Throckmorton
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He's absolutely right, $200k is rich if that puts you in the 95th percentile. The bunko Americans keep feeding ourselves that everyone is middle class needs to end. My $37k salary is middle class, and someone making 5x that is rich. End of story.
I'm glad Fox finally admitted that.
I'm glad Fox finally admitted that.
hal2kilo
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They must have misinterpreted the RNC talking points memo today. Except that would be wierd for them to interpret it as it's usually verbatim.
For once they are right.
Obviously the OP makes >$200,000 and has no concept of what real Americans make and go through here.
Fern
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Aside form the usual political spin here in P&N, there is a real point to this story:
Why are people making $200K a year getting a federal subsidy to buy their personal car?
If they do, there is some merit in the claim that this is a federal subsidy in reverse, where average people are helping to pay for richer peoples' cars.
If you're making $200K a year, you don't help buying your car.
Fern
Why are people making $200K a year getting a federal subsidy to buy their personal car?
If they do, there is some merit in the claim that this is a federal subsidy in reverse, where average people are helping to pay for richer peoples' cars.
If you're making $200K a year, you don't help buying your car.
Fern
http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-reti...ldingwealth&cat=fidelity_2010_building_wealth
9-9-2010
How Rich Is Rich?
Experts peg the figure to be somewhere around $2 million to $12 million in savings.
On the high end of that range, a single person living in an expensive part of the country (say, New York City), wanting to retire at 35 would need at least $300,000 a year to feel rich
A yearly income of $300,000 would allow for taxes, a $3,800-a-month apartment (the average price in Manhattan), and a monthly spending allowance of around twelve grand
To generate $300,000 a year beginning at age 35, you'd need a nest egg of just under $12 million. That assumes a conservative investment portfolio generating a return of 5% a year, an inflation rate of 2.5% a year and Social Security benefits of $25,000 a year starting at age 62.
Over time, the shape of your nest egg would resemble a bell curve, growing in the early years, and then declining as inflation required you to withdraw more money to maintain a lifestyle equivalent to $300,000 in 2010. The $12 million would finally dwindle to $934 when you turned 100.
If you live in a low cost part of the country, $100,000 a year should be enough
The Obama administration wants to extend tax cuts for all but the wealthiest Americans, which it defines to be those families making more than $250,000.But that only includes about 2% of the population, according to the Census Bureau.
Kaye cautions not to confuse wealth with income. Some people can make a million a year, but be spending a million and a half. They are not rich, said Kaye.
"Income relates to lifestyle," he said. "Wealth relates to balance sheets."
9-9-2010
How Rich Is Rich?
Experts peg the figure to be somewhere around $2 million to $12 million in savings.
On the high end of that range, a single person living in an expensive part of the country (say, New York City), wanting to retire at 35 would need at least $300,000 a year to feel rich
A yearly income of $300,000 would allow for taxes, a $3,800-a-month apartment (the average price in Manhattan), and a monthly spending allowance of around twelve grand
To generate $300,000 a year beginning at age 35, you'd need a nest egg of just under $12 million. That assumes a conservative investment portfolio generating a return of 5% a year, an inflation rate of 2.5% a year and Social Security benefits of $25,000 a year starting at age 62.
Over time, the shape of your nest egg would resemble a bell curve, growing in the early years, and then declining as inflation required you to withdraw more money to maintain a lifestyle equivalent to $300,000 in 2010. The $12 million would finally dwindle to $934 when you turned 100.
If you live in a low cost part of the country, $100,000 a year should be enough
The Obama administration wants to extend tax cuts for all but the wealthiest Americans, which it defines to be those families making more than $250,000.But that only includes about 2% of the population, according to the Census Bureau.
Kaye cautions not to confuse wealth with income. Some people can make a million a year, but be spending a million and a half. They are not rich, said Kaye.
Nope. You'd barely clear 100k take home after taxes. To save 1 million you'd have to save 100% of your paycheck.
Throckmorton
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Anybody who buys one of those cars gets the subsidy. Those rich people are also getting subsidies on their food through the Farm Bill but I don't see anybody complaining about that.
Throckmorton
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Right, because people making $200k pay 50% in taxes?
Of course, even $100k take home doesn't sound too bad. My salary is $37k but my yearly take home after taxes, insurance, pension, etc is $23,640.
Brainonska511
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Why is the focus on the top 5%? Yes, professionals do well for themselves, but they aren't CEO rich or anything like that and they tend to get hammered by things like the AMT. They still need to work to earn a living. The truly rich are in the top .1%, able to live off massive amounts of passive income.
200K is a lot of money. I know here on ATOT where everyone makes 500K its not a lot. But people go to medical school for 12 years to make that kind of money. Its not million dollar athlete type money, but if you make 200K a year for just 15 years, you are talking about 3.5 Million dollars. Thats a lot of damn money.
Fern Rock I agree. If you are making that kind of money, you don't need a child tax credit and school loan write offs. I believe no matter what house mortage should always be allowed, no cap.
Fern
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Each poor person eats the same amount of food as each wealthy person.
Each poor person has exactly zero chance of getting a gov subsidized Volt, so i think it's a poor comparison.
However, I will take this opportunity you provide to complain about farm subsidies. In the vast majority of cases I strongly oppose them. You're a struggling full-time family-owned farm? OK, I can support some subsidies. You're a huge corporate owned farm? H3ll NO!
Fern
I think people are too focused on the absolute richest of the rich when trying to reconcile whether $200k / yr is rich or not. I mean if you really want to stretch it you could say that anybody worth less than a billion isn't rich just because men like Buffet and Gates exist. Just because someone isn't 'that' rich doesn't mean they're not still rich.
I don't think richness should be measured relative to the crest, that's kind of silly. "Texas isn't big because Alaska is bigger!"
With that said I think someone making $200k could become rich over time through intelligent investing and saving, but the income alone wouldn't necessarily make one rich 'instantly'.
I don't think richness should be measured relative to the crest, that's kind of silly. "Texas isn't big because Alaska is bigger!"
With that said I think someone making $200k could become rich over time through intelligent investing and saving, but the income alone wouldn't necessarily make one rich 'instantly'.
Fern
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Yeah.
The Child Tax Credit etc are phased out for higher earners. (something like $100K in income and you don't get it)
I think the Volt subsidy should too, but I don't think they will because of the way it's administered.
Fern
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Completely agree with this one.
Although I disagree with a lot of other peoples definition of "rich". We make close to $100K (granted, our taxable income is much much lower I think the term is AGI but I may be wrong. I pay someone to do my taxes) and if that magically doubled tomorrow I would be happy as hell and much better off than now but rich? Hardly. I damn sure wouldn't be able to hang out at the country club with the people I consider "rich" or anything like that. Maybe if I kept my current lifestyle, properly invested the additional money and let it grow I would eventually be able to have a lifestyle I consider "rich".
Rich people have big ass fancy houses, two nice ass cars (never older than 3 or 4 years of course), maybe a fancy boat or a $100K+ weekend car, send their kids to $20K/year schools, members of the prestigious country club, etc... I know quite a few "rich" folk and they would jump out of a window if they had to live off of $200K a year (not literally... probably not at least).
theeedude
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200K is median household income for the 10 richest towns in the US.
http://www.notesbit.com/index.php/w...-10-wealthiest-towns-per-capita-income-basis/
If you are making 200K, you are doing well. Sure you are not CEO or a Wall Street leech rich, but you are doing well for yourself.
http://www.notesbit.com/index.php/w...-10-wealthiest-towns-per-capita-income-basis/
If you are making 200K, you are doing well. Sure you are not CEO or a Wall Street leech rich, but you are doing well for yourself.
200k/yr is rich. Just don't be a dumbass about what is purchased with that money. 200k/yr gets you in a better home than most middle class, it gets you in better cars...it doesn't mean you get to buy a mansion or ferrari but you are way better off than most middle class.
How can anyone even think that 200k/yr doesn't make you rich? It doesn't make anyone smarter because their dumbass could turn around and put themselves in so much debt that they can't handle it. But that is their own fault for being stupid with all of the extra money they have over middle class people.
How can anyone even think that 200k/yr doesn't make you rich? It doesn't make anyone smarter because their dumbass could turn around and put themselves in so much debt that they can't handle it. But that is their own fault for being stupid with all of the extra money they have over middle class people.
I would largely agree. If being in the top 1-2percent of income earners in the world doesn't make you rich, NOTHING does. Some people want to argue that they're not rich at those levels, but it's ENTIRELY because they're comparing themselves to the .01percent at the very top. Yes, someone who makes $2,500,000 a year lives richer than someone who makes $250,000...but that person lives JUST as differently as someone who makes $25,000/yr.
The only other caveat is to separate income from wealth. If you give me a billion dollars, but then the next year I don't work, obviously my income is $0, but my wealth makes me rich.
The only other caveat is to separate income from wealth. If you give me a billion dollars, but then the next year I don't work, obviously my income is $0, but my wealth makes me rich.
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MovingTarget
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You have to define "rich" based on some metric. Not everyone is middle class. Why not just take a normalized distribution and declare anything at or above the third quartile and let that be the threshold? The results would be surprising.
Of course, regional differences do affect the perception of being rich. You may not believe that you are rich on the national scale depending on the locality, but it does not change the fact that you are. When considering national policy, you need to use national statistics.
Of course, regional differences do affect the perception of being rich. You may not believe that you are rich on the national scale depending on the locality, but it does not change the fact that you are. When considering national policy, you need to use national statistics.
hal2kilo
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Why do you guys always lie. It's 37 percent on the MARGINAL amount.! So your math is wrong.
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