Major Education Gap in the United States

[Darkhawk28]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04057/277625.stm

Like Senator Kerry spoke about (although he forgot to say the word "minority") on the Today Show, about 50% of minority high schoolers never graduate from high school. It's a shame and needs to be rectified.

What are the causes?

What are the remedies?

 

[Genx87]

Family unit is shot to hell in the minority, especially black communities.
Until the communities address this situation there isnt a whole lot you can do. If parents arent going to get involved with their kids lives and make sure they graduate, how will a teacher?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
What are the causes?

Poverty

What are the remedies?

Education, which leaves us with a problem..

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Realistic calculations of graduation rate albeit older data

Recalculating the national rate to correct for this error, I now find that estimated national public school graduation rate in 1998 was 71 percent, slightly lower than the 74 percent originally reported. Since the overall thrust of my report was that public schools graduation rates are much lower than is commonly reported, this recalculation does not change the original report?s conclusion.

Can you imagine how substantial the graduation inflation would have been in places like the "Houston Miracle?"

We have a NATIONAL problem across all races. Blacks may be suffering more but the big picture isn't exactly pretty.

# The national graduation rate for the public school class of 2000 was 69%. The rate for white students was 76%; for Asian students it was 79%; for African-American students it was 55%; for Hispanic students it was 53%; and for Native Americans it was 57%.
# Florida?s public schools had the lowest overall graduation rate in the nation with 55% of students graduating, followed by Georgia, the District of Columbia, and Arizona.
# New Jersey had the highest overall graduation rate with 87%, followed by North Dakota, Utah, and Iowa.

2000 graduation rates by state and race Only 3 in 5 whites graduated from HS in Florida in 2000 . . . and that was several years BEFORE they instituted stricter graduation requirements.

Our country has TWO major education gaps:

1) between asian/white and others
2) between all kids in general

Both #1 and #2 need MORE . . . even the asian and white kids.

 

[Genx87]

That is seriously pathetic if you think about it. You either have to be completely retarded not to graduate from highschool or simply dont care and drop out which makes you equally retarded in my book.

I am curious what the family situation is like for the white kids who failed to graduate from highschool is. As a matter of fact I am interested in all races and how their family situation looks like compared to graduation rates.

30% of people without a highschool education will become a major drag on our economy as good jobs for people like this dries up and the income gaps grow.

Edit: btw I am willing to be in MN the black graduation rate is quite low and probably right near the national avg.

See this thread for my take on the local situation that may also apply nationally.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1793719&enterthread=y

 

[piasabird]

All those Democratic Welfare programs must be to blame. If they have no backbone and cant manage to get to school, then it is there own fault. If you choose to be ignorant, who's fault is that?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Family unit is shot to hell in the minority, especially black communities.
Until the communities address this situation there isnt a whole lot you can do. If parents arent going to get involved with their kids lives and make sure they graduate, how will a teacher?

Exactly. Bad parenting is the first problem. Poor education system is the second. Can't solve #2 until we solve #1.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04057/277625.stm

Like Senator Kerry spoke about (although he forgot to say the word "minority") on the Today Show, about 50% of minority high schoolers never graduate from high school. It's a shame and needs to be rectified.

What are the causes?

What are the remedies?

I guess Asians aren't a minority

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04057/277625.stm

Like Senator Kerry spoke about (although he forgot to say the word "minority") on the Today Show, about 50% of minority high schoolers never graduate from high school. It's a shame and needs to be rectified.

What are the causes?

What are the remedies?

I guess Asians aren't a minority

They are but typically Asians and Indians do better than the national average for some reason.

I think its because blacks and hispanics have been oppressed directly in this hemisphere for so long. Indians and Asians came later.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04057/277625.stm

Like Senator Kerry spoke about (although he forgot to say the word "minority") on the Today Show, about 50% of minority high schoolers never graduate from high school. It's a shame and needs to be rectified.

What are the causes?

What are the remedies?

I guess Asians aren't a minority

They are but typically Asians and Indians do better than the national average for some reason.

I think its because blacks and hispanics have been oppressed directly in this hemisphere for so long. Indians and Asians came later.

Yes, but to claim that 50% of minorities don't graduate is stating that Asian Americans are not a minority. If you included them in the statistics then it would be a lot less than 50%.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04057/277625.stm

Like Senator Kerry spoke about (although he forgot to say the word "minority") on the Today Show, about 50% of minority high schoolers never graduate from high school. It's a shame and needs to be rectified.

What are the causes?

What are the remedies?

And what ratio of Asians do we have vs Hispanics or Blacks? I would guess it's tremendously small.
I guess Asians aren't a minority

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04057/277625.stm

Like Senator Kerry spoke about (although he forgot to say the word "minority") on the Today Show, about 50% of minority high schoolers never graduate from high school. It's a shame and needs to be rectified.

What are the causes?

What are the remedies?

I guess Asians aren't a minority

They are but typically Asians and Indians do better than the national average for some reason.

I think its because blacks and hispanics have been oppressed directly in this hemisphere for so long. Indians and Asians came later.

Yes, but to claim that 50% of minorities don't graduate is stating that Asian Americans are not a minority. If you included them in the statistics then it would be a lot less than 50%.

I think if you combined all Indians and Asians in America you would only get around 15 million people maximum.

Actually you're right, I guess thats what Indians and Asians get for success *shrug*

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Family unit is shot to hell in the minority, especially black communities.
Until the communities address this situation there isnt a whole lot you can do. If parents arent going to get involved with their kids lives and make sure they graduate, how will a teacher?

I agree. In a nut shell this is where the problem begins. Family. Iam also a firm believer in taking us back to the old school days where kids were afraid of their teachers. Now a days that isnt the case.

 

[CSMR]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Exactly. Bad parenting is the first problem. Poor education system is the second. Can't solve #2 until we solve #1.

I think a disciplined and well thought out and structured education system can help even with poor parenting.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04057/277625.stm

Like Senator Kerry spoke about (although he forgot to say the word "minority") on the Today Show, about 50% of minority high schoolers never graduate from high school. It's a shame and needs to be rectified.

What are the causes?

What are the remedies?

I guess Asians aren't a minority

They are but typically Asians and Indians do better than the national average for some reason.

I think its because blacks and hispanics have been oppressed directly in this hemisphere for so long. Indians and Asians came later.

Yes, but to claim that 50% of minorities don't graduate is stating that Asian Americans are not a minority. If you included them in the statistics then it would be a lot less than 50%.

I think if you combined all Indians and Asians in America you would only get around 15 million people maximum.

Actually you're right, I guess thats what Indians and Asians get for success *shrug*

Yes, and that article claims whites have the highest graduation rate, when infact Asians do. At 79%.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Family unit is shot to hell in the minority, especially black communities.
Until the communities address this situation there isnt a whole lot you can do. If parents arent going to get involved with their kids lives and make sure they graduate, how will a teacher?

QFT
And it isn't just the single parent households either; even most two-parent households seem to be composed of two wage-earners, which means more latchkey kids left to raise themselves. The kids in my neighborhood roam the streets well into the night, and we live in the middle of generic suburbia, not the ghetto. Almost no parents are around until 6-7 at night. Few parents seem interested in actually raising their children.

 

[maluckey]

Group "A" tends to have smaller families, and tends to be two parent families at that. They often take pride in educating their kids. Consequently, the kids tend to do a little better in their jobs, and don't end up dirt poor. As a result, they then support their own kids to do well and graduate. The cycle continues.

Lets go the other way...

another group has poor family structures with not many live-in fathers; not many positive role models, so the kid drops out of school and gets a dead-end job. He continues with the leaned and identified poor family skills, has a couple of illigitimate kids of his own and doesn't have the money to support them. The mother won't have him around because of this, so that kid grows up without a role model or mentor or hope.

It's a cycle of poverty and loss of hope, not necessarily race. If a group identifies with a poor role model, even if it their own, then they are setting themselves up for failure.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Genx87
Family unit is shot to hell in the minority, especially black communities.
Until the communities address this situation there isnt a whole lot you can do. If parents arent going to get involved with their kids lives and make sure they graduate, how will a teacher?

I agree. In a nut shell this is where the problem begins. Family. Iam also a firm believer in taking us back to the old school days where kids were afraid of their teachers. Now a days that isnt the case.

Kids feared teachers because they feared parents, and if kids misbehaved, the teachers would tell the parents, which used to result in correction of the kid. Now most parents are so guilt-ridden from the fact that they spend almost no time with thier kids (too busy worshipping $$) that they usually back the kid against the teacher or any other authority figure. Teachers are nothing more than babysitters to most suburban parents, at least around me. As an example, parents go nuts when school is canceled due to bad weather, because it means they've got to find alternative daycare for little Johnny all day. It's obviously better Johnny risks taking a school bus to school on treacherous roads! :disgust:

 

[zendari]

Why aren't asian americans counted as minorities? Someone's trying to fiddle with the numbers.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04057/277625.stm

Like Senator Kerry spoke about (although he forgot to say the word "minority") on the Today Show, about 50% of minority high schoolers never graduate from high school. It's a shame and needs to be rectified.

What are the causes?

What are the remedies?

I guess Asians aren't a minority

They are but typically Asians and Indians do better than the national average for some reason.

I think its because blacks and hispanics have been oppressed directly in this hemisphere for so long. Indians and Asians came later.

Yes, but to claim that 50% of minorities don't graduate is stating that Asian Americans are not a minority. If you included them in the statistics then it would be a lot less than 50%.

I think if you combined all Indians and Asians in America you would only get around 15 million people maximum.

Actually you're right, I guess thats what Indians and Asians get for success *shrug*

There's a hell of a lot more than 15 million Asians and Indians in America.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04057/277625.stm

Like Senator Kerry spoke about (although he forgot to say the word "minority") on the Today Show, about 50% of minority high schoolers never graduate from high school. It's a shame and needs to be rectified.

What are the causes?

What are the remedies?

I guess Asians aren't a minority

They are but typically Asians and Indians do better than the national average for some reason.

I think its because blacks and hispanics have been oppressed directly in this hemisphere for so long. Indians and Asians came later.

Yes, but to claim that 50% of minorities don't graduate is stating that Asian Americans are not a minority. If you included them in the statistics then it would be a lot less than 50%.

I think if you combined all Indians and Asians in America you would only get around 15 million people maximum.

Actually you're right, I guess thats what Indians and Asians get for success *shrug*

There's a hell of a lot more than 15 million Asians and Indians in America.

Indian Americans represent .6 percent of the United States population with 1,678,765

Asian Americans constitute 3.6 percent of the United States population, with 10,242,998

You were saying?

Annual incomes of all racial groups in America:

http://www.iacfpa.org/iadem.htm#household

Us whiteys need to start making more dough

 

[jjyiz28]

isn't it obvious?? race. education helps but u r what u r

 

[jrenz]

It's called 'race' for a reason. Looks like we're ahead!



(joke)

 

[Cerb]

This has been beaten to death, and then some.

The schools suck.
Many parents suck.
Said parents teach their kids to be like them, so it keeps on going.
Many people are stupid enough to believe that adding money and extra rules will actually help the situation.

Then again, according to Genx87, I'm a retard.