Major life changing decision that I need to make.

Locut0s

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I think most here already know my story. Currently living at home with parents @ 28, have about 1/2 a degree in university that I have not used, been working retail jobs for about 5 years, suffered off and on from major issues with depression / anxiety / social phobia etc etc etc.. At any rate one thing that I need to do sooner or later is move out of the house into my own place. The question is when I should do this. It's a little more complicated than it sounds at first. I definitely want to go back to university or college to get a degree or something like it (possibly in math, physics, comp sci, or some combination of those). Doing so will of course require money. Living on my own will also of course require an income.

Now I have saved up over the years a "nest egg", if you want to call it that, of about $60k. [I'm probably not as good a saver as that makes it sound as I've spend probably 25K+ over the years on tech toys computers home theatre stuff and goo ga's I just don't have a car or any other expenses] I've been thinking that I could use this as a down-payment on an apartment (something in the low 100K range) and carry a small mortgage. My mother has also offered to help me with the down-payment. Only thing is that this money could also go towards completely paying for my degree and more which would leave me debt free when leaving university/college (+some money left over). If I used the money for my degree though I would most likely be looking at staying at home again. A 3rd option would be to use the money for a degree + on campus accommodation aka dorms. One issue I have with both of the later ideas though is that while paying for a degree is certainly a form of "investment" it isn't a direct investment in the way that buying the apartment would be and doing that would at least give me a certain sense of security.

A 4th option would be to buy an apartment and rent it out as a form of investment.

And of course there is the option to just rent an apartment.

Overlying all these issues are the issues I've had life long with depression / anxiety. Many of these issue may stand to improve a lot simply by moving out on my own. However there is also the possibility of them getting worse and then things would be compounded by the fact that right now I don't have any expenses to speak of (which make weathering such difficulties easier) and at that point I definitely would.

I'm certainly not going to make my decision based on what ATOT has to say but I'd like to see what your input here is.Yes I'm certain to get flamed in the ass for this as well but that's life.

Edit: I guess one other reason I would like to move out is that I need to get a GF at some point! Sounds stupid but I really have never had a GF and at 28 that's starting to weigh on me and it starts to get more difficult if you live with your parents at this age.

Sorry no cliffs.
 
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Drako

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Just do it - you will wonder why you waited so long after you get used to it.
 

IronWing

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Whether or not you go back to school, consider how your living arrangement affects your mental health. Dorms are extremely tough on folks with endless noise and annoyances. Sleep deprivation and depression are common maladies in dorm life. On the other hand, living on your own can lead to isolation.
 

DaveSimmons

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If you might be going back to college, going into debt on a condo is a bad idea. Remember that besides the mortgage there will also be maintenance, condo association fees and property taxes.

One reason why I still rent (long after college) is that I don't see a real advantage to owning a condo vs. renting -- I put the difference into mutual funds as my investment, and am not tied to living any one place.

I might buy a house eventually, but a condo / townhome seems like the worst of both worlds.
 

SandEagle

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I am an old man with kids and have about 20% of your 60k. U don't see me whining. I have 10k on a cc that I may stop paying on. I just dont care anymore.
 

IronWing

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I am an old man with kids and have about 20% of your 60k. U don't see me whining. I have 10k on a cc that I may stop paying on. I just dont care anymore.
I award one cookie for this troll effort. I have complete confidence that the thread will be derailed.

Back on topic: I don't see how taking on debt will help your life at this point.
 

drebo

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Living in an apartment is shit. Living in a dorm is shit.

Rent or buy a house and work and take night classes or online classes to get your degree. You don't need to blow $30k per year to get a good education.
 

Gooberlx2

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I've been thinking that I could use this as a down-payment on an apartment (something in the low 100K range) and carry a small mortgage. My mother has also offered to help me with the down-payment.

If you're pondering the possibilities and pitfalls of moving out, it makes absolutely NO sense to consider anchoring yourself to a mortgage. All other issues aside, I strongly recommend you rent instead.
 
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Saint Nick

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I would finish your education., honestly. That's the one thing that you'll always have and can't be taken away from you.
 

Josh123

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Dude go for it, start looking for a cheap place and get out there. You don't have to go to school full time, just pick up a couple courses and work if it's possible. Being on your own and having your own place is amazing and I bet it will help you "breathe".

Is your depression cause from living at home? I was in the same situation a couple years ago and once I got out I felt more accomplished and it felt great.
 
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You are looking to buy an apartment? Or did you mean buy a condo?

Or do you mean rent an apartment?

Who buys an apartment unless they were in the business of renting it out?
 

Locut0s

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If you're pondering the possibilities and pitfalls of moving out, it makes absolutely NO sense to consider anchoring yourself to a mortgage. All other issues aside, I strongly recommend you rent instead.

Yes renting is something I'm looking at too. Thanks.
 

gophins72

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what advice have your parents given? $60k is a lot, enough to pay for the whole education, unless you're attending an expensive school. Go somewhere cheaper, but figure out what you'd like to do for a living. You have enough to live on your own AND finish college, even go to an expensive one if you so desire, but if you take out a small loan.

This may be a little controversial to say but take a small trip to Amsterdam and live it up for a week, see the rest of europe. Travel is REALLY good for the soul.
 

busydude

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I agree with others, renting is the best option.

Are you still working or unemployed? Can you look into the possibility of working part-time and going to school?
 

Whisper

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If you're not sure that you'll be staying in the area after completing your degree and/or you don't want to deal with the potential headaches that come along with owning a home (having to sell it if you move, repairs, etc.), then an apartment wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea. Then again, also keep in mind that apartments can come with their own share of hassles (e.g., noisy neighbors, inattentive/unresponsive management).

As for school, why not head to a public university? I'm not fully sure how things in Canada work vs. here in the US, but I'd imagine public schools are infinitely cheaper than their private counterparts while offering comparable education (especially at the undergraduate level) and financial aid. Tuition at most state schools down this way is something along the lines of $2-4k/year, much of which can be exempted via scholarships.

All in all, though, it sounds like moving out on your own could be a good step for you. Is it possible that it could aggravate your mood/anxiety issues? Of course, but so can just about everything else in life; conversely, it's very possible that the new surroundings and varied/increased life experiences will have a positive effect on your mental health.

Edit: Oh, and another vote to NOT live in the dorms. Teen-aged undergrads are hard enough to deal with around town; living with them when you aren't one would be horrendous.
 

shortylickens

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Is this another one of those situations where the guy has been asking for advice for months, we give it to him, he refuses to take it, and keeps asking for new advice?

Dude, you are not lacking for information. You need to nut up and make a decision with you life. There are no easy answers, and even if there are people are lacking in the fortitude to carry them out.

I've made so many tough life decisions its not even an issue for me any more. Now its just fine tuning the plans to make the most of what I have.
Joined the Navy.
Worked into the Advanced Electronics Program.
Got out.
Moved to Oregon to take a job.
Plant shut down. I moved to take another job.
New job paid less for a more expensive town. I moved in with mom to go to school on the GI Bill and try a new career field.

None of these decisions was simple or easy, but I learned my first year in the Navy that fucking around does NOT make life any easier. You need a goal (actually several goals but thats a whole different rant) and you need some sort of a plan to get to those goals. And since no plan is perfect (universal constant) you need to be flexible and open-minded with changing your plans on short notice. And you need the balls to execute tough plans.

Take a risk man. Many things in life dont work out the way you want, but at least have the guts to try things so you can learn and grow and be better equipped to make good decisions in the future.
 

Locut0s

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I agree with others, renting is the best option.

Are you still working or unemployed? Can you look into the possibility of working part-time and going to school?

Currently working full time (Computer retail sales). At least for now.
 

Hacp

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I would do option 4. Get an apartment and rent it out. Use it as an investment. Then, go get a real job. It doesn't need to be office work. Do anything that pays well. Construction, plumbing, anything that gets you more than 15 dollars an hour. Continue to leech off of your parents. Don't worry about getting a significant other. If you save enough money, you will be able to attract one.

Edit: Your depression will improve once you become a landlord. You will be driven so crazy by your tenants that you won't have time to worry about all the bad stuff going on internally.

Also, in truth, you should have kept your 7-11 job. You would have been so much better off.
 
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gophins72

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Take a risk man. Many things in life dont work out the way you want, but at least have the guts to try things so you can learn and grow and be better equipped to make good decisions in the future.

true. the only thing that can go wrong is you go back to your parents and ask for help, or waking up in a bath tub full of ice without a kidney.