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Malaysia : Baby separated from mother because mom apostatized from Islam

Braznor

Diamond Member
Malaysia's Islamic officials seize baby from mother who sought a Hindu life

April 6, 2007

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia: Islamic authorities took away the baby of a Muslim woman who is living as a Hindu in defiance of the law in the latest case of religious conflict straining ties in multiethnic Malaysia, officials said Friday.

Revathi Masoosai's 15-month-old daughter was taken by the Islamic Religious Department in southern Malacca state on March 26 and handed to Revathi's Muslim mother, said department enforcement officer Mohamad Imran Ahmad.

"The baby's grandmother has custody of her for now," Mohamad Imran told The Associated Press.

Revathi, an ethnic Indian, is being held in a rehabilitation center run by Islamic authorities for her religious transgression. The baby was with Revathi's husband when she was seized. He has filed a police complaint, but it was not clear if he plans to take the case to court.

Meanwhile, the baby will stay with her grandmother. "When the baby's mother is released, she can try to regain custody if she wants to," said Mohamad Imran without elaborating.

The case, which was made public by the opposition Democratic Action Party on Thursday, highlights an increasing number of spats affecting the religious and family rights of the ethnic Indian and Chinese minorities.

Indians, who form about 8 percent of Malaysia's 26 million people, are mostly Hindus while some are Christians, Muslims and Sikhs.

Activists say a string of recent disputes have ended in favor of Muslims ? who comprise nearly 60 percent of the population ? and strained ethnic relations in this multicultural nation, which has enjoyed racial peace for nearly four decades.

Revathi, 29, was born to Indian Muslim parents who gave her a Muslim name, Siti Fatimah. However, Revathi claims she was raised as a Hindu by her grandmother and changed her name in 2001, said Chong Eng, an opposition member of Parliament.

Revathi married Suresh Veerappan in 2004 according to Hindu rites. The marriage has not been legally registered because Suresh would have had to convert to Islam first.

Revathi's official identification documents state she is Muslim because Malaysians who are born as Muslims cannot legally convert.

The Islamic Religious Department apparently learned of Revathi's case after she gave birth. Revathi was detained in January and taken to a rehabilitation center in central Malaysia where she is expected to be held until at least mid-April to undergo religious counseling, Chong said.

"Separating mother and child ... is inhuman," Chong said in a statement.

A custody battle would be complicated because Islamic officials and Revathi's mother would likely seek to try the case in Islamic Shariah court, which handles religious, family and personal law disputes involving Muslims.

Non-Muslims turn to civil courts to settle these issues. But the secular courts have generally avoided taking a position in such disputes between Muslims and non-Muslims, leaving it to the Shariah system, where verdicts have often favored Muslims.

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International Herald Tribune


Sad, when a modern nation like Malaysia cannot rein its fanatics and instead panders to them with Shariat courts. A word of warning to the rest of the world.
 
Isn't Malaysia supposed to be a modern nation?

Malaysia may have a good economy but it is hampered by corruption, poor education and political racism against minority groups, as well as the religious prosecution stuff posted here. Not exactly a hellhole, but still...
 
Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Isn't Malaysia supposed to be a modern nation?

Malaysia may have a good economy but it is hampered by corruption, poor education and political racism against minority groups, as well as the religious prosecution stuff posted here. Not exactly a hellhole, but still...

Last time I checked over 88% of Malaysia was literate. Malaysia is much richer than many other nations in Asia. So what's the problem?
 
Not comparing the US to Malaysia because we're much better off here, but dude, damn near all of the US is literate but they teach creationism in Kansas.
 
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Not comparing the US to Malaysia because we're much better off here, but dude, damn near all of the US is literate but they teach creationism in Kansas.

Buddy, It's one thing to teach fairy tales, its another altogether to perpetrate atrocities.

 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
A great example of why people should have freedom from religion.

what if one set of people don't desire that freedom and won't let others have it too?
 
I am sure Aimster will show up to defend this soon enough.

The notion of legal/illegal religious conversion, as per the article, is downright scary.

Revathi's official identification documents state she is Muslim because Malaysians who are born as Muslims cannot legally convert.
 
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
A great example of why people should have freedom from religion.

what if one set of people don't desire that freedom?
Why should that effect the others? Live by your beliefs and let others live by theirs. It's all good unless your beliefs infringe on the rights of others.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
A great example of why people should have freedom from religion.

what if one set of people don't desire that freedom?
Why should that effect the others? Live by your beliefs and let others live by theirs. It's all good unless your beliefs infringe on the rights of others.

Well, that's the trick isn't it? Not imposing your beliefs on others!

Why is this happening only in certain kind of nations?

 
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
A great example of why people should have freedom from religion.

what if one set of people don't desire that freedom?
Why should that effect the others? Live by your beliefs and let others live by theirs. It's all good unless your beliefs infringe on the rights of others.

Well, that's the trick isn't it? Not imposing your beliefs on others!

Why is this happening only in certain kind of nations?
Because these nations don't seperate religion from government. See Saudi Arabia.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
A great example of why people should have freedom from religion.

what if one set of people don't desire that freedom?
Why should that effect the others? Live by your beliefs and let others live by theirs. It's all good unless your beliefs infringe on the rights of others.

Well, that's the trick isn't it? Not imposing your beliefs on others!

Why is this happening only in certain kind of nations?
Because these nations don't seperate religion from government. See Saudi Arabia.

Good, you are getting closer!
 
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
A great example of why people should have freedom from religion.

what if one set of people don't desire that freedom?
Why should that effect the others? Live by your beliefs and let others live by theirs. It's all good unless your beliefs infringe on the rights of others.

Well, that's the trick isn't it? Not imposing your beliefs on others!

Why is this happening only in certain kind of nations?
Because these nations don't seperate religion from government. See Saudi Arabia.

Good, you are getting closer!
I see where you are going. It's much more than a Muslim thing.Llook at the American Colonies for example. The Mass Bay Colony is another example of how government embracing religion is a bad thing.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I see where you are going. It's much more than a Muslim thing.Llook at the American Colonies for example. The Mass Bay Colony is another example of how government embracing religion is a bad thing.

Ah ha, but the people in your example reformed, didn't they?


 
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
A great example of why people should have freedom from religion.

freedom OF religion

religion isn't the problem; people are
So according t you we shouldn't have freedom from religion? Should we be forced to adhere to your religious beliefs?

 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
A great example of why people should have freedom from religion.

what if one set of people don't desire that freedom?
Why should that effect the others? Live by your beliefs and let others live by theirs. It's all good unless your beliefs infringe on the rights of others.

Well, that's the trick isn't it? Not imposing your beliefs on others!

Why is this happening only in certain kind of nations?
Because these nations don't seperate religion from government. See Saudi Arabia.

Good, you are getting closer!
I see where you are going. It's much more than a Muslim thing.Llook at the American Colonies for example. The Mass Bay Colony is another example of how government embracing religion is a bad thing.

We see it to some degree in modern America as well. Here in Alaska, they just had an "Advisory Vote" to see if Alaskans wanted to have a constitutional amendment to revoke benefits for domestic partners of public employees. While the movement wasn't started by a particular religious group, the people behind the movement were sending mass mailings to pastors telling them to tell their congregations to go out and vote yes on this.

The "reasoning" behind the advisory vote was that the Alaska State Supreme Court interpreted the state constitution to indicate that domestic partners could receive benefits, and a rep to the state senate said they were legislating from the bench.

While we may have religious issues that show up in court now and then, at least we don't have a religious court.
 
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven


While we may have religious issues that show up in court now and then, at least we don't have a religious court.

Exactly, stupid people exist everywhere, but it takes something special when prosperity doesn't get rid of darkness and the establishment itself helps to perpetuate such bigotry and atrocities, that too in a prosperous society which has every chance of dispelling such darkness within.

 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
A great example of why people should have freedom from religion.
Yeah, really. That sure is a great way of proving that your religion is the one true one - make it illegal to stop believing in it.


Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
A great example of why people should have freedom from religion.

freedom OF religion

religion isn't the problem; people are
And who do you suppose created the religions in the first place?😉
Freedom of religion implies freedom from it.
 
Religion of Peace strikes again.

BTW, this isn't the first such incident in SE Asia. Indonesia, Thailand, and other countries have the same problem. Beheadings, executions, bombings, etc...all in the name of Islam.
 
Originally posted by: Braznor
Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Isn't Malaysia supposed to be a modern nation?

Malaysia may have a good economy but it is hampered by corruption, poor education and political racism against minority groups, as well as the religious prosecution stuff posted here. Not exactly a hellhole, but still...

Last time I checked over 88% of Malaysia was literate. Malaysia is much richer than many other nations in Asia. So what's the problem?

You just want to say its Islam. Pretty shallow conclusion - grow up with hatred towards other religions. The more you lash out irrationally, the more you'll empower radical Muslims because the "average person" will fear and be suspicious of you...rather you trust the corrupt Muslim than someone of your nature.

Of course I agree this is absolutely wrong, but these problems kind exist everywhere...
 
Originally posted by: magomago


You just want to say its Islam. Pretty shallow conclusion - grow up with hatred towards other religions. The more you lash out irrationally, the more you'll empower radical Muslims because the "average person" will fear and be suspicious of you...rather you trust the corrupt Muslim than someone of your nature.

Of course I agree this is absolutely wrong, but these problems kind exist everywhere...

Boo hoo,

Tell me which modern non muslim prosperous society separates families just because a mother apostatized? Tell me which civilized non muslim society takes away the corpses of people just so they can be given an Islamic burial? It's not me with the hatred, you are using the standard argument i.e. all those who criticize evil are bigots themselves. All religions have wretched pasts, but increasing enlightenment and modernization of a society does lead to moderation and reformation of their respective faiths, except Islam that is.

My fear and suspicions of Islam are legitimate. And its not unto me to limit the power of radical muslims, it is upto the eversilent muslim 'moderate' majority like yourself. Too bad you are too busy sermonizing me instead of doing so to the radicals in your faith.
 
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