Majority of poorest cities in USA has a Democrat mayor?!

[JEDI]

from this thread about cities with % of citizens in Poverty:
http://www.arguewitheveryone.c...ies-united-states.html

1. Detroit, 33.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years
2. Cleveland, 30.5% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 years
3. Buffalo, 30.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 43 years
4. Newark, 26.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 102 years
5. Miami, 25.6% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years
6. Fresno, 25.5% in poverty--Republican Mayor for the last 13 years
7. Cincinnati, 25.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 29 years
8. Toledo, 24.7% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 years
9. El Paso, 24.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 120 years
10. Philadelphia, 24.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 57 years

only 1 republican on that list? :Q

So if the list if true, what does this say about Democrats in running a city?
and why havent they been able to lift the city out of poverty?


Here's another list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...s_in_the_United_States

Lowest-income counties in the United States
Number of counties by state in the 100 poorest counties: Texas, 17; Kentucky, 16; Mississippi, 14; South Dakota, 10; Louisiana, 5; Alabama, 4; Georgia, 4; Montana, 4; New Mexico, 4; North Dakota, 3; Arizona, 2; Idaho, 2; Nebraska, 2; Tennessee, 2; West Virginia, 2; Alaska, 1; Arkansas, 1; Colorado, 1; Florida, 1; Missouri, 1; Oklahoma, 1; South Carolina, 1; Utah, 1; Wisconsin, 1.

Twenty-six states do not have any counties in the 100 poorest counties.

 

[JSt0rm]

lol cleveland. dumb fucks.

Lowest-income counties in the United States
Number of counties by state in the 100 poorest counties: Texas, 17; Kentucky, 16; Mississippi, 14; South Dakota, 10; Louisiana, 5; Alabama, 4; Georgia, 4; Montana, 4; New Mexico, 4; North Dakota, 3; Arizona, 2;

^^^^^this is all democrat? looks like the entire south is on that list of poverty.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: JEDI

1. Detroit, 33.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years Lost all KINDS of manufacturing jobs and automotive
2. Cleveland, 30.5% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 yearsLost all KINDS of manufacturing jobs, and steel
3. Buffalo, 30.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 43 years
4. Newark, 26.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 102 years
5. Miami, 25.6% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years
6. Fresno, 25.5% in poverty--Republican Mayor for the last 13 years
7. Cincinnati, 25.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 29 years
8. Toledo, 24.7% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 yearsLost all KINDS of manufacturing jobs, and glass and automotive
9. El Paso, 24.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 120 years
10. Philadelphia, 24.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 57 years

note, i am not democrat, but i did add a bit to that list...
those three which i have some sort of knowledge of, seeing as i grew up outside of CLE, and now live in Detroit Jr... errr Toledo... they have recently in the past say 20 years lost a LOT of jobs due to outsourcing and the reliance on manufacturing... however the fact that the infrastructure in those cities is outdated, does have a bit to do with why they have not bounced back.

 

[JSt0rm]

yeah half those cities are in the rust belt so I wouldn't be surprised if it had more to do with that then dems.

 

[Double Trouble]

Drawing a conclusion about the cause of the problem from a list like that is overly simplistic -- there are a LOT of variables that go into it, not just "is the mayor a democrat or not". I can think of many reasons why democrats running any area is a bad thing, but I don't think you can draw that conclusion from such a list.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Keep 'em poor. Promise them the world. They will vote for you forever.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Keep 'em poor. Promise them the world. They will vote for you forever.

Is that why most of the poor counties are in traditional R strongholds?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Drawing a conclusion about the cause of the problem from a list like that is overly simplistic --

example of such thought process:

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Keep 'em poor. Promise them the world. They will vote for you forever.

 

[newnameman]

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Keep 'em poor. Promise them the world. They will vote for you forever.

Is that why most of the poor counties are in traditional R strongholds?

Here are some election results I compiled for the top 5 counties on that wiki list:

1.Buffalo County, South Dakota -Cast 73% of votes for Obama.
2.Shannon County, South Dakota - From wiki: "It also has the distinction of having the highest percentage of Democratic votes for President in the 2004 election of any county in the US (85%) and in 2008 with 89.9% of votes cast for Barack Obama"
3.Starr County, Texas - From wiki: "Starr County has long been a strongly Democratic county ... No Republican has won the county in over a century[6] and the county favored Michael Dukakis by the highest percentage in the nation.[7] Starr County is among a handful of counties in Texas that gave the majority of their votes to Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts."
4. Ziebach County, South Dakota - Voted 62% for Obama.
5. Todd County, South Dakota - Voted 78% for Obama.

Feel free to check more entries in the list if you want, but at least for the top 5 poorest counties, it holds that they vote overwhelmingly Democratic.

 

[JSt0rm]

interesting.

 

[Craig234]

The buildings in cities with the highest percent of poor people are hospitals. Clearly, hospitals make people sick

Learn causation vs. correlation, Jedi.

There's a similar fallacy about how the states who execute the most tend to have the highest murder rates.

As much as capital punishment opponenets like me might like to have one more argument, it's bad logic to say that proves capital punishment does oe does not increase murders.

In that case, an alternate explanation can simply be that people who are especially worried about murder take especially strong measures against it.

Just as poor people get the best anti-poverty leaders they ca, the democrats.

If you want to make the argument you made, you need to put a little effort in and show the policies of the democrats and why they 'cause' poverty.

 

[LunarRay]

Is it surprising that poor cities tend toward the liberal grace and away from the evil rich conservatives?

What policies can a mayor enact that can alter the income of the citizens? The Governors have a few things like tax policy incentives to attract job providing business but the economy is generally controlled by the monetary policy of the Fed, the fiscal policy of the Congress/Executive and the insanity of our free market policy.

Poor folks will always be poor folks no matter what. It is that strange phenomenon that exists in a Capitalistic type socio/economic Nation. Someone has to work for cheap. And someone has to be rich. The key is to have as many as possible in the middle of it all.

 

[her209]

Is there a minimum population cutoff for cities?

 

[Colt45]

No shit, working poor voting for people that support them (somewhat at least).


What is really confusing is people making $20k a year that vote republican.
The only possible exception I could see is people that live in the boondocks, live off the land, where govn't programs don't have much reach * AND* the Republican party was run by actual conservatives, like Goldwater or something. You know, a conservative party that is for little to no tax, and little to no government - the kind of party that would benefit a dude out in the sticks. Maybe they just haven't realized that isn't what modern republicans are about, you'd think they'd have caught on in 40 years, though.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

As far as NY state goes, the Dems promise no changes to welfare. They have the everlasting support of a significant number of voters.

The motto seems to be "if you give a man a fish he'll keep coming back for more". That's the problem with the so called "progressive" ideas of dealing with poverty. If someone even hints of any changes they are clubbed like baby seals.

 

[Double Trouble]

The premise that the people need government to "help" them to live their lives is critically flawed, and it's at the root of every liberal's notion of how government should work. Still, I'd have to agree with Craig, that list doesn't say anything about causation.

 

[Genx87]

I bring up this list often when liberal twits argue republicans cant govern. I am assured democrats start to shine at the national level.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I bring up this list often when liberal twits argue republicans cant govern. I am assured democrats start to shine at the national level.

The reality is that it probably has less to do with who can or can't govern, and more to do with the people they are trying to govern.

 

[Sclamoz]

It seems to me the poor would favor democrats who at least pretend to care about them versus republicans who are for the rich and big business.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Sclamoz
It seems to me the poor would favor democrats who at least pretend to care about them versus republicans who are for the rich and big business.

The Dems provide the handouts.

The Repubs provide the opportunity.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

The Repubs provide the opportunity.

By starting unnecessary wars so the poor can have to opportunity to serve in the wars

 

[Sclamoz]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Sclamoz
It seems to me the poor would favor democrats who at least pretend to care about them versus republicans who are for the rich and big business.

The Dems provide the handouts.

The Repubs provide the opportunity.

For the rich you mean.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: Sclamoz

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Sclamoz
It seems to me the poor would favor democrats who at least pretend to care about them versus republicans who are for the rich and big business.

The Dems provide the handouts.

The Repubs provide the opportunity.

For the rich you mean.

And there's always the opportunity to be whisked away to a government facility on foreign soil for some hot and heavy waterboarding.

 

[Svnla]

Humm, New Orleans anyone?

Chocolate Ray Nagin and Ward 9 and surrounding areas FTL.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: JEDI

1. Detroit, 33.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years Lost all KINDS of manufacturing jobs and automotive
2. Cleveland, 30.5% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 yearsLost all KINDS of manufacturing jobs, and steel
3. Buffalo, 30.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 43 years
4. Newark, 26.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 102 years
5. Miami, 25.6% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years
6. Fresno, 25.5% in poverty--Republican Mayor for the last 13 years
7. Cincinnati, 25.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 29 years
8. Toledo, 24.7% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 yearsLost all KINDS of manufacturing jobs, and glass and automotive
9. El Paso, 24.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 120 years
10. Philadelphia, 24.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 57 years

note, i am not democrat, but i did add a bit to that list...
those three which i have some sort of knowledge of, seeing as i grew up outside of CLE, and now live in Detroit Jr... errr Toledo... they have recently in the past say 20 years lost a LOT of jobs due to outsourcing and the reliance on manufacturing... however the fact that the infrastructure in those cities is outdated, does have a bit to do with why they have not bounced back.

Yeah we are offloading all our jobs over seas , I wonder which party supports that?