Major Global Warming Data Scandal

BarrySotero

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There's been an emerging scandal with regard to some peer-reviewed AGW studies. Seems people have been "creating" the outcomes they want and reviewers have let them slide.

"Treemometers: A new scientific scandal"

If a peer review fails in the woods..


"A scientific scandal is casting a shadow over a number of recent peer-reviewed climate papers.

The scandal has serious implications for public trust in science. The IPCC's mission is to reflect the science, not create it.

At least eight papers purporting to reconstruct the historical temperature record times may need to be revisited, with significant implications for contemporary climate studies, the basis of the IPCC's assessments. A number of these involve senior climatologists at the British climate research centre CRU at the University East Anglia. In every case, peer review failed to pick up the errors.

At issue is the use of tree rings as a temperature proxy, or dendrochronology. Using statistical techniques, researchers take the ring data to create a "reconstruction" of historical temperature anomalies. But trees are a highly controversial indicator of temperature, since the rings principally record Co2, and also record humidity, rainfall, nutrient intake and other local factors....


Data used over the years by the IPCC and others to make claims about global warming is missing and flawed.

In particular, since 2000, a large number of peer-reviewed climate papers have incorporated data from trees at the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia. This dataset gained favour, curiously superseding a newer and larger data set from nearby. The older Yamal trees indicated pronounced and dramatic uptick in temperatures.

How could this be? Scientists have ensured much of the measurement data used in the reconstructions remains a secret - failing to fulfill procedures to archive the raw data. Without the raw data, other scientists could not reproduce the results. The most prestigious peer reviewed journals, including Nature and Science, were reluctant to demand the data from contributors. Until now, that is.

At the insistence of editors of the Royal Society's Philosophical Transactions B the data has leaked into the open - and Yamal's mystery is no more.

From this we know that the Yamal data set uses just 12 trees from a larger set to produce its dramatic recent trend. Yet many more were cored, and a larger data set (of 34) from the vicinity shows no dramatic recent warming, and warmer temperatures in the middle ages."


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/yamal_scandal/




On missing data:


"The Dog Ate Global Warming
Interpreting climate data can be hard enough. What if some key data have been fiddled?"



"Imagine if there were no reliable records of global surface temperature. Raucous policy debates such as cap-and-trade would have no scientific basis, Al Gore would at this point be little more than a historical footnote, and President Obama would not be spending this U.N. session talking up a (likely unattainable) international climate deal in Copenhagen in December.

Steel yourself for the new reality, because the data needed to verify the gloom-and-doom warming forecasts have disappeared.

Or so it seems. Apparently, they were either lost or purged from some discarded computer. Only a very few people know what really happened, and they aren?t talking much. And what little they are saying makes no sense."

In the early 1980s, with funding from the U.S. Department of Energy, scientists at the United Kingdom?s University of East Anglia established the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) to produce the world?s first comprehensive history of surface temperature. It?s known in the trade as the ?Jones and Wigley? record for its authors, Phil Jones and Tom Wigley, and it served as the primary reference standard for the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) until 2007. It was this record that prompted the IPCC to claim a ?discernible human influence on global climate.?


It needs to be emphasized that this warming "data" was refined and processed since raw data was considered unreliable. Temperature sensors vary due local circumstances so to get a "global" reading there were edges that needed smoothing.


"The weather data that go into the historical climate records that are required to verify models of global warming aren?t the original records at all. Jones and Wigley, however, weren?t specific about what was done to which station in order to produce their record, which, according to the IPCC, showed a warming of 0.6° +/? 0.2°C in the 20th century."

It's the raw data that is now said to be "missing".

Jones (the Jones of "Jones and Wigley") has rejected requests from other researchers to review the raw data. He told one researcher making a request:

"?We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it??

As more researchers tried to get the data Jones said the data was essentially missing

"Since the 1980s, we have merged the data we have received into existing series or begun new ones, so it is impossible to say if all stations within a particular country or if all of an individual record should be freely available. Data storage availability in the 1980s meant that we were not able to keep the multiple sources for some sites, only the station series after adjustment for homogeneity issues. We, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e., quality controlled and homogenized) data."


This claim of lost data was made despite some researchers having been given the data when they requested it. In June 2009, Georgia Tech?s Peter Webster told Canadian researcher Stephen McIntyre that he had requested raw data, and Jones freely gave it to him.

As Jones was confronted with more Freedom of Information Act requests, he "refused them all, saying that there were ?confidentiality? agreements regarding the data between CRU and nations that supplied the data." Others then "requested those agreements, country by country, but only a handful turned out to exist, mainly from Third World countries and written in very vague language."

"The Dog Ate Global Warming"

http://article.nationalreview....DI5MGY4ZWI5OWM=&w=MA==

It seems a researcher deemed sympathetic to AGW could get data while anyone considered contentious has been given excuses and deceptions.
 

shrumpage

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Doesn't surprise me. The IPCC wrote the summery to their report first, then issued guidelines saying that all the reports need to match up with the summary.
 

boomerang

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Never waste a good crisis.

Is Climate Change still a "good" crisis?

I'm sure the media will be covering this with great gusto. :roll:
 

heyheybooboo

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Hey, guys.

I hate to interrupt this Lovefest but I'm thinking a significant percentage of empirical data used in peer-reviewed articles on climate/warming does not come from the Russian Federation and the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia.

However, I do think they find a lot of woolly mammoths up there --- since all the ice has been melting :D




 

monovillage

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Sorry Barry, you are not allowed to question climate change. Please refrain from casting any doubts on it. You shall be labeled a "denier" and marked with a scarlet "D" if you dare to question it. Heed this warning!
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Hey, guys.

I hate to interrupt this Lovefest but I'm thinking a significant percentage of empirical data used in peer-reviewed articles on climate/warming does not come from the Russian Federation and the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia.

However, I do think they find a lot of woolly mammoths up there --- since all the ice has been melting :D

Oh come on now don't spoil the party! Wonders if they saw this was posted by BarrySotero before they chimed in... :laugh:
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Hey, guys.

I hate to interrupt this Lovefest but I'm thinking a significant percentage of empirical data used in peer-reviewed articles on climate/warming does not come from the Russian Federation and the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia.

However, I do think they find a lot of woolly mammoths up there --- since all the ice has been melting :D

prove your side... barry already posted links
 

NeoV

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I'll let the vast majority of climate scientists speak for me on this issue - and here's a hint - Barry is full of crap

Do you really think one study from one area in Siberia is the basis for all of the theories/models that form the basis of the global warming premise?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Hey, guys.

I hate to interrupt this Lovefest but I'm thinking a significant percentage of empirical data used in peer-reviewed articles on climate/warming does not come from the Russian Federation and the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia.

However, I do think they find a lot of woolly mammoths up there --- since all the ice has been melting :D

prove your side... barry already posted links

Want some Links about how the Joos are destroying the world?
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Hey, guys.

I hate to interrupt this Lovefest but I'm thinking a significant percentage of empirical data used in peer-reviewed articles on climate/warming does not come from the Russian Federation and the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia.

However, I do think they find a lot of woolly mammoths up there --- since all the ice has been melting :D

prove your side... barry already posted links

Want some Links about how the Joos are destroying the world?

Yeah like MIKEMIKE is the judge. "Post yuurs stuffs and if its wrongs i will violence yooo."
 

EXman

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Remember if you do not agree with the looney left you are one of these:
Racist
Bigot
homophobic
moron
uninformed

You cannot disagree with them. If you do don't expect honest civil intellectual discourse. Be prepared to be called one of the above.
 

miniMUNCH

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Originally posted by: NeoV
I'll let the vast majority of climate scientists speak for me on this issue - and here's a hint - Barry is full of crap

Do you really think one study from one area in Siberia is the basis for all of the theories/models that form the basis of the global warming premise?

Do you know or are you assuming the above?

Well the truth is you are right but the other means of estimating temperatures are just as plagued with error and uncertainty and the data has been just as culled over to support climate change agenda's.

The fact, which has gone largely unreported by mass media, is that there is huge contingent of scientist who have looked at the 'science of climate change' and not reached the same conclusions that the IPCC, et al. reached concerning climate change.

In fact, many of the original IPCC report contributing scientists and authors have since either changed their opinion or stated that their contributions were misused in original report.

I'm telling you as a PhD researcher... you have to be on the inside of 'high tier scientific research' to understand a) how disgustingly political scientific research is, b) how many stupid people have PhD's and are in places to influence what 'science thinks is important', c) how many scientists can't come up with their own fresh ideas and rather ride the coat tails of someone else's idea (sheep mentality).

And today... something being in a peer review journal, even like Nature or Science or PNAS doesn't mean it's correct or honest. I have read high level journal research papers which i know contain false information and I am pretty sure that the paper authors were publishing bullshit and did it anyway and it slipped through the peer review process as well. This actually happens a lot and often times the authors actually retract the paper completely when they get called on it.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: EXman
Remember if you do not agree with the looney left you are one of these:
Racist
Bigot
homophobic
moron
uninformed

You cannot disagree with them. If you do don't expect honest civil intellectual discourse. Be prepared to be called one of the above.

There are quite a few people posting here that do a fine job of eliminating any gray area you might think exists above. They prove it day in and day out.
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Hey, guys.

I hate to interrupt this Lovefest but I'm thinking a significant percentage of empirical data used in peer-reviewed articles on climate/warming does not come from the Russian Federation and the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia.

However, I do think they find a lot of woolly mammoths up there --- since all the ice has been melting :D

prove your side... barry already posted links

Want some Links about how the Joos are destroying the world?

So you have nothing.

thanks for the honest answer...

miniMunch, interesting observation... pretty much, if you push enough money towards anything, you can make the numbers work just how you want them...
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: EXman
Remember if you do not agree with the looney left you are one of these:
Racist
Bigot
homophobic
moron
uninformed

You cannot disagree with them. If you do don't expect honest civil intellectual discourse. Be prepared to be called one of the above.

There are quite a few people posting here that do a fine job of eliminating any gray area you might think exists above. They prove it day in and day out.

And there are many on the other side who have been programmed to think one thing call it all those bad things even though their own side does similar stuff. vague on purpose folks.)
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: monovillage
Sorry Barry, you are not allowed to question climate change. Please refrain from casting any doubts on it. You shall be labeled a "denier" and marked with a scarlet "D" if you dare to question it. Heed this warning!

Actually all you science deniers should be shipped up to the Artic where there used to be ice and fed to the starving polar bears.
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Hey, guys.

I hate to interrupt this Lovefest but I'm thinking a significant percentage of empirical data used in peer-reviewed articles on climate/warming does not come from the Russian Federation and the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia.

However, I do think they find a lot of woolly mammoths up there --- since all the ice has been melting :D

prove your side... barry already posted links

Uhhhh, nope. Your fallacy is Fail, Dingo Brain. Come back when you have something ... anything, of substance to add to this debate.

And get back to me when 'Ass-Fact' Butterbean determines the significance of the so-called 'missing' empirical data from the Yamal Peninsula when compared to research from any one of these 112 published Ice Core Data Sets.

I'm thinking the significance of the Yamal Peninsula data set is roughly equivalent in these discussions to the quality of your input:

Meaningless.

So feel free to take your pea-brain nonsense back to World Nut Daily.








 

IGBT

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eco-theists will worship at the global warming alter no matter what. what needs to be done is to relegate them to their backyard hot houses where they can chant and pass rattle snakes around to the congregation.
 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Hey, guys.

I hate to interrupt this Lovefest but I'm thinking a significant percentage of empirical data used in peer-reviewed articles on climate/warming does not come from the Russian Federation and the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia.

However, I do think they find a lot of woolly mammoths up there --- since all the ice has been melting :D

prove your side... barry already posted links

How many MORE links do you need that the ice caps are shrinking and the oceans are rising?

Yeah, it's all hosed and scam. Please post some links that it's all gonna be ok! I was really hoping it was a scam too....

 

manowar821

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Hot damn, really? Hey glaciers! You guys don't need to be melting more and more every year! GREAT NEWS AMIRITE?