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Originally posted by: Sabot
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: UDT89
Originally posted by: Sabot
This is just the kind of spec work that devalues graphic design as a profession. If you want a logo done properly hire a Graphic Designer, if you want something that some random person comes up with in Photoshop that will be a highly unaffective advertising & communicative tool, by all means get it from here.

i guess so.

if i was a GD and saw this post, i'd do it for $50. $50 is $50. while you might fetch $200 for a logo, how often do logo request fall into your lap on a computer hardware off topic forum?

I usually get plenty more than $200 for a logo. However, I don't mind doing something for a couple of dollars to help out an ATOT'er (if I have the free time).

And because I know you as a graphic designer then I see no problem with you doing it, but you should see my point.
I do see your point. But I think that inferior work that a client is happy with because he or she does not appreciate quality work is what devalues the graphic design profession more so than doing a random job here or there on the cheap.
 
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Sabot
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: UDT89
Originally posted by: Sabot
This is just the kind of spec work that devalues graphic design as a profession. If you want a logo done properly hire a Graphic Designer, if you want something that some random person comes up with in Photoshop that will be a highly unaffective advertising & communicative tool, by all means get it from here.

i guess so.

if i was a GD and saw this post, i'd do it for $50. $50 is $50. while you might fetch $200 for a logo, how often do logo request fall into your lap on a computer hardware off topic forum?

I usually get plenty more than $200 for a logo. However, I don't mind doing something for a couple of dollars to help out an ATOT'er (if I have the free time).

And because I know you as a graphic designer then I see no problem with you doing it, but you should see my point.
I do see your point. But I think that inferior work that a client is happy with because he or she does not appreciate quality work is what devalues the graphic design profession more so than doing a random job here or there on the cheap.

That is exactly what I'm saying - most of the time it's not going to be a professional designer creating an on-the-fly logo off a message board, which propogates this kind of thing. Although, it is always a good laugh to see the attempts.

 
Originally posted by: Sabot
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Sabot
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: UDT89
Originally posted by: Sabot
This is just the kind of spec work that devalues graphic design as a profession. If you want a logo done properly hire a Graphic Designer, if you want something that some random person comes up with in Photoshop that will be a highly unaffective advertising & communicative tool, by all means get it from here.

i guess so.

if i was a GD and saw this post, i'd do it for $50. $50 is $50. while you might fetch $200 for a logo, how often do logo request fall into your lap on a computer hardware off topic forum?

I usually get plenty more than $200 for a logo. However, I don't mind doing something for a couple of dollars to help out an ATOT'er (if I have the free time).

And because I know you as a graphic designer then I see no problem with you doing it, but you should see my point.
I do see your point. But I think that inferior work that a client is happy with because he or she does not appreciate quality work is what devalues the graphic design profession more so than doing a random job here or there on the cheap.

That is exactly what I'm saying - most of the time it's not going to be a professional designer creating an on-the-fly logo off a message board, which propogates this kind of thing. Although, it is always a good laugh to see the attempts.

The air tends to thin the higher your nose goes, Sabot. 😉
 
^ how is that different than a website designer ? Many people can put those together nowadays and do it much cheaper than a "professional" can. How is it that graphics designers are any different ?
 
Originally posted by: MrsBugi
Originally posted by: Sabot
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Sabot
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: UDT89
Originally posted by: Sabot
This is just the kind of spec work that devalues graphic design as a profession. If you want a logo done properly hire a Graphic Designer, if you want something that some random person comes up with in Photoshop that will be a highly unaffective advertising & communicative tool, by all means get it from here.

i guess so.

if i was a GD and saw this post, i'd do it for $50. $50 is $50. while you might fetch $200 for a logo, how often do logo request fall into your lap on a computer hardware off topic forum?

I usually get plenty more than $200 for a logo. However, I don't mind doing something for a couple of dollars to help out an ATOT'er (if I have the free time).

And because I know you as a graphic designer then I see no problem with you doing it, but you should see my point.
I do see your point. But I think that inferior work that a client is happy with because he or she does not appreciate quality work is what devalues the graphic design profession more so than doing a random job here or there on the cheap.

That is exactly what I'm saying - most of the time it's not going to be a professional designer creating an on-the-fly logo off a message board, which propogates this kind of thing. Although, it is always a good laugh to see the attempts.

The air tends to thin the higher your nose goes, Sabot. 😉

Haha I know I'm being a dick, I mean it with humour really. The same type of issue would come up in any other profession though where a simple yet highly useless alternative can be found in the depths of the public sprawl.
 
Originally posted by: UDT89
Originally posted by: loup garou
Originally posted by: UDT89
Originally posted by: daveymark
is it supposed to be misspelled?

yes. Phenix isnt the same as pheonix.
Phenix is a rarely used variant of phoenix.

Pheonix is not a word.

are you another tightass with spelling? i gave the definition in the original post, what more do you want? OBVIOUSLY i dont mean the city in Arizona.

and i know its rare, hence why i picked it. you stick to posting, and i'll stick to running my business.

Either way, 'phenix' isn't even listed in Webster's dictionary. But as you said it's your business, if you want customers thinking you can't spell "phoenix" well that's not my problem.


 
If you actually use the "phenix" spelling, you're going to come across as illiterate. I wouldn't hire someone who couldn't spell the name of his own company.
 
Originally posted by: notfred
If you actually use the "phenix" spelling, you're going to come across as illiterate. I wouldn't hire someone who couldn't spell the name of his own company.

thanks for your advice, unfortunatly people care about my work not the name. and since all my business is word of mouth it doesnt matter.

and the people who's cars i detail usually ask about it, considering im in NY, and i tell them. the meaning being it fits perfectly for a freshly polished and waxed car.

the people who think i spelt it wrong working NY are morons anyway. if i was in AZ its a different story
 
Originally posted by: UDT89
Originally posted by: notfred
If you actually use the "phenix" spelling, you're going to come across as illiterate. I wouldn't hire someone who couldn't spell the name of his own company.

thanks for your advice, unfortunatly people care about my work not the name. and since all my business is word of mouth it doesnt matter.

and the people who's cars i detail usually ask about it, considering im in NY, and i tell them. the meaning being it fits perfectly for a freshly polished and waxed car.

the people who think i spelt it wrong working NY are morons anyway. if i was in AZ its a different story

If it doesn't matter you should spell it right. Or change it to Fenix or something.
 
Originally posted by: Yossarian
Originally posted by: UDT89
Originally posted by: notfred
If you actually use the "phenix" spelling, you're going to come across as illiterate. I wouldn't hire someone who couldn't spell the name of his own company.

thanks for your advice, unfortunatly people care about my work not the name. and since all my business is word of mouth it doesnt matter.

and the people who's cars i detail usually ask about it, considering im in NY, and i tell them. the meaning being it fits perfectly for a freshly polished and waxed car.

the people who think i spelt it wrong working NY are morons anyway. if i was in AZ its a different story

If it doesn't matter you should spell it right. Or change it to Fenix or something.

thanks for your opinion.

this is a logo thread, not a wanna be business consulting thread.

 
Originally posted by: Sabot
Originally posted by: MrsBugi
Originally posted by: Sabot
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Sabot
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: UDT89
Originally posted by: Sabot
This is just the kind of spec work that devalues graphic design as a profession. If you want a logo done properly hire a Graphic Designer, if you want something that some random person comes up with in Photoshop that will be a highly unaffective advertising & communicative tool, by all means get it from here.

i guess so.

if i was a GD and saw this post, i'd do it for $50. $50 is $50. while you might fetch $200 for a logo, how often do logo request fall into your lap on a computer hardware off topic forum?

I usually get plenty more than $200 for a logo. However, I don't mind doing something for a couple of dollars to help out an ATOT'er (if I have the free time).

And because I know you as a graphic designer then I see no problem with you doing it, but you should see my point.
I do see your point. But I think that inferior work that a client is happy with because he or she does not appreciate quality work is what devalues the graphic design profession more so than doing a random job here or there on the cheap.

That is exactly what I'm saying - most of the time it's not going to be a professional designer creating an on-the-fly logo off a message board, which propogates this kind of thing. Although, it is always a good laugh to see the attempts.

The air tends to thin the higher your nose goes, Sabot. 😉

Haha I know I'm being a dick, I mean it with humour really. The same type of issue would come up in any other profession though where a simple yet highly useless alternative can be found in the depths of the public sprawl.

Very true. I'm sure medical professionals are amused by some of the advice circulated by the general public. 😛
 
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: OdiN
I will design one for you, but I'm not going to waste my time doing the whole "Best one gets it" bullshit.

QFT!

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by: rh71
^ how is that different than a website designer ? Many people can put those together nowadays and do it much cheaper than a "professional" can. How is it that graphics designers are any different ?

People who do it in an hour make a site that "looks cool" with the latest internet design fads.

Graphic designers who take the time and make a well thought out desgin give a company an identity that is unique to them.

Where would Nike be if the girl who designed their logo just did something that "looks cool"? The swoosh is the swing of a bat, the arc of a ball, the speed behind a person, they have built an empire where that little logo can raise the price of clothing a couple hundred percent.

Fads die. Identities make companies.

Originally posted by: UDT89
if i was a GD and saw this post, i'd do it for $50. $50 is $50. while you might fetch $200 for a logo, how often do logo request fall into your lap on a computer hardware off topic forum?

If you're expecting just something whipped up and tossed at you, yeah, $50 is awesome. If you're expecting something a bit more in-depth and with some... volume... to it, you wouldn't be asking on an internet forum. Just make sure you know what you are expecting before you settle with something with a public request.
 
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