Major violent protest in UC Berkeley

[Starbuck1975]

Can't fix stupid.

I missed all the fun. I was on the Bart and passed through Berkeley literally an hour before the event. I could have stopped to get some photos and toast some S'mores.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Is that the guy who keeps getting punched in the face?

Spencer? Maybe he could save folks the trouble and simply punch himself in the face.

 

[qliveur]

Are you implying that so many people don't like him just because he smells bad? Is he a saint who 'speaks the truth' and it's all just an evil liberal conspiracy to silence him?

That is a logical fallacy known as an "appeal to the majority," which I don't think is even the case here.

And they most definitely are trying to silence him because they disagree with what he says, but they don't seem to have an effective counterargument.

I guess that it's just a coincidence that this violence seems to follow him wherever he goes, right?

And who's perpetrating the violence?

Hint: it's not his supporters.

I've never done any of those things you mentioned, so that makes me allowed to have any opinion about what makes 'decent people.'

Bully for you, but you seem to be blaming Milo for the actions of those who do do those things.

If you're looking for someone blame for the violence, maybe you should look into whomever's encouraging these people to use violence to shut Milo up.

Don't you have a mosque to shoot up?

Ad hominem. Another logical fallacy.

 

[Capt Caveman]

It's not conservatives using violence, firebombs and pepper spray.

"Here protesters are trying to firebomb the building where the speech was scheduled to be held"

"10:39 PM UPDATE: After a female Trump supporter concludes an interview with a local reporter, anti-Milo protesters pepper spray her. "
https://news.grabien.com/story-masked-protesters-starting-fires-tearing-down-fences-outside-1

Yeah, they just go into Mosques and kill Muslims.

 

[MrSquished]

there is a fringe element to the left which likes to get violent. they tend to be anarchists. i have never known a leftist that gets violent, and during many massive protests there has been next to zero violent outbreaks.

unfortunately it gives righties ammunition. they aren't the brightest and sharpest tools in the shed and so they scream 'this is anything left of center!' to the fringe protesters.

i'd love to see a world where the majority of the overly judgemental right gets stuck on an island with some radical leftists. they can all go eat shit together

 

[qliveur]

I don't want him shut down. I thought I was clear about this earlier. The best way to deal with people like Milo is to ignore them. That's what I do with Madonna too.

Sorry, I didn't see this earlier.

I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[WelshBloke]

Unfortunately, bastions of left-wing ideology like our college campus don't allow free speech. In fact, they'll violently demonstrate to prevent it, ban people from speaking, and even discourage comedians from performing on their campus. Safe spaces only apply to those they want them to. The left wing is quickly turning into the same fascists they claim to hate.

Is there any reason that the left as a whole should be more tolerant than the right?

 

[Vic]

Nm

 

[baydude]

Wow so instead of speaking to 200 students at Cal, Milo now gets an hour of coverage on all news network at a national level and 15 minutes on Tucker Carlson

 

[Victorian Gray]

Wow so instead of speaking to 200 students at Cal, Milo now gets an hour of coverage on all news network at a national level and 15 minutes on Tucker Carlson

He's pretty good at being an agent provocateur and it appears to pay well. He's lucky that he has the Black Block types to rely on though. Without them he'd probably have to work a lot harder at his job.

 

[WelshBloke]

Wow so instead of speaking to 200 students at Cal, Milo now gets an hour of coverage on all news network at a national level and 15 minutes on Tucker Carlson

Good.

I'm definitely a supporter of the "Hey guys come and listen to the arsehole being an arsehole!" approach. Milos a cockroach, he thrives in the dark and dirty corners of the internet. Time to shine some light on him.

 

[Pulsar]

Is there any reason that the left as a whole should be more tolerant than the right?

Absolutely. Because if we all take your attitude, then we lower ourselves to the lowest common denominator. That's like being the olympics and claiming victory because you aren't in LAST place. They should strive to be the best they can be. Act the way they want others to act. I normally lean right but I'm ashamed of what the right is doing. Unfortunately, I'm just as ashamed at how the left is acting in response.

 

[WelshBloke]

Absolutely. Because if we all take your attitude, then we lower ourselves to the lowest common denominator. That's like being the olympics and claiming victory because you aren't in LAST place. They should strive to be the best they can be. Act the way they want others to act. I normally lean right but I'm ashamed of what the right is doing. Unfortunately, I'm just as ashamed at how the left is acting in response.

You're making that mistake of looking at the right and left as two monolithic blocks. Thats not how it works at all.

Parts of the left have never been tolerant. Try going to a communist party meeting and suggesting that business owners bring more value than the workers.

There are plenty of things that we really should be intolerant of. I don't think that anyone would debate that, the argument lies in where that line is drawn.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Very ironic that this is the same university that had free speech riots in 1964/1965.

You show them liberals of UC Berkeley - use violence and intimidation to silence any speech you disagree with.

Hey that sounds like fascism. Hmmm.

 

[WelshBloke]

Hey that sounds like fascism. Hmmm.

Not really.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Not really.

Please enlighten us as to why this is not fascism.

 

[WelshBloke]

Please enlighten us as to why this is not fascism.

Because it just isn't. Fascism is a lot more than just violently protesting something.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Because it just isn't. Fascism is a lot more than just violently protesting something.

It doesn't sound like you have a coherent argument as to why this is not fascism. I presume if you did, you would have enlightened us.

You could have said, for example, that this is not fascism because fascism typically has a strong leader, which this movement obviously lacks.

In other respects, it does strongly resemble fascism though. They are as intolerant of other ways of thinking as the most ardent fascist. And, they resort to violence and intimidation to get their way, also much like fascists.

 

[WelshBloke]

It doesn't sound like you have a coherent argument as to why this is not fascism. I presume if you did, you would have enlightened us.

Or you could go look up what constitutes Fascism as you made the statement that something was fascist.

 

[WelshBloke]

They are as intolerant of other ways of thinking as the most ardent fascist. And, they resort to violence and intimidation to get their way, also much like fascists.

They also need to drink water like fascists and breath oxygen like fascists.

 

[Victorian Gray]

They also need to drink water like fascists and breath oxygen like fascists.

I blame the education system.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I guess when shouting down any opinions that don't coincide with your own doesn't work then it's time for violence.

 

[superstition]

One of the biggest problems in our poltiics is the lack of debate. The lack of the ability for 2 sane, rational people to have a disagreement and walk away simply saying "I disagree with their opinion, however, I gave my thoughts, and they gave their thoughts".

Let me know when cannibals and child rape advocates are given a platform for this "disagreement".

The bottom line is:

1) There is no such thing as free speech. Having anyone come and speak carries a price tag. The big question is whether or not the cost–benefit ratio makes it worthwhile to have it happen.

2) Opinions are not whimsical and meaningless. They're not subjective. Objectively, they are placed on a scale of accurate to inaccurate based on reality. Garbage-tier opinions aren't worth anyone's time unless they're into Dada humor.

3) People do not have infinite time to vet everything. When garbage-tier opinions are put out there, by invitation, they are given a level of respect that suggests they might be worthwhile.

 

[superstition]

Smearing your own feces all over yourself is not a good way to live your life. Seriously.

What are you talking about?

 

[superstition]

Where were the faculty to defend Berkeley's proud history of defending free speech.

Which campus had the students who were just sitting on the ground pepper-sprayed in their faces by police, with the chancellor refusing to resign?