Man accuses democrats of being parasites

[cubby1223]

Yeah 1,000,000/15=$66,666 a year or about twice what the average worker makes in this country.... for fucking free.

Thanks for your unique brand of hackery.

He also has a shitload of expenses for running a farm that the average worker does not have.

The money he is receiving is not going in to his own pocket so he can be a lazy do-nothing fuck, the money is there so the market price of the food can be artificially low by the government's wishes. The government created a system where farmers are dependent on subsidies, one trying to farm without subsidies cannot compete on price.

 

[dank69]

No, I don't think he did at all. It's not as simple as you may think. If the only option is to go out of business because all of his competition get subsidies to improve their farms, then one must take the subsidies or go out of business.

You guys are saying he is a hypocrite who should fall on his own sword because the government is meddling in the farming market.

I didn't say that at all. Just saying he is a hypocrite. Calling others parasites when he does the same thing.

 

[Amused]

He also has a shitload of expenses for running a farm that the average worker does not have.

The money he is receiving is not going in to his own pocket so he can be a lazy do-nothing fuck, the money is there so the market price of the food can be artificially low by the government's wishes. The government created a system where farmers are dependent on subsidies, one trying to farm without subsidies cannot compete on price.

Yep. Farming subsidies aren't farmer welfare, they're welfare for consumers. They're used to keep grain prices artificially low. To not take them, would mean going out of business.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

You left out the part about the involuntary contribution "old people" have had withheld from their paychecks from the day they received their Social Security Number. My father paid into Social Security from 1943 until 1992. He retired and died 2 years later. Was that 2 years of Social Security income a "subsidy at the expense of the productive"?

It has been ruled that the monies paid in are not YOURS. Sorry, that's what you get when the gov't starts a ponzi scheme and then it starts to collapse. Just consider it a tax(basically all it is anyway).

BTW, your father already got the money spent on him - do you not know about the IOUs? He allowed it to happen. I'm not going to allow it to happen to me or my kids.

 

[Amused]

I didn't say that at all. Just saying he is a hypocrite. Calling others parasites when he does the same thing.

He's not the parasite here. The consumer is because they are the ones benefiting from the artificially low grain prices.

If you ask the man, I am sure he would support ending subsidies all together and allowing the free market to drive grain prices.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

ok smart guy what is your solution? close down all nursing homes, assisted care facilities? throw out old people in the hospital? let millions of old people die because they cant afford thier meds and im not talking about somebody on thier death bed but with managable diseases or condtions. wtf is your solution then?

people like you fucking piss me off, I bet you 1 million bucks that when you are 65 you will be glad that you have your monthly SS checks and your Medicare benefits.

Sorry, but when I turn an age when SS is supposedly going to send me a check - it likely won't exist as it'll be long bankrupt by then.
My solution is to stop the bleeding by treating the wound - not just stacking another bandaid on top of the old ones.

 

[Perknose]

Yep. Farming subsidies aren't farmer welfare, they're welfare for consumers. They're used to keep grain prices artificially low.

Completely wrong.

The subsidies for not farming are not to keep the prices "artificially low", they are to keep the prices from going TOO low due to over-production, which makes for a boom and bust cycle where too many farmers chasing too few consumers means the price for their crops goes TOO LOW for them to make any profit.

It is neither welfare for consumers nor is it used to keep grain prices artificially low.

 

[OutHouse]

It has been ruled that the monies paid in are not YOURS. Sorry, that's what you get when the gov't starts a ponzi scheme and then it starts to collapse. Just consider it a tax(basically all it is anyway).

BTW, your father already got the money spent on him - do you not know about the IOUs? He allowed it to happen. I'm not going to allow it to happen to me or my kids.

and how are you going to do that?

 

[OutHouse]

Sorry, but when I turn an age when SS is supposedly going to send me a check - it likely won't exist as it'll be long bankrupt by then.
My solution is to stop the bleeding by treating the wound - not just stacking another bandaid on top of the old ones.

social security and medicare will be around when you reach that age. those programs are very vital to our country so they are not going anywhere.

 

[OutHouse]

Completely wrong.

The subsidies for not farming are not to keep the prices "artificially low", they are to keep the prices from going TOO low due to over-production, which makes for a boom and bust cycle where too many farmers chasing too few consumers means the price for their crops goes TOO LOW for them to make any profit.

It is neither welfare for consumers nor is it used to keep grain prices artificially low.

100% correct.

 

[ayabe]

He also has a shitload of expenses for running a farm that the average worker does not have.

The money he is receiving is not going in to his own pocket so he can be a lazy do-nothing fuck, the money is there so the market price of the food can be artificially low by the government's wishes. The government created a system where farmers are dependent on subsidies, one trying to farm without subsidies cannot compete on price.

I'm sure it went to a multitude of uses, some of which was probably being paid not to plant.

The vast majority of food in this country comes from corporate farms and they are subsidized out the ying-yang as well.

 

[Brainonska511]

These people infuriate me. Get rid of all subsidies whether it be farming or medicare or social security. Lower taxes, lower the minimum wages, get people off of government dependence and watch the economy blossom.

You started off okay, but then you took the turn straight to crazy town. Maybe when you graduate high school, you'll understand.

 

[piasabird]

It is farmers who are hurt the worst by the death and inheritance tax.

I think we are all getting exemptions on our taxes that we probably should not.

 

[OutHouse]

It is farmers who are hurt the worst by the death and inheritance tax.

I think we are all getting exemptions on our taxes that we probably should not.

yip and that is when the corporate farms move in. i truly believe its a big plot to get rid of the local farmers and make all farmland part of the corporate farming machine.

 

[Deeko]

So he says the subsidies are ok because he pays taxes. I wonder - does he pay more than 66k/year in taxes? Because that's the average he's gotten back.

 

[Perknose]

The money he is receiving is not going in to his own pocket so he can be a lazy do-nothing fuck, the money is there so the market price of the food can be artificially low by the government's wishes.

Again, that is completely WRONG. The subsidies paid not to plant are to prop UP the prices, not keep them artificially low. They are paid to keep over production from happening, which has historically led to prices so low that farmers went out of business.

The subsidies are there to help the farmer by paying him NOT to plant and so contribute to too much supply versus too little demand which would depress prices.

Again, the subsidies are paid to prop UP prices, NOT keep them "artificially low."

I can't believe that you and Amused are so ill informed and so logically challenged as to state otherwise.

 

[Perknose]

If you ask the man, I am sure he would support ending subsidies all together and allowing the free market to drive grain prices.

Also wrong. Really, really wrong. The Billions we spend each year in farm subsidies persist because farmers in the farm states pressure their congressmen to continue them!

Historically, your simplistic free market has NOT worked well for the regular farmer, that's why we have these subsidies NOT TO PLANT in the first place, to avoid the ruinous boom and bust over production cycle of your sainted "free market."

Do some reading about your own country's farm history before you spout off SO stupidly once again, please.

 

[classy]

Just wondering, but if he paid more than a million in taxes over the past 15 years, is he still a "parasite" or did he just get a refund?

LOL
Here is a fact, we have a tax system to pay for things we need. This is not 1776, its 2010 and we pay for many systems necessary like schools, police, firemen, etc. Taxes are not evil. The use of tax money may be, but the concept is sound and just. If you want no taxes move to a deserted island, but don't complain when there is no toilet to flush.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

social security and medicare will be around when you reach that age. those programs are very vital to our country so they are not going anywhere.

Vital? How the hell did we survive as a society and county before?

 

[CallMeJoe]

(Hacp)...
Maybe if you ever graduate high school, you'll understand.

Corrected.

 

[cubby1223]

Again, that is completely WRONG. The subsidies paid not to plant are to prop UP the prices, not keep them artificially low. They are paid to keep over production from happening, which has historically led to prices so low that farmers went out of business.

The subsidies are there to help the farmer by paying him NOT to plant and so contribute to too much supply versus too little demand which would depress prices.

Again, the subsidies are paid to prop UP prices, NOT keep them "artificially low."

I can't believe that you and Amused are so ill informed and so logically challenged as to state otherwise.

It makes no sense that I would be paying higher taxes just to ensure I pay higher costs at the grocery store... oh the wonderful wisdom of the government!

Or, is that how Pelosi described it recently, paying people to do nothing being the fastest form of job creation the government can do?

 

[Linflas]

It has been ruled that the monies paid in are not YOURS. Sorry, that's what you get when the gov't starts a ponzi scheme and then it starts to collapse. Just consider it a tax(basically all it is anyway).

BTW, your father already got the money spent on him - do you not know about the IOUs? He allowed it to happen. I'm not going to allow it to happen to me or my kids.

Unless you are a child, have never had taxable income, or live in a country other than the USA you have already allowed it to happen to you. I would be willing to bet that if you reach age 70 it will still exist in some form and you will be demanding your share of what you have paid into your entire life.

 

[Hacp]

social security and medicare will be around when you reach that age. those programs are very vital to our country so they are not going anywhere.

Vital? Vital in scaring away jobs to india perhaps.

 

[Hacp]

Unless you are a child, have never had taxable income, or live in a country other than the USA you have already allowed it to happen to you. I would be willing to bet that if you reach age 70 it will still exist in some form and you will be demanding your share of what you have paid into your entire life.

Guess what? These programs are sucking away jobs. Why must young people pay for the retirements of old geezers?

 

[Linflas]

Guess what? These programs are sucking away jobs. Why must young people pay for the retirements of old geezers?

Because we are a nation of laws and Social Security has been the law of the land since FDR rammed it down our grandparents collective throats in the 1930's.