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Malnutrition amongst Iraq's children nearly double since invasion

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...es/A809-2004Nov20.html

Doesn't surprise me. The system for distributing rations has broken down, and aid agencies are basically crippled due to the chaos. Not to mention all the areas off due to the fighting. Health care is in shambles, water and power are worse than before etc. etc etc.
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Wow. "according to surveys"

With all the bad news I see posted here, I was under the impression that conducting something like a survey would not be possible. Guess I was wrong.



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for the children.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's a pity that Saddam and the insurgents have brought this calamity on the people of Iraq.
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And it's not in any way shape or form our fault?

Nobody forced us to go there.

Not like somebody held a gun to Bush's head and said invade Iraq.
 
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's a pity that Saddam and the insurgents have brought this calamity on the people of Iraq.
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Nobody forced us to go there.

Not like somebody held a gun to Bush's head and said invade Iraq.
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It's interesting how you hold Saddam and the insurgents blameless.

How convenient that you seem to forget that Saddam violated the peace agreement after the Gulf War, flouted 17 U.N. Resolutions, anda played a cat and mouse game with weapons inspectors.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's interesting how you hold Saddam and the insurgents blameless.
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At no point did I say they weren't in any way responsible. I simply said that it wasn't necessarily all their fault.

The new figure translates to roughly 400,000 Iraqi children suffering from "wasting,"...
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There is mounting evidence that the United Nations Oil for Food program, originally conceived as a means of providing humanitarian aid to the Iraqi people, was subverted by Saddam Hussein?s regime and manipulated to help prop up the Iraqi dictator. Saddam?s dictatorship was able to siphon off an estimated ten billion dollars from the Oil for Food program through oil smuggling and systematic thievery, by demanding illegal payments from companies buying Iraqi oil and through kickbacks from those selling goods to Iraq, all under the noses of UN bureaucrats. The UN staff administering the program are accused of gross incompetence, mismanagement, and possible complicity in allowing the Iraqi regime to perpetrate the biggest scandal in UN history.
 
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Riprorin
What exactly do you think their fault was?
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I'm only saying that neither side is completely guilt-free.
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Now look here. Stop that. Things are only in black and white. Shades of gray aren't allowed on these boards.
 
Originally posted by: KevinH
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Riprorin
What exactly do you think their fault was?
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I'm only saying that neither side is completely guilt-free.
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Now look here. Stop that. Things are only in black and white. Shades of gray aren't allowed on these boards.
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The only problem is that some people here don't think black and white exist at all - they ONLY see shades of gray.

CsG
 
You have to kill people to save them. Those kids shouldn't have gotten themselves into a situation where is 45 min they could nuke us. It's OK to kill in a preemptive war so lets pretend the war's preemptive. I will sleep better not knowing I'm committing murder.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
The only problem is that some people here don't think black and white exist at all - they ONLY see shades of gray.

CsG
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<mystic old man>

Sometimes that's all there is to see

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...es/A809-2004Nov20.html

Doesn't surprise me. The system for distributing rations has broken down, and aid agencies are basically crippled due to the chaos. Not to mention all the areas off due to the fighting. Health care is in shambles, water and power are worse than before etc. etc etc.
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For whatever aid agencies are even left in Iraq after some have pulled out due to the lack of security offered by the occupying forces.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's a pity that Saddam and the insurgents have brought this calamity on the people of Iraq.
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Nobody forced us to go there.

Not like somebody held a gun to Bush's head and said invade Iraq.
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It's interesting how you hold Saddam and the insurgents blameless.

How convenient that you seem to forget that Saddam violated the peace agreement after the Gulf War, flouted 17 U.N. Resolutions, anda played a cat and mouse game with weapons inspectors.
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Violated the resolutions how? By his inventory of stockpiles of WMDs?



Oh wait....
 
Conjur, you should really expand your reading beyond the left-wing propaganda sites.

Saddam Hussein's Defiance of United Nations Resolutions

Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated seventeen United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCRs) designed to ensure that Iraq does not pose a threat to international peace and security. In addition to these repeated violations, he has tried, over the past decade, to circumvent UN economic sanctions against Iraq, which are reflected in a number of other resolutions. As noted in the resolutions, Saddam Hussein was required to fulfill many obligations beyond the withdrawal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait. Specifically, Saddam Hussein was required to, among other things: allow international weapons inspectors to oversee the destruction of his weapons of mass destruction; not develop new weapons of mass destruction; destroy all of his ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometers; stop support for terrorism and prevent terrorist organizations from operating within Iraq; help account for missing Kuwaitis and other individuals; return stolen Kuwaiti property and bear financial liability for damage from the Gulf War; and he was required to end his repression of the Iraqi people. Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated each of the following resolutions:

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: Riprorin
It's a pity that Saddam and the insurgents have brought this calamity on the people of Iraq.
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Nobody forced us to go there.

Not like somebody held a gun to Bush's head and said invade Iraq.
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It's interesting how you hold Saddam and the insurgents blameless.

How convenient that you seem to forget that Saddam violated the peace agreement after the Gulf War, flouted 17 U.N. Resolutions, anda played a cat and mouse game with weapons inspectors.
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Violated the resolutions how? By his inventory of stockpiles of WMDs?



Oh wait....
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lol

sad to see people still saying Saddam violated UN Sanctions, when the UN itself did not decide that Iraq actually DID violate the sanctions. If Iraq HAD violated sanctions, the UN would agree that Iraq should face "serious consequences", but that never came about. Of course, only the United States and Britain, and oh, lets not forget Poland (amongst a few other countries contributing a handful) had the "galls" to make Iraq "pay" :roll:

Iraq gave an account of all WMD destroyed, in their declaration, and did everything to prove they did not have the weapons. Yet, this administration would not accept their declaration.
 
I think it is fair to say Saddam is definitely not a nice ruler and under his rule many people suffer. But hey, thats 80%+ of the world under such dictator and USA is doing nothing about it. Why the f**k are we invading Iraq other than oil or Bush's personal hatred toward Saddam?

Powell once said, "If you break it, you pay for it" on the invasion issue and "use a massive force and get overwhelming on them" and lets see what happens? If we were cleaning that place up and start the nation building right then we won't have this much insurgence going on in the first place.
 
"Things have been worse for me since the war," said Kasim Said, a day laborer who was at Baghdad's main children's hospital to visit his ailing year-old son, Abdullah. The child, lying on a pillow with a Winnie the Pooh washcloth to keep the flies off his head, weighs just 11 pounds.

"During the previous regime, I used to work on the government projects. Now there are no projects," his father said.

When he finds work, he added, he can bring home $10 to $14 a day. If his wife is fortunate enough to find a can of Isomil, the nutritional supplement that doctors recommend, she pays $7 for it.

"But the lady in the next bed said she just paid $10," said Suad Ahmed, who sat cross-legged on a bed in the same ward, trying to console her skeletal 4-month-old granddaughter, Hiba, who suffers from chronic diarrhea.
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It's just sad and infuriating that health care people would be recommending 'Isomil' or any other artifical feed for the babies (unless they are motherless or some similar incident that would prevent breastfeeding). I have heard they push the Isomil/Similac or whatever on to the babies at birth and then of course the mother's milk supply dries up, this is what goes on here in the US but you don't hear of the bad effects as much since our water is mostly potable and/or we have the means to boil it properly. When they mix the powder with the bad water supply, it's a disaster. At least the babies a year and under wouldn't have to be battling such extreme illness and malnutrition.
 
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