Malak's Scripture of the Day

Malak

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Luke 3:8 Prove by the way you live that you have really turned from your sins and turned to God. Don't just say, 'We're safe, we're the descendants of Abraham.' That proves nothing. God can change these stones here into children of Abraham.

Before Jesus even began his ministry, John was preparing the people for it. John basically was telling the Jews that it is not enough to be a Jew. God won't hesitate to cut them off if they prove with their daily lives that they are no better than the next man. John said you could do this by sharing your excesses with those that have very little. If you have two coats, give one to someone who has none. If you have extra food, take some to those without any or very little. Be a community that shares and loves one another. Jesus enforced this with his ministry.

Just because someone says they are a Jew or a Christian doesn't mean they are seen that way in God's eyes. The ones that prove by their actions that they don't love others won't receive God's grace. This is the struggle that Jews had to face after Jesus died, various cults and sects that cropped up trying to preach their own message that had nothing to do with love, and this happens still today.

"The greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world, simply finds unbelievable."
 

destrekor

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posting in epic thread.

this space for rent.

obvious trolling thread is obvious.
 
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I think I'll just be a good person according to my own moral compass and not worry about any of that. IMO practically every person alive now has superior morals to anyone who lived in biblical times. There are outliers of both the moral and immoral extremes, of which Jesus was one in his time, but overall the average person today is way ahead of the average person of Jesus' time.

Edit: My point since I forgot to mention it, is that we should not, and indeed do not, take our morals from scripture. We have surpassed scripture.
 

Malak

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I think I'll just be a good person according to my own moral compass and not worry about any of that. IMO practically every person alive now has superior morals to anyone who lived in biblical times. There are outliers of both the moral and immoral extremes, of which Jesus was one in his time, but overall the average person today is way ahead of the average person of Jesus' time.

The evidence against this thought is overwhelming. There is no sin committed 2000 years ago that isn't still, daily, being done in this era.

The purpose of that ministry was not to point out that sin, but the lack of good.
 

ric1287

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people who need a fairy tale book to tell them how to be a good person = weak
 

DangerAardvark

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Chronicles 15:13 15:13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

But I know already what you're going to say: "DangerAardvark, this verse is clearly taken out of context!" So let's put it in context. Asa gathered up all the unbelievers and foreigners told them to convert or die. They chose conversion. And God rejoiced.

Okay, never mind context didn't help at all.
 

Malak

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people who need a fairy tale book to tell them how to be a good person = weak

The best seller of all time is the bible. The 2nd best seller of all time in America is The Purpose Driven Life, a book based on the bible. People want direction, and there are answers in the bible. The fact that you call it a fairy tale book only proves you've never read it. Reading through proverbs is no different than reading through a motivational calendar. They are suggestions for being a better person and living a better life.
 

ric1287

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Chronicles 15:13 15:13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

But I know already what you're going to say: "DangerAardvark, this verse is clearly taken out of context!" So let's put it in context. Asa gathered up all the unbelievers and foreigners told them to convert or die. They chose conversion. And God rejoiced.

Okay, never mind context didn't help at all.

hey man! you're supposed to ignore/gloss over/make excuses for things like that! Didn't you know?
 

RESmonkey

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get the fuck out of the internet you fantasy believing delusional guy



^haha, I partially mean that.
 

ric1287

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The best seller of all time is the bible. The 2nd best seller of all time in America is The Purpose Driven Life, a book based on the bible. People want direction, and there are answers in the bible. The fact that you call it a fairy tale book only proves you've never read it. Reading through proverbs is no different than reading through a motivational calendar. They are suggestions for being a better person and living a better life.

Whole lotta weak ass people then. (Or really: wannabe religious who buy it just to buy it)

-12 years wasted in catholic school
 

Malak

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Chronicles 15:13 15:13 That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

But I know already what you're going to say: "DangerAardvark, this verse is clearly taken out of context!" So let's put it in context. Asa gathered up all the unbelievers and foreigners told them to convert or die. They chose conversion. And God rejoiced.

Okay, never mind context didn't help at all.

You read it like it affirms their right to put someone to death for not believing. That is not true. There are many stories and scriptures in the bible that show people doing things wrong. In no way does it ever condone these things. It is history, detailing events that took place. Jesus showed exactly how God feels about such things when he stopped the stoning of the woman for her sins. He showed her mercy and told her to go and sin no more.
 

Malak

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Whole lotta weak ass people then. (Or really: wannabe religious who buy it just to buy it)

-12 years wasted in catholic school

You are right. Many people even buy bibles they never read. It has been said to be the least read best seller. Proof can often be found in places like the catholic school you went to where things are taught that are even contradictory to the bible. Even the priests aren't reading it, so how can they help you? It is so hard for someone to find a church worth going to, because so many churches do not foster love or community, and even act just like the Jews that condemned Jesus.
 

Leros

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The best seller of all time is the bible. The 2nd best seller of all time in America is The Purpose Driven Life, a book based on the bible. People want direction, and there are answers in the bible. The fact that you call it a fairy tale book only proves you've never read it. Reading through proverbs is no different than reading through a motivational calendar. They are suggestions for being a better person and living a better life.

No doubt the bible has good advice in it for living a good moral life, but you don't need the bible to know whats right and wrong.

I've read the bible, multiple times. I grew up somewhat Christian. I wasn't brainwashed with church as a kid, but I did go to a Christian private school for 9 years. The more I learned about Christianity, the more questions I had and the less Christianity made sense.

Basically, I was willing to blindly believe in god as a kid for a few reasons. One, it felt good. Two, everybody else around me did so it seemed likely to be the right thing to do. But as I grew up and learned to think for myself, the concept of Christianity just did not make sense.
 

edro

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I am a non-believer, but I enjoy this thread.
Keep posting them.

Even if most religions are hypocritical in their verses, they do have very inspiring morals.
 

RbSX

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Luke 3:8 Prove by the way you live that you have really turned from your sins and turned to God. Don't just say, 'We're safe, we're the descendants of Abraham.' That proves nothing. God can change these stones here into children of Abraham.

Before Jesus even began his ministry, John was preparing the people for it. John basically was telling the Jews that it is not enough to be a Jew. God won't hesitate to cut them off if they prove with their daily lives that they are no better than the next man. John said you could do this by sharing your excesses with those that have very little. If you have two coats, give one to someone who has none. If you have extra food, take some to those without any or very little. Be a community that shares and loves one another. Jesus enforced this with his ministry.

Just because someone says they are a Jew or a Christian doesn't mean they are seen that way in God's eyes. The ones that prove by their actions that they don't love others won't receive God's grace. This is the struggle that Jews had to face after Jesus died, various cults and sects that cropped up trying to preach their own message that had nothing to do with love, and this happens still today.

"The greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world, simply finds unbelievable."

Please GTFO.
 

wwswimming

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faith without works is dead

no, i can kill & torture all the civilians i want, and since i've accepted JC as my Savior, God will still want to hang out with me in Heaven.

i only know one piece of Scripture, the part in Luke where Mary is visited by angels and they tell her that she'll be having a special baby.

Luke 1:26-38

In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored !! The Lord is with you." Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of
greeting this might be.

But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, his kingdom will never end."

"How will this be, "Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin ??" The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. For nothing is impossible with God." "I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her.
 

destrekor

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You read it like it affirms their right to put someone to death for not believing. That is not true. There are many stories and scriptures in the bible that show people doing things wrong. In no way does it ever condone these things. It is history, detailing events that took place. Jesus showed exactly how God feels about such things when he stopped the stoning of the woman for her sins. He showed her mercy and told her to go and sin no more.

and yet the Bible clearly depicts God letting Satan completely fuck with humans, destroying their lives and livelihood, just to prove a point that man won't waver in his devotion to God?
That's... awesome. What a fucking prick.

What's the good in that story again? That a guy didn't waver in his devotion?
I'll choose to focus on the fact that God let Satan completely destroy the man's livelihood. Such a good guy, that God fella.
And all the other stories of causing unnecessary and unjust harm to a great number of people, it just adds up. God is the ultimate prick who cares not about humanity but about how many worship him. Again, that's just awesome. Benevolent my ass.


The best seller of all time is the bible. The 2nd best seller of all time in America is The Purpose Driven Life, a book based on the bible. People want direction, and there are answers in the bible. The fact that you call it a fairy tale book only proves you've never read it. Reading through proverbs is no different than reading through a motivational calendar. They are suggestions for being a better person and living a better life.

All that proves is humanity is weak, and refuse to accept that we are but another animal that populates this planet. No, we have to be special. And because we refuse to let go of the idea that we are special, there has to be a reason we are special.
And to go on about our monotonous daily lives, we need direction. A reason to continue on repeating the same thing day in and day out, a carrot at the end of the stick as a reward for being a good guy.
I refuse to believe any of that, and according to the religious people, I am some kind of terrible heathen that sins at every opportunity. I don't need carrots and belief in a fairy tale to have morality. Pay it forward, that's the most simple concept and just works. It can apply to many aspects of society, and is just another version of "do unto others...".
 

Nik

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The best seller of all time is the bible. The 2nd best seller of all time in America is The Purpose Driven Life, a book based on the bible. People want direction, and there are answers in the bible. The fact that you call it a fairy tale book only proves you've never read it. Reading through proverbs is no different than reading through a motivational calendar. They are suggestions for being a better person and living a better life.

Just goes to show you how stupid people are.

It's okay, though. Religion will die off soon enough, and so will its ilk.
 

Leros

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Just goes to show you how stupid people are.

It's okay, though. Religion will die off soon enough, and so will its ilk.

I think we moving more towards a two-caste system.

You'll have the poor, uneducated, and religious. And you'll have the well-off, educated, and non-religious.

I say this because, all of the atheist people I have met were educated and well-off. My experiences with the lower class show they are much more religious.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I think we moving more towards a two-caste system.

You'll have the poor, uneducated, and religious. And you'll have the well-off, educated, and non-religious.

I say this because, all of the atheist people I have met were educated and well-off. My experiences with the lower class show they are much more religious.


I tend to think most people are idiots, and generally religion has nothing to do with it.
 

Leros

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I tend to think most people are idiots, and generally religion has nothing to do with it.

Can't disagree with you about that..

I think religion and education go hand in hand. I think as education and acceptance of science rises, religion will go down.

Education and class also go hand-in-hand. Educated people tend to be in the middle or upper class. Non-educated people are usually in the lower class. This class divide seems to be growing.