Major dealing with genetics

JCE10

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Hello all! I'm currently a student about to graduate and I am very interested in genetics and all of its sub-topics like its manipulation, epigetics, etc. I will be attending college soon and have not picked a major, but I was wondering what kind of majors offer my interest in genetics?

Would I better fulfill my interest at first getting an undergrad and then going into med school of some sort?

Thank you all!
 

VTHodge

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I think bio-chemistry is the way you should go. If it isn't offered, then just biology.
 

JCE10

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How about bioengineering and biomedical engineering? I have been hearing about them lately and have gone to lengths at trying to distinguish them apart to no avail. Would these majors delve into the genetic world?
 

Gibsons

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Originally posted by: JCE10
Hello all! I'm currently a student about to graduate and I am very interested in genetics and all of its sub-topics like its manipulation, epigetics, etc. I will be attending college soon and have not picked a major, but I was wondering what kind of majors offer my interest in genetics?

Would I better fulfill my interest at first getting an undergrad and then going into med school of some sort?

Thank you all!
Any biology major should do. Microbiology, Cell Biology, Molecular Biology, Human Biology, Biochemistry etc. You'll have a few core requirements for each which will vary some, but you should have to take Genetics for any.

If you're pre-med, I'd honestly advise majoring in something besides Bio. Just take the required courses you'll need for the MCAT/med school - 2 years chem, 1 year physics, math through Cal I or II, and a few bio courses - A&P, Genetics, Biochem, maybe Micro.

A different major will distinguish you from 90% of the applicants and let the admission committees think they're getting some diversity into the system. They assume they're going to have to teach you all the medicine no matter what your major was anyway. Just have the basic courses above, a good GPA and MCAT scores.
 

TheChort

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Originally posted by: Gibsons
Originally posted by: JCE10
Hello all! I'm currently a student about to graduate and I am very interested in genetics and all of its sub-topics like its manipulation, epigetics, etc. I will be attending college soon and have not picked a major, but I was wondering what kind of majors offer my interest in genetics?

Would I better fulfill my interest at first getting an undergrad and then going into med school of some sort?

Thank you all!
Any biology major should do. Microbiology, Cell Biology, Molecular Biology, Human Biology, Biochemistry etc. You'll have a few core requirements for each which will vary some, but you should have to take Genetics for any.

If you're pre-med, I'd honestly advise majoring in something besides Bio. Just take the required courses you'll need for the MCAT/med school - 2 years chem, 1 year physics, math through Cal I or II, and a few bio courses - A&P, Genetics, Biochem, maybe Micro.

A different major will distinguish you from 90% of the applicants and let the admission committees think they're getting some diversity into the system. They assume they're going to have to teach you all the medicine no matter what your major was anyway. Just have the basic courses above, a good GPA and MCAT scores.

I couldn't agree with this more

But if you are interested in the research path, then maybe Masters/PhD is the way to go
Then focus on a bio/chem related major that has an emphasis on molecular biology as opposed to something non-molecular (like ecology)
 
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My school offers Biology as a major with different specializations if you so choose, one of them being genetics. There is also Biochemistry and Chemistry majors as well if you wanted to look at genetics in that light (if you went to grad school).
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: JCE10
Hello all! I'm currently a student about to graduate and I am very interested in genetics and all of its sub-topics like its manipulation, epigetics, etc. I will be attending college soon and have not picked a major, but I was wondering what kind of majors offer my interest in genetics?

Would I better fulfill my interest at first getting an undergrad and then going into med school of some sort?

Thank you all!

If you want to do strictly research, major in bio or biochem with a genetics, cell bio, or molecular bio specialization. You will have a very difficult time finding a job without a grad degree, and even with one, its a supersaturated field. Pay is relatively low - expect not to make too much even with a PhD.

If you want to make things that may require a knowledge of genetics (implants, prostheses), do biomedical engineering. Its quite a bit harder than bio, but your chances of finding employment are fairly good, and it pays quite a bit better than bio, with a grad degree, you could make assloads.

If you want to go to med school or otherwise work in health care, major in clinical lab sciences or medical molcular diagnosis - you are practically guaranteed a job upon graduation (they will hunt YOU down), pay is good to excellent depending on your speciality, and depending on your program, you will be taking classes that are essentially equivalent to med classes. It is pretty difficult however, due to the large courseload, and most programs are so strict that if you fail a single class you're out. And theres not much room to climb past your original position, but its certainly not a bad place to be in the first place.
 

magomago

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Going to BME if you are interested in genetics is a waste of time. If you want be premed, then it doesn't matter what you get so as long as you have As in all the courses that matter.

But if you want to work with a lot of genetic based projects at the molecular level, avoid BME. BME is more like if you are interested in helping to deisgn some type of Point of Care device with mini microfluidic channels that will automatically test and given a treatment if the test comes out positive...stuff like "lab on a chip"; of course BME is much more than that....but taking BioChem or Molecular Bio or something along those lines will let you learn a lot more useful stuff pertaining to genetics; taking courses in biomedical electronics, biomechanics, and some quantative physiology really won't prepare you that much if that is where your interest but

but since you are not even in college yet, just explore...who knows you might find something else interesting as MANY students who initially come in wanting to go med school give up and pursue something else

BD2003 said it well: BMES will need basic knowledge of genetics and we get exposed to much of it, but we aren't required to memorize it - and the focus of understanding is elsewhere....
 

kami333

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I was a bio major and my gf was a biochem and molecular bio major and we both work in genetics lab working with diseases.

Pay is definately not great, especially in research labs, I make about $11 an hour. It's better in industry but the work environment is more rigid. My boss didn't care so much about my degree as much as what courses I had taken and what techniques I was familiar with so try not to get too caught up in just taking the requirements.

One class I definately wish I had taken more seriously is stats/biostats, you end up working with numbers a lot if you work with populations and diseases.

If you like math/programming as well, bioinformatics is a pretty interesting field too.
 

JCE10

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Originally posted by: kami333
I was a bio major and my gf was a biochem and molecular bio major and we both work in genetics lab working with diseases.

Pay is definately not great, especially in research labs, I make about $11 an hour. It's better in industry but the work environment is more rigid. My boss didn't care so much about my degree as much as what courses I had taken and what techniques I was familiar with so try not to get too caught up in just taking the requirements.

One class I definately wish I had taken more seriously is stats/biostats, you end up working with numbers a lot if you work with populations and diseases.

If you like math/programming as well, bioinformatics is a pretty interesting field too.

Thanks for all the info guys. Programming, although fun at first, gets pretty boring (for me anyways, no offense) once you get into the nitty gritty. Any more advice would be kindly appreciated.

Is bioengineering the same as BME?

Thanks to all.
 

BD2003

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Personally, I went back to school for exactly the same reason - to study genetics. Its amazingly interesting and you'd think with the genome project recently, thatd there would be a ton of jobs out there. There are - theres just that many more people out there looking for them so getting one is easier said than done. As Kami has demonstrated, bio and biochem are not the most lucrative of positions, due to the oversupply.

I realized three major things since going back to school.

1) Genetics IS very interesting. It is also complex beyond belief - mendel didnt even begin to scratch the surface, and all that youve heard in HS and the media is a VAST oversimplification. Evolution is the same way - vastly more complicated than the oversimplifactions you get in the media and HS, but once you dive deep enough into it, it will aggravate you to no end when you bump into to people who don't "believe" in it. Its not a matter of belief, its a matter of understanding, which will be self evident to you before long. And while the genome and evolution is interesting, it was also very boring at the same time. Its like studying blueprints. After taking a number of courses, I found my real interest lied in the products of the genome - cell bio, physiology etc. If you think any manmade machine is complicated, the cell and body puts it to shame by orders of magnitude. I am still in awe that any biological system lasts more than a microsecond without imploding under its own complexity, let alone an entire body with trillions of cells lasting for decades. I mention this all because while it might seem interesting to you now, when you get really deep into it, your awe at it may be replaced by disdain for the fact that its nearly impossible to grasp your mind around it, and what used to be fact is ALWAYS changing. Your intro bio books will be full of facts, and your upper level books will be full of "we think..."

2) Getting a job is VERY important. I learned that hard lesson after my first degree (psych). I originally had planned to do the whole nine yards in molecular bio, but then I realized that the prospect of spending 2 more years in undergrad, 4-5 more years in grad (20K a year) and 3-4 more years in postdoc (30K a year) all with huge workloads (60-80 hrs a week), just to have zero job security after all that just wasnt worth it. I ended up going into cytotechnology (diagnosis of cells under microscope - finding cancer in pap smears etc), since I still got to work with cells and the like. My courseload is 120 credits crammed into 2 years. I got one week off for winter, and I can expect to spend the majority of my summer with my face inside a corpse. (gross anatomy FTW) I get to spend my next summer working full time for zero pay, and then get to take a licensing exam. Once I pass, pay is 60-70k with full benefits. Best part is that all it costs me is $3K a semester for tuition at SUNY. The work itself can be pretty monotonous - you have to have an antisocial streak somewhere in your body to tolerate this kind of work, but its well paying from the start, and your job is as secure as it gets.

3) You dont just up and decide to go to med school at some point in your college career. If you plan on getting in, you had better be determined to get an A in just about every course you will take from the start, ESPECIALLY organic chemistry. You are not a special snowflake that will enjoy orgo, it is universally painful to even the best of students; I liken it to teaching calculus to an infant. You had also better do plenty of volunteer work, and independent research. Then be prepared to take out about $100K in loans. Your first two years in med school will be full of very difficult courses, all at the same time. Your final two years will then be more practically oriented, and its not a walk in the park. Then the best part is residency - $40K a year for 80-120hrs a week of work (enjoy 36hr shifts), for 3-5 years depending on your specialty. Don't get settled in anywhere, because youll be hopping around the country in order to get through these few years. Then you can enjoy your 100-200K salary, but also be prepared to work 40-70hr weeks, depending on your specialty. You will also have the lives of others in your direct hands, and if you can't bare that responsibility, don't even bother.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: JCE10
Originally posted by: kami333
I was a bio major and my gf was a biochem and molecular bio major and we both work in genetics lab working with diseases.

Pay is definately not great, especially in research labs, I make about $11 an hour. It's better in industry but the work environment is more rigid. My boss didn't care so much about my degree as much as what courses I had taken and what techniques I was familiar with so try not to get too caught up in just taking the requirements.

One class I definately wish I had taken more seriously is stats/biostats, you end up working with numbers a lot if you work with populations and diseases.

If you like math/programming as well, bioinformatics is a pretty interesting field too.

Thanks for all the info guys. Programming, although fun at first, gets pretty boring (for me anyways, no offense) once you get into the nitty gritty. Any more advice would be kindly appreciated.

Is bioengineering the same as BME?

Thanks to all.

If you felt that way about programming (as I did), you will feel exactly the same way about genetics before long - I absolutely guarantee it.

AFAIK bioengineering focuses upon using biological systems to achieve an end (Ex. natural water filtration using bacteria), whereas BME focuses more upon using machines with biology. (prosthetics, dialysis etc)
 

GoSharks

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BME will/should focus more on human applications, including cell and tissue engineering, biomaterials/compatibility, along with instrumentation and computational biology. This is the wrong place to be if you want to study genetics.