 yr old who consistently trains his legs will be able to kick out a car window from the inside if desperate enough.

Maybe if you're not suffering from heat exhaustion... Also corvettes seem like they'd be harder to optimally position yourself

 

[SparkyJJO]

One of the first things I do when I get a vehicle is know where the basics are. Most are totally obvious. If it is an electronic latch, I'm looking for the manual override.

While it sucks the guy died like that, he did bring it on himself by not understanding even the most basic part of the vehicle. Almost as bad as the "stuck" gas pedals on the Toyotas - even if they were sticking, turn the darn key off, stick in neutral, something. Geez.

 

[Wuzup101]

I feel really bad for the guy, especially as by all accounts he was a genuinely nice guy and a car guy through and through.

As a corvette driver myself, I'm not sure exactly how one misses those levers. The first thing passengers always say when they are getting into my car is "what is that lever for." Seriously - you can't miss the thing when you open the door (and it's unusual to have a lever on the passenger side in that area). It's a foot from the electronic button on the door that opens the door normally, and easy to reach.

Next, positioning oneself to "kick out" the window in a corvette is no easy feat. Probably harder than actually kicking it out. Opening the 20lb lift off targa top requires that you swing out two small arms and push a latch release. Furthermore, EVERY old guy knows how to take the targa top off of that new corvette they just bought. At that point, one should be able to at least call for help if they can't get out of the car.

I'm not a huge fan of the electronic shit either. I don't like the fact that I can't remove my electronic e-brake unless my foot is on the real brake (c7) and that pressing the door open button doesn't automatically unlock the car when it's still running (requiring a press of 2 different buttons). That being said, I don't find the manual release to be unsafe. It's VERY obvious to begin with. Furthermore, new cars come with tags showing it's operation. It's also detailed in the safety portion of the manual (and yeah - I actually read most of the manual while my car was on order). Finally, it has a fairly large (for the size of the handle) picture of a car with a door opening on it.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I feel really bad for the guy, especially as by all accounts he was a genuinely nice guy and a car guy through and through.

As a corvette driver myself, I'm not sure exactly how one misses those levers. The first thing passengers always say when they are getting into my car is "what is that lever for." Seriously - you can't miss the thing when you open the door (and it's unusual to have a lever on the passenger side in that area). It's a foot from the electronic button on the door that opens the door normally, and easy to reach.

Next, positioning oneself to "kick out" the window in a corvette is no easy feat. Probably harder than actually kicking it out. Opening the 20lb lift off targa top requires that you swing out two small arms and push a latch release. Furthermore, EVERY old guy knows how to take the targa top off of that new corvette they just bought. At that point, one should be able to at least call for help if they can't get out of the car.

I'm not a huge fan of the electronic shit either. I don't like the fact that I can't remove my electronic e-brake unless my foot is on the real brake (c7) and that pressing the door open button doesn't automatically unlock the car when it's still running (requiring a press of 2 different buttons). That being said, I don't find the manual release to be unsafe. It's VERY obvious to begin with. Furthermore, new cars come with tags showing it's operation. It's also detailed in the safety portion of the manual (and yeah - I actually read most of the manual while my car was on order). Finally, it has a fairly large (for the size of the handle) picture of a car with a door opening on it.

Do they say that before or after they ask you if they should remove their teeth before they blow you?

 

[CZroe]

Pretty sure there is an air conditioner in the car...

Pretty sure that's not going to work when the car can't even start (no power).

 

[Wuzup101]

Do they say that before or after they ask you if they should remove their teeth before they blow you?

I'm only 30, so I don't have to deal with fake teeth. But I'm pretty sure the answer would be "yes please remove them and stop talking." Ain't nobody got time for floating teeth.

 

[KeithP]

Given what passes for "journalism" these days, I am not surprised this was a sort of "hit and run" story. I haven't been able to find any follow up stories on what happened but some obvious questions remain unanswered.

How does a guy locked in his car in front of a operating business go unnoticed? From the pictures, it looked like he was parked in front of the main entrance.

Second, would the dog have died anyway? From what I can tell he left his dog in his car when he went into the waffle house and apparently didn't even crack the windows.

My take. He forgot about the dog in the car and remembered at some point and went out to check on it. He found the dog dead and was so distraught he stayed in the car to kill himself.

It was actually a murder/suicide!

-KeithP

 

[Possessed Freak]

No he is not you fucking douchebag. Would serve you right for you to get stuck in a life threatening situation and not have a dog around to protect you.

LMFAO. My statement is this: a human is worth more than a pet. If you disagree, please let me know during a 'life threatening situation' and I will gladly save your dog over you when I get the chance. But whatever, Lassie has you covered, I surely can't provide more help than a dog.

 

[Murloc]

When watching a movie I feel more sorry when they kill a dog than when they kill other people as that's normal.

Anyway
1. who in hell would ever make a door without a normal lever on the inside like 99% of cars?
2. no glass breaking device in the car?
3. nobody notices an old man hammering at his windows?

 

[norseamd]

LMFAO. My statement is this: a human is worth more than a pet. If you disagree, please let me know during a 'life threatening situation' and I will gladly save your dog over you when I get the chance. But whatever, Lassie has you covered, I surely can't provide more help than a dog.

They are the same.

But that was not even what you said.

 

[MongGrel]