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Majorities in the House and the Senate approve KeystoneXL

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cubby1223 said:
Regardless of where it is being used, wouldn't at the very least having the oil is refined using American labor be a good thing?
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The choice of if it's going to be exported or kept for domestic use can always change. Who are they trying to kid that it will only be exported?
 
werepossum said:
There was a study a decade or two back asking the Beltway press to self-identify its Presidential voting. If memory serves it was almost 90% Democrat; even the Greens had more support than did the Pubbies.

There is indeed not an eyeroll emoticon big enough to overcome reality.
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But aren't we always told by Faux News that they are "Americas most watched news channel"?

You shills wear the victim cape so proudly...makes for good sound bytes I suppose..."but I repeat myself", lulz.
 
werepossum said:
If studying something for two years constitutes rushing in, we deserve to fail as a country. Just as a child who waits two years before opening his/her Halloween candy deserves to get sick from it
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actually the planners of keystone xl themselves have said they would rather let the studies happen but the repubs grabbed it and ran with it for political reasons. They said they wished the republicans didnt politicize the issue.
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
Anyone that has seen the many maps of how many pipelines are crossing over these stated aquifers and other areas across the US understands that your dribble is complete hysteria induced eco fear-mongering.

In the end this oil will make its way onto the market with either the US and US companies taking a cut or directly from Canada into China who will then use this oil for all sorts of industrial uses. The later gives added benefit to the US economy the former helps out China more then it will help us
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So, wanting to protect American water resources is "fear-mongering".

Saying "Oh no, we can't let China get its hands on Canadian crude" is not?

Sounds logical
 
http://floppingaces.net/2012/03/09/...eft-wing-press-swallows-it-whole-reader-post/

Be sure to click on the links in the article.

This is going to be one of THE most fun elections I think I've ever experienced. There is sooo much information out there showing Obama to be not what he likes to portray himself as. His agenda is simple to understand for anyone willing to look and pay attention.

History books will in the future (assuming we're still allowed to have them) show this election to be a turning point. An Obama win will have this country going in a direction of certain failure. An Obama loss will just slow the process of course to another day and time. With a win, it will be interesting to have a ringside seat like we will. It won't be fun or pleasant, but it will take a few years to unfold. The fair and equal distribution of misery will commence posthaste!
 
boomerang said:
http://floppingaces.net/2012/03/09/...eft-wing-press-swallows-it-whole-reader-post/

Be sure to click on the links in the article.

This is going to be one of THE most fun elections I think I've ever experienced. There is sooo much information out there showing Obama to be not what he likes to portray himself as. His agenda is simple to understand for anyone willing to look and pay attention.

History books will in the future (assuming we're still allowed to have them) show this election to be a turning point. An Obama win will have this country going in a direction of certain failure. An Obama loss will just slow the process of course to another day and time. With a win, it will be interesting to have a ringside seat like we will. It won't be fun or pleasant, but it will take a few years to unfold. The fair and equal distribution of misery will commence posthaste!
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So my question is simple, do you actually believe what you just wrote?

This sort of goes into what I mentioned in a different thread. I've been wondering lately if the sense of political alienation that Americans feel has enabled people to feel free to hold manifestly insane political positions without consequence. Since they feel that politicians aren't listening to them, they don't feel any responsibility to behave in an adult, non-insane manner.

From there you get people saying that assuming history books haven't been banned by Obama's Kenyan Communist Thought Police, they will show that our country went down the path to certain failure because we re-elected a moderate liberal president.

Sometimes you guys make me feel sad for America. When did you go insane?


No insults or personal attacks.

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When did you go insane?
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eskimospy said:
So my question is simple, do you actually believe what you just wrote?

This sort of goes into what I mentioned in a different thread. I've been wondering lately if the sense of political alienation that Americans feel has enabled people to feel free to hold manifestly insane political positions without consequence. Since they feel that politicians aren't listening to them, they don't feel any responsibility to behave in an adult, non-insane manner.

From there you get people saying that assuming history books haven't been banned by Obama's Kenyan Communist Thought Police, they will show that our country went down the path to certain failure because we re-elected a moderate liberal president.

Sometimes you guys make me feel sad for America. When did you go insane?
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Agreed, seems like the internet, 24 hour "news" channels are really screwing us up. Reality, facts, fantasy, and opinion are interchangeable now. Instead of having discussions people just laugh at the other person, even when they have no idea what they are talking about.
 
Of course what was barely reported in the US is Canada almost instantly went to China to sell them their oil that Obama turned down. I wonder how much ChiCom money got stashed into Obama's pocket for this deal?
 
ky54 said:
Of course what was barely reported in the US is Canada almost instantly went to China to sell them their oil that Obama turned down. I wonder how much ChiCom money got stashed into Obama's pocket for this deal?
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You believe that Obama personally profited by denying an oil pipeline through payments from the Chinese government?

See my previous post. When did people go insane?
 
feralkid said:
So, wanting to protect American water resources is "fear-mongering".
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You aren't actually advocating protecting "Americas water resource" when the fact remains that thousands of pipe lines crisscross these aquifers. What you are doing is advocating against this specific pipeline over ideological political reasons.



Saying "Oh no, we can't let China get its hands on Canadian crude" is not?

Sounds logical
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It is not sound or logical to turn down an opportunity for tax paying US companies to turn a profit by refining said oil before it reaches the shores of China (or any other nation that bids for it) or the ability to have this refined oil easily end up in the US in times of need by virtue of it being refined in the US.
 
JSt0rm said:
actually the planners of keystone xl themselves have said they would rather let the studies happen but the repubs grabbed it and ran with it for political reasons. They said they wished the republicans didnt politicize the issue.
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This. Repubs are desperate for "issues", and they'll make them up out of thin air when that's all they've got.

Nebraskans do not want the pipeline to go through the sandhills, but rather around, and have said so with the voices of their largely Repub unicameral legislature & their Governor. They have the power to make that happen, so repub squawking at the national level is moot, just a raving-point against Obama. The law of unintended consequences looms large, as well, because the current oversupply of Canadian crude keeps midwest gas prices depressed. With the pipeline, regional prices are projected to go up as that crude is sent to Texas for processing & export to more lucrative foreign markets.

As expected, our usual resident ravers won't let anything like that interfere with the formulation of their opinions, obviously.
 
cybrsage said:
I agree, and said ravers usually shout "Koch Brothers" at every opportunity.
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Meh. It's obvious that Repub desperation & big money from Oil & Gas interests are driving the "debate", such as it is-

So what’s the going rate for a pro-polluter agenda in Congress? Big Oil’s friends in the House–among them Speaker John Boehner — have reaped over $12 million from the oil & gas industry in just the last 2 years. And according to OpenSecrets.org, the six senators behind the new Keystone bill have accepted more than $3 million in campaign contributions from the oil & gas industry.
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http://links.visibli.com/f13175188c...the-dirty-money-influence-behind-keystone-xl/
 
So how many Democratic Senators joined with the Republicans on this? 10? 11? 12? Maybe just the ones that want a chance to be re-elected? Go ahead and ride this issue right into losing the Senate in 2012, i'd be a happy camper.
 
monovillage said:
So how many Democratic Senators joined with the Republicans on this? 10? 11? 12? Maybe just the ones that want a chance to be re-elected? Go ahead and ride this issue right into losing the Senate in 2012, i'd be a happy camper.
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Maybe just the ones making a show of doing what their contributors want them to do.

And if this is the biggest issue that Repubs can muster, if it can possibly surpass their attack on women's rights issues, their obvious obstructionism wrt nominees, financial reform, consumer protections, their insistence on more tax cuts for the wealthy, & the contrived debt ceiling fracas, then the electorate will have arrived at complete stupidity.
 
etrigan420 said:
But aren't we always told by Faux News that they are "Americas most watched news channel"?

You shills wear the victim cape so proudly...makes for good sound bytes I suppose..."but I repeat myself", lulz.
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Fox News is America's most watched CABLE news channel; many more people get their news from network news and even the Daily Show. One day you might be able to understand the difference.

Pointing out reality isn't being a victim, it's just being honest.

JSt0rm said:
actually the planners of keystone xl themselves have said they would rather let the studies happen but the repubs grabbed it and ran with it for political reasons. They said they wished the republicans didnt politicize the issue.
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Brave, brave Sir Obama, protecting Keystone from itself by letting it die like its planners wanted.
 
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