Majority of Union Workers work for Government!!!

[Hacp]

In its annual report on union membership, the bureau undercut the longstanding notion that union members are overwhelmingly blue-collar factory workers. It found that membership fell so fast in the private sector in 2009 that the 7.9 million unionized public-sector workers easily outnumbered those in the private sector, where labor’s ranks shrank to 7.4 million, from 8.2 million in 2008.

“They depend on extra money for the public sector, and that puts the Democrats in a difficult position. In four big states — New York, New Jersey, Illinois and California — the public-sector unions have largely been untouched by the economic downturn. In those states, you have an impeding clash between the public-sector unions and the public at large.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/business/23labor.html?hp

New York and California both have huge budget defecits but the public sector unions have been untouched. Maybe, just maybe the reason we have the defecits is because we hire expensive union workers rather than cheap and efficient non-union workers.

 

[Craig234]

Let's fix that and return the number of union workes in the private sector to many more.

 

[Steeplerot]

Right on,

Let's use prisoners, they are cheapest of all!

They can have mailperson postal gladiator matches while big boobed foxnews bimbos cheer and senators emblazoned in corporate logos crash in demolition derbys of traded in foreign cars.

 

[nick1985]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/business/23labor.html?hp

New York and California both have huge budget defecits but the public sector unions have been untouched. Maybe, just maybe the reason we have the defecits is because we hire expensive union workers rather than cheap and efficient non-union workers.

Dont know what you are talking about do ya?

You should see how much a lot of the union workers make at my government job. $11.50/hr... rofl

 

[Red Dawn]

Dont know what you are talking about do ya?

You should see how much a lot of the union workers make at my government job. $11.50/hr... rofl

Well if you follow HACP's posts you'd see he has a major hard on for Unions. He'd like nothing better than to outlaw American Workers rights to organize

 

[Hacp]

Dont know what you are talking about do ya?

You should see how much a lot of the union workers make at my government job. $11.50/hr... rofl

Add pensions, health care, 401ks, overtime and SS and soon it becomes real money.

According to the labor bureau, median weekly earnings for full-time unionized workers were $908 last year, compared with $710 for workers not represented by unions. The bureau attributed this difference not just to unionization but also to variations by occupation, industry and company size.

Notwithstanding the recession, government employment grew last year, inching up 16,000, to 22,516,000, according to the bureau.

Now reduce spending on union employees by 20% and I'm sure our budget problems will be better. There is 200 billion in savings if we reduced union earnings to non-union levels

 

[nick1985]

Add pensions, health care, 401ks, overtime and SS and soon it becomes real money.

There is no 401k or overtime.

BTW I just checked our website for employment opportunities, and some of the jobs start at $8.00 /hr.

Overpaid huh? Get real, the vast majority of government union jobs dont make squat. Its not the UAW

 

[nick1985]

Well if you follow HACP's posts you'd see he has a major hard on for Unions. He'd like nothing better than to outlaw American Workers rights to organize

Ahh ok. That explains it.

 

[Hacp]

There is no 401k or overtime.

BTW I just checked our website for employment opportunities, and some of the jobs start at $8.00 /hr.

Overpaid huh? Get real, the vast majority of government union jobs dont make squat. Its not the UAW

full-time unionized workers were $908 last year, compared with $710 for workers not represented by unions

 

[ChunkiMunki]

if union workers make more money, why wouldn't you want to be in one?

Our grocery store employees in my area are mostly represented by the UFCW, and the clerks make $15 an hour, retirement plan, health-care, dental plan, etc. but the clerks at Wal-Mart and Target make $8 an hour with no benefits at all, and wonder why they don't even look to joining a union.

 

[bctbct]

The article pretty much explained the reason for the shift, you dumb or something?

 

[Hacp]

if union workers make more money, why wouldn't you want to be in one?

Our grocery store employees in my area are mostly represented by the UFCW, and the clerks make $15 an hour, retirement plan, health-care, dental plan, etc. but the clerks at Wal-Mart and Target make $8 an hour with no benefits at all, and wonder why they don't even look to joining a union.

Plenty of people want to be part of unions. The thing is that people don't want to hire union workers cause they cost too dam much. Only government will hire union workers cause they have unlimited funds to waste.

 

[ProfJohn]

if union workers make more money, why wouldn't you want to be in one?

Our grocery store employees in my area are mostly represented by the UFCW, and the clerks make $15 an hour, retirement plan, health-care, dental plan, etc. but the clerks at Wal-Mart and Target make $8 an hour with no benefits at all, and wonder why they don't even look to joining a union.

Which grocery store and how would you say their prices compare to Wal-Mart or Target??

 

[notposting]

Cheaper and more efficient non-union labor in construction, that's the way to go!








then that way, we unionized skilled trades workers can come in and fix the shitty, overbudget, and overdue work that the non-union crews did. But there sure were a lot of them swarming around and skipping breaks to get it done wrong! looked very impressive!

 

[notposting]

Which grocery store and how would you say their prices compare to Wal-Mart or Target??

Don't know about him, but we shop at Kroger and it's prices are right in line with the rest. Of course, I also go to the checkout with a cashier (and bagger) instead of some damn machine that gets pissy about something or a system where I get to bag everything myself for them. Certainly not resulting in lower costs for me to do that for them.

 

[ProfJohn]

Let's fix that and return the number of union workes in the private sector to many more.

So... Mr Anti-Corporatism,

What do you have to say about government unions and their control over our country and the Democrat Party???

We are in the middle of the worst recession in nearly 30 years. Unemployment is double what it was just a few years ago. And yet unionized government employees have not felt one bit of pain.

States like New York and California have huge budget deficits, largely caused by union payrolls, and yet the leaders of those states are so scared of the unions that they will do anything they can to balance the deficits, except cut union payrolls. They're raising taxes in NY and student fees in Cali and cutting services across the board, but they won't touch the unions and their pay or benefits.

In these two states the unions have essentially taken over the states through their control of the Democrat Party. Their union dues fund the party and their vast numbers allow them to force the party to do their biding.

Any candidate who doesn't walk lock step with the unions faces a primary challenge or gets their largest source of funding cut off costing them their office. Then come general election the large Democrat majority in each state ensures that union approved Democrats stay in control of the state legislatures.

So we now have at least two states that are controlled by public unions who are more interested in their own self interest than the interest of the people who they are suppose to be working for.

What do you have to say about this?

 

[Genx87]

Let's fix that and return the number of union workes in the private sector to many more.

You forgot to add "at the end of a gun".

 

[Genx87]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/business/23labor.html?hp

New York and California both have huge budget defecits but the public sector unions have been untouched. Maybe, just maybe the reason we have the defecits is because we hire expensive union workers rather than cheap and efficient non-union workers.

Yes, this is no surprise. I believe unionized workers only represent something like 6-8% of the private workforce now. Unions have fortified themselves into govt as it is the only place that doesnt require turning a profit and you can bribe your boss for a raise.

 

[Genx87]

There is no 401k or overtime.

BTW I just checked our website for employment opportunities, and some of the jobs start at $8.00 /hr.

Overpaid huh? Get real, the vast majority of government union jobs dont make squat. Its not the UAW

Where do you work?

 

[ProfJohn]

Don't know about him, but we shop at Kroger and it's prices are right in line with the rest. Of course, I also go to the checkout with a cashier (and bagger) instead of some damn machine that gets pissy about something or a system where I get to bag everything myself for them. Certainly not resulting in lower costs for me to do that for them.

Please define 'the rest' ??

I can claim that Harris Teeter has prices that are in line with Publix and Lowes Foods, but they are all a hell of a lot more expensive than Walmart, Food Lion or Super Target.

As a consumer I have a choice. I can spend more and shop at the nice high end store, or I can save some money and shop at Walmart.

When it comes to government though I have no choice. We are all now paying for high end government. The obvious difference of course is that when I shop at the high end grocery store I get high end service, but when I 'shop' at our government I don't high end service. Instead I am paying a Kroger prices for Wal-Mart service.

 

[ProfJohn]

There is no 401k or overtime.

BTW I just checked our website for employment opportunities, and some of the jobs start at $8.00 /hr.

Overpaid huh? Get real, the vast majority of government union jobs dont make squat. Its not the UAW

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704509704575019552907349936.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

The labor movement has, thus far, been very successful in this goal. The average worker for a state or local government earns $39.83 an hour in wages and benefits compared to $27.49 an hour in the private sector.[13] While over 80 percent of state and local workers have pensions, just 50 percent of private-sector workers do.[14] These differences remain after controlling for education, skills, and demographics.[15] Taxpayers now pay for unionized government jobs paying notably more than those available in the private sector.

 

[Craig234]

Plenty of people want to be part of unions. The thing is that people don't want to hire union workers cause they cost too dam much. Only government will hire union workers cause they have unlimited funds to waste.

More BS from an ideologue.

They don't have 'unlimited funds'. The government usually very low budget compared to private.

 

[Craig234]

So... Mr Anti-Corporatism,

What do you have to say about government unions and their control over our country and the Democrat Party???

We are in the middle of the worst recession in nearly 30 years. Unemployment is double what it was just a few years ago. And yet unionized government employees have not felt one bit of pain.

States like New York and California have huge budget deficits, largely caused by union payrolls, and yet the leaders of those states are so scared of the unions that they will do anything they can to balance the deficits, except cut union payrolls. They're raising taxes in NY and student fees in Cali and cutting services across the board, but they won't touch the unions and their pay or benefits.

In these two states the unions have essentially taken over the states through their control of the Democrat Party. Their union dues fund the party and their vast numbers allow them to force the party to do their biding.

Any candidate who doesn't walk lock step with the unions faces a primary challenge or gets their largest source of funding cut off costing them their office. Then come general election the large Democrat majority in each state ensures that union approved Democrats stay in control of the state legislatures.

So we now have at least two states that are controlled by public unions who are more interested in their own self interest than the interest of the people who they are suppose to be working for.

What do you have to say about this?

There's no one simple answer about it, sometimes unions are guilty of excess. It'd not easy to talk to the right about because you have to look at the fact, and they're usually hysterical.

 

[Genx87]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704509704575019552907349936.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

I am really curious where Nick works. When I look at govt jobs in my sector they honestly pay well above the avg for the private sector. I have friends who have worked up and down the chain in govt jobs and I have never heard of an 8 dollar an hour govt job. I cant even imagine what they are doing.

 

[nick1985]

More BS from an ideologue.

They don't have 'unlimited funds'. The government usually very low budget compared to private.

Holy fuck, I agree with Craig.