Make a mistake at a game of Simon Says? You get killed.

[Red Squirrel]

Yet another cop murdering an innocent person.

Video: http://philipbrailsford.com

Article: https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...ford-verdict-daniel-shaver-killing/927052001/

Of course he's not guilty, because cops can get away with murder, as is USA tradition. At least he's not a cop anymore... but he still walks freely when he should be in the slammer for life.

Not any different than when a terrorist forces someone to recite the quaran and then kills them if they make a mistake.

This cop was simply thirsty for blood and purposely manipulated the situation to be able to justify killing him. He can put "not following orders" on the paper work, and it's technically true, and he's in the clear.

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[highland145]

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[Thebobo]

That cop is not fit to be a cop. I can't believe he was acquitted. The poor kid.

 

[mindless1]

Of course he's not guilty, because cops can get away with murder, as is USA tradition.

Leave the US out of this, police/military/etc get away with murder all over the world, esp in the 3rd world.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Victim was a father of two girls too.

Just a normal guy who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[JSt0rm]

Victim was a father of two girls too.

Just a normal guy who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

sometimes you gotta water the tree of liberty.

 

[Darwin333]

Victim was a father of two girls too.

Just a normal guy who happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

The wrong place and wrong time part sucks but there is absolutely zero reason that guy should have been shot by the police. None, zip, zilch, nadda. The humiliating shit he was forced to do would have been bad enough all its own but then the jack booted thug had to go and execute the poor bastard. They love to talk about split second decisions but the guy was on his hands and knees with multiple officers on site and at least one of them training an AR-15 on him with his finger on the trigger. Poor bastard even tried to explain why he "made a mistake" at one point and the cop screams at him "DON'T TALK, LISTEN", wtf does a few seconds to calm the guy down cost you besides maybe not having him so terrified that you "feel that your life is in danger" and shoot the poor fucker?

The way that cop was acting I honestly don't see a way that he could have complied with the orders and made it out alive. As I said in another thread, I would have laid there with my legs crossed, hands interlocked on top of my head, and let them yell shit to their hearts content until they finally walked down and cuffed me. If a cop has me scared to the point that I'm begging not to be shot, despite doing nothing wrong, once I'm in a position that I can't possibly be considered a threat I'm not fucking moving a muscle. Fuck them if it takes them 15 minutes to decide to walk a few feet to cuff me. Not to mention the very obvious, you have him compliant in a position in which he can not go for a weapon quickly with multiple guns trained on him. Why the hell would you instruct him to move from that position to any other position in which he might be able to go for a weapon? You have multiple officers on scene, the door behind them is closed and you had to get just as exposed to the door to cuff the woman as you would have to cuff the guy where he laid and personnel to cover both. The shooter was power tripping about as hard as I've ever seen it, even called the guy "young man" multiple times even though he was only 27 a whole year older than the guy he murdered.

 

[JSt0rm]

im with you on the once im on the ground im not moving. And ill be yelling out about this video the entire time.

 

[Ichinisan]

I skipped around in the video.

Why didn't the occupants of room 502 respond? Maybe they were actually coming down another hallway and weren't actually in room 502?

It seemed like the officers were responding to something extremely serious. What was the call?

Why did the guy reach for his waist?

 

[Ichinisan]

I read an article. The officers were responding to reports of someone in that room waving a gun out the window. Of course, the web site OP linked doesn't think it's important enough to tell us why the officers were there in the first place.

Shaver lied when the officers asked if he was intoxicated. He said he wasn't.

The article said that Shaver had been doing shots in room 502 with a woman he met earlier that day.

It appears to me that, due to intoxication, he carelessly reached to pull his pants up. That made it look like he deliberately disobeyed the officers' orders and reached for a gun in his waistband.

While I don't think cops should respond with that kind of force for reports of someone with a firearm, I also don't think this was as egregious as the OP's link implies.

 

[Ichinisan]

He's married and left a widow with 2 daughters. Was he on good terms with his wife?

He was doing shots in the hotel room with a woman he met earlier that day, and showing off 2 pellet guns he uses in his pest control business.

Maybe that's part of the reason he was hesitant to respond to the officers: He didn't want his wife to find out he was with a woman.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Yet another cop murdering an innocent person.

Video: http://philipbrailsford.com

Article: https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...ford-verdict-daniel-shaver-killing/927052001/

Of course he's not guilty, because cops can get away with murder, as is USA tradition. At least he's not a cop anymore... but he still walks freely when he should be in the slammer for life.

Not any different than when a terrorist forces someone to recite the quaran and then kills them if they make a mistake.

This cop was simply thirsty for blood and purposely manipulated the situation to be able to justify killing him. He can put "not following orders" on the paper work, and it's technically true, and he's in the clear.

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Slammer for life? He deserves the needle for murdering a guy on the ground begging for his life.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

He's married and left a widow with 2 daughters. Was he on good terms with his wife?

He was doing shots in the hotel room with a woman he met earlier that day, and showing off 2 pellet guns he uses in his pest control business.

Maybe that's part of the reason he was hesitant to respond to the officers: He didn't want his wife to find out he was with a woman.

Good. This is very good. Let's see how hard we can shit on his dead guy. Let's check his browser history too. I bet he looks at teh pronos.

 

[ivwshane]

Good. This is very good. Let's see how hard we can shit on his dead guy. Let's check his browser history too. I bet he looks at teh pronos.

What do you expect? If the shooting wasn't justified then the only other option is to paint the victim as a piece of shit.

/s


Par for the course.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

I read an article. The officers were responding to reports of someone in that room waving a gun out the window. Of course, the web site OP linked doesn't think it's important enough to tell us why the officers were there in the first place.

I think everyone already knows why the cops were there. This is a pretty famous case. There was a call about a guy with a RIFLE. Protip: rifles don't fit into gym shorts.

Shaver lied when the officers asked if he was intoxicated. He said he wasn't.

I'm sure if he had simply explained that he was intoxicated, then the cops would be much more relaxed. It's OK now...we know this guy is drunk...we can trust him now.

It appears to me that, due to intoxication, he carelessly reached to pull his pants up.

You aren't so great at interpreting what things appear like. He reached to pull his pants up because they fell down. Not because he was drunk. Because his pants fell down.

That made it look like he deliberately disobeyed the officers' orders and reached for a gun in his waistband.

1) Rifles don't fit into shorts
2) Nobody reaches for a gun while (a) crying for their life (b) multiple officers have their guns pointed at them

While I don't think cops should respond with that kind of force for reports of someone with a firearm

Yes you do.

I also don't think this was as egregious as the OP's link implies.

Yes it is.

 

[JSt0rm]

He was doing shots in the hotel room with a woman he met earlier that day, and showing off 2 pellet guns he uses in his pest control business.
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judge dread says the sentence is death.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

What do you expect? If the shooting wasn't justified then the only other option is to paint the victim as a piece of shit.

/s


Par for the course.

Read cop-only forums. Every person ever shot by a cop IS a piece of shit. Or degenerate. Or a perp. Those are the words they like to use.

 

[ivwshane]

Read cop-only forums. Every person ever shot by a cop IS a piece of shit. Or degenerate. Or a perp. Those are the words they like to use.

Exactly.

 

[JSt0rm]

AZ is a open carry state. That means its legal to wave a gun around.

 

[Ichinisan]

I think everyone already knows why the cops were there. This is a pretty famous case. There was a call about a guy with a RIFLE. Protip: rifles don't fit into gym shorts.

Oh. He can't possibly have more than one gun? Even if it was a real rifle: When there's reason to believe a particular stranger owns a rifle, there's a much higher likelihood that person might own multiple guns of various types. If there's no reason to believe that a particular person owned any firearm at all, then it's also less likely they'll own multiple firearms.

I'm sure if he had simply explained that he was intoxicated, then the cops would be much more relaxed. It's OK now...we know this guy is drunk...we can trust him now.

The cop explains very clearly why he was asking the question. VERY clearly. He asked if it might affect his ability to comprehend or follow his instructions. I didn't skip that part.

You aren't so great at interpreting what things appear like. He reached to pull his pants up because they fell down. Not because he was drunk. Because his pants fell down.

I skipped back dozens of times the moment it reached that part. All I saw is what the cop saw: The hand inexplicably went back to the waist. It was not clear if pants were falling down. If they were, a sober man might have known better than to reach for his waist. A cop that understands the man's intoxicated state might have proceeded differently.

They are trained to shoot in this scenario. If training specified otherwise, the police department would be liable for the officers that die. If the guy had been reaching for a gun, you're saying cops should wait until it's pointed at them?

1) Rifles don't fit into shorts

See above. "Thank goodness he doesn't have the rifle. There's no way he might have something else dangerous."

2) Nobody reaches for a gun while (a) crying for their life (b) multiple officers have their guns pointed at them

He had repeatedly failed to comply. Not responding or acknowledging. Not stopping promptly. Failing to follow instructions (attributable to impairment from intoxication, which he lied about). The officer didn't know what to expect because clearly something was wrong.

Yes you do.

I do what?

Yes it is.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[JSt0rm]

Oh. He can't possibly have more than one gun? Even if it was a real rifle: If you know someone had a rifle, there's a much higher likelihood that person might own multiple guns of various types.



The cop explains very clearly why he was asking the question. VERY clearly.


I skipped back dozens of times the moment it reached that part. All I saw is what the cop saw: The hand inexplicably went back to the waist. They are trained to shoot in this scenario. If training specified otherwise, the police department would be liable for the officers that die. If the guy had been reaching for a gun, you're saying cops should wait until it's pointed at them?



See above. "Thank goodness he doesn't have the rifle. There's no way he might have something else dangerous."


He had repeatedly failed to comply. Not responding or acknowledging. Not stopping promptly. Failing to follow instructions (attributable to impairment from intoxication, which he lied about). The officer didn't know what to expect because clearly something was wrong.



I do what?


Keep telling yourself that.

so cops can tell you to hope on one foot but keep your hands in the air then tell you to switch feet then tell you tp crawl with your hands up then tell you to lay down then tell you to put your arms out and in and up and both left and both right and if you fuck any of that up you die?

 

[Ichinisan]

AZ is a open carry state. That means its legal to wave a gun around.

Yes. I think the response was unwarranted.

 

[Ichinisan]

so cops can tell you to hope on one foot but keep your hands in the air then tell you to switch feet then tell you tp crawl with your hands up then tell you to lay down then tell you to put your arms out and in and up and both left and both right and if you fuck any of that up you die?

He told him to keep his hands in the air. Then he told him to crawl. Oops. Not perfect. LYNCH THE COP for flubbing the instructions!!!!!!

He didn't shoot him for putting his hands down to crawl. He shot him when the hands inexplicably went toward the waist (a little bit after he had started crawling).

 

[Ichinisan]

Good. This is very good. Let's see how hard we can shit on his dead guy. Let's check his browser history too. I bet he looks at teh pronos.

No. Let's try to understand why he may have acted the way he did.

 

[JSt0rm]

He told him to keep his hands in the air. Then he told him to crawl. Oops. Not perfect. LYNCH THE COP for flubbing the instructions!!!!!!

He didn't shoot him for putting his hands down to crawl. He shot him when the hands inexplicably went toward the waist (a little bit after he had started crawling).

and they had him do all that in a open carry state? Does that make sense to you? Why have a open carry law if the cops just come and kill you?