Mahindra pickup finally gets reviewed.

[Bignate603]

Yeah, a shame too, as the Dodge trucks were the only decent things that Chrysler has made in the last 20-odd years outside of the Viper.

The wrangler has been one of the best out of the box off roaders for a long time.

When it looked like Chrysler might implode I was expecting that somebody would have bought the portion that produced their trucks and the jeep brand, but that the rest of their lineup would just cease to exist.

 

[Arkaign]

The wrangler has been one of the best out of the box off roaders for a long time.

When it looked like Chrysler might implode I was expecting that somebody would have bought the portion that produced their trucks and the jeep brand, but that the rest of their lineup would just cease to exist.

Ah yeah, forgot about the Jeeps. The wrangler is definitely a legend, even if I'm not a fan of the 4-banger model. Chrysler has tacked on too much junk under the Jeep name though, sigh.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

The wrangler has been one of the best out of the box off roaders for a long time.

When it looked like Chrysler might implode I was expecting that somebody would have bought the portion that produced their trucks and the jeep brand, but that the rest of their lineup would just cease to exist.

The new Jeep GC is freaking amazing. All they need to do to make it perfect is update the uconnect system to sync/idrive/MMI levels of refinement (easily doable) and throw the 8 speed ZF box in it.

Needless to say, I really want one of those with the adventure 2 pack.

 

[LTC8K6]

The new Jeep GC is freaking amazing. All they need to do to make it perfect is update the uconnect system to sync/idrive/MMI levels of refinement (easily doable) and throw the 8 speed ZF box in it.

Needless to say, I really want one of those with the adventure 2 pack.

Such is coming. It's already in several Chrysler vehicles called Uconnect Touch and integrated into the dash.

http://www.mediafire.com/?9f2ukl32h2y6jb6

Also, the new Nav radio, the RHR, has quite a lot of features.

Media Center 730N (model RHR, replacement for model RER)


RHR navigation radio


* Ordering opened on January 12, 2011
* Production starts January 17, 2011
* Optional on Limited and Overland; Standard on Overland Summit
* AM/FM/CD/DVD/MP3/HDD/NAV
* 30GB hard drive (approx. 4,250 song capacity)
* 6.5" TFT Display (400 x 240 pixels) with touchscreen LCD
* 2D & 3D bird’s eye view of roads
* AAC compressed format added to WMA and MP3
* Adaptive voice learning
* Album art added to song information
* AUX input for any device with audio out capability
* Bluetooth™ advanced audio distribution
* Bluetooth™ streaming audio via A2DP (Report Control)
* Bluetooth Device HMI control (AVRCP1.4)
* Control devices via touch screen
* Conference call features & mute key added
* Dead reckoning
* Displays video output on radio headunit display
* Dual FM Tuner with RDS
* Enhanced graphics/speed
* Extended playlist manager (file editor)
* Flash drive playback via USB ports
* Gracenotes Music Management "Play" functions
* Harmon based navigation
* HDD backup files to USB flash drive (via engineering menu)
* Multi-Route Calculation
* ID3 TAG Editor for music list customization
* iPhone 4 compatibility (4.0/4.1)
* JPEG photo viewer
* HMI for media (time, seek, pause, play)
* Junction view added for highway exits
* Media search using alphabetical menu
* Menu - HMI for Media (time, seek, pause, play)
* Mute & un-mute button added to voice control
* "My Trips" customizable route plans
* Optimized AM tuner
* Point of Interest (POI) search improvements
* Rear park assist camera view
* Seamless voice tree
* SIRIUS Satellite Radio®
* SIRIUS Traffic
* SIRIUS Travel Link
* Split-screen capability
* Support up to 8 simultaneous devices (vs. 3 on the RER)
* Supports AAC, MP3, WMA from USB, CD, DVD, or HDD
* Synchronize up to 2 iPods & 2 MTP devices
* Two simultaneous video output sources
* World Tuner Support

* USB - 2.0 port interface
* USB - 2nd location added, supports headunit hub
* USB - Copy only
* USB - Device charge capability (1 amp max)
* USB - Digital interface for iPod/iPhone & MTP devices (Play for Sure)
* USB - Increased transfer rates (USB 2.0)
* USB - Supports 8 simultaneous audio output sources (vs. 3 on RER)

* Voice Command - Automatic Phonetic Transcription (G2P)
* Voice Command - Destination input
* Voice Command - Extended VR for most popular POI’s
* Voice Command - Gracenote music files
* Voice Command - Gracenote menu commands ("Play Beatles", "Play more like this")
* Voice Command - Hang up/dial/receive calls/ignore calls
* Voice Command - Improved POI search using fuzzy logic
* Voice Command - Manual dialing pad via touch screen
* Voice Command - Navigation
* Voice Command - Phone, radio & music



The RHR navigation radio will be available from the factory on the following vehicles:

2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee
2011 Dodge Challenger
2011 Dodge Durango
2011 Jeep Liberty
2011 Dodge minivans
2011 Dodge Nitro
2011 Dodge Ram (all models)
2011 Jeep Wrangler



2011 Grand Cherokee RHR part numbers (radio unit only)

* High speed Bus system
* Not compatible with 2010 or prior Grand Cherokee models

05064830AC (up to 1/7/11)
05064830AD (after 1/7/11) With integrated satellite radio MSRP: $1950.00

 

[Throckmorton]

Ah yeah, forgot about the Jeeps. The wrangler is definitely a legend, even if I'm not a fan of the 4-banger model. Chrysler has tacked on too much junk under the Jeep name though, sigh.

There is no 4 cyl Wrangler anymore

 

[PhoKingGuy]

Such is coming. It's already in several Chrysler vehicles called Uconnect Touch and integrated into the dash.

http://www.mediafire.com/?9f2ukl32h2y6jb6

Excellent, I wonder if the 8 speed is coming for 2012 as well.

 

[Arkaign]

There is no 4 cyl Wrangler anymore

Good riddance lol. In an ironic thing though with this thread, a 4-banger turbodiesel wrangler would have been the shit, if it were done right. My ex mother-in-law had a 4-cyl 6-speed manual wrangler, 2005 model I think, and it was TERRRRRRRIBAD. Shit would DECELERATE at 60mph on a flat freeway with no wind if you shifted from 5th to 6th, and was generally too slow to get out of its own way, all while getting the fuel economy of a V8.

 

[Bignate603]

Good riddance lol. In an ironic thing though with this thread, a 4-banger turbodiesel wrangler would have been the shit, if it were done right. My ex mother-in-law had a 4-cyl 6-speed manual wrangler, 2005 model I think, and it was TERRRRRRRIBAD. Shit would DECELERATE at 60mph on a flat freeway with no wind if you shifted from 5th to 6th, and was generally too slow to get out of its own way, all while getting the fuel economy of a V8.

Depending on what kind of stuff you want to do offroad though the 4 cyl can be plenty. When you're crawling along with the transfer case in low you don't need a huge engine. Take a look at the amount of power the older jeeps had, the standard engine in the CJ-5 up until 1971 only had 72 hp! For something as aerodynamic as a brick though it can be a dog on the highway.

 

[Arkaign]

Depending on what kind of stuff you want to do offroad though the 4 cyl can be plenty. When you're crawling along with the transfer case in low you don't need a huge engine. Take a look at the amount of power the older jeeps had, the standard engine in the CJ-5 up until 1971 only had 72 hp! For something as aerodynamic as a brick though it can be a dog on the highway.

Yeah, it was alright offroad (at the sane ~5-20mph or much crawling speeds), though on modern freeways as a modern commuter vehicle it was nearly useless. Here in DFW people regularly drive in packs doing 75-85mph on the major freeways, puttering up slight inclines at 60mph is dangerous, not to mention the 2 or 3 months it takes to get it to 60mph in the first place. The 4-banger wrangler of recent era was just an abortion, the gearing in that 6-speed was obviously set for something with a lot more power, particularly torque.

 

[LTC8K6]

The Pentastar V6 should solve the Wrangler's engine problems.

 

[Bignate603]

The Pentastar V6 should solve the Wrangler's engine problems.

It's sounding like it will be a good engine for the wrangler, not as good as the straight 6 but still decent.

 

[Arkaign]

It's sounding like it will be a good engine for the wrangler, not as good as the straight 6 but still decent.

yeah my USAF buddy had an old Wrangler Sahara with the 4.2L 6, and he loooooved that thing, it was bulletproof for about 300k until some drunk idiot totaled it. He replaced it with a 98 Sahara, which is still going as well, but he preferred the 4.2 to his current 4.0, the way the torque was laid out, and even the older real jeep-feeling interior.

 

[Throckmorton]

I doubt there is any RPM where the 4.2 makes more torque than the 4.0 High Output. The 4.0 put out 190hp back in the days when big 5.0L V8s put out like 130hp.

 

[Arkaign]

I doubt there is any RPM where the 4.2 makes more torque than the 4.0 High Output. The 4.0 put out 190hp back in the days when big 5.0L V8s put out like 130hp.

The 4.2L in his old 92 Sahara had 190hp, his 4.0L put out around the same maybe a little less, he said the power at near-idle range was noticably less though. Perhaps gearing?

 

[Throckmorton]

The 4.2L in his old 92 Sahara had 190hp, his 4.0L put out around the same maybe a little less, he said the power at near-idle range was noticably less though. Perhaps gearing?

The 4.2L only put out 112hp http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/6cyl-4-2l-hp-8633/

 

[arcenite]

Article said diesel was not coming to US.

 

[ShawnD1]

It had huge payload claims too...

Maybe India has a different version of payload. In the US, payload means you can drive like a lunatic at 100mph while carrying this much weight. In India, the standard is probably as simple as looking whether or not the vehicle can move forward at all while carrying this much weight.

 

[Vette73]

The 4.2L only put out 112hp http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/6cyl-4-2l-hp-8633/

Thats a differant 4.2L.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

1. Ugly. There's no 2 ways around it, just ugly.

2. Interior fit, finish, materials, quality and whatnot all seems lower than even the worst of the work trucks. The Chevy Silverado, the oldest 1/4 ton truck's $19,375 work truck interior looks so much, better comparing them is like the difference between Hillary Clinton and Carla Bruni. Comparing it with the newer $21k F150 and $22k ram is even worse. Even the $15k base Tacoma's interior is better. For $22k this is a joke.

You may say what's the point of a nice interior? 2 words, build quality. It's not industrial, it's not robust, the quality and workmanship on this vehicle is just purely shoddy. It reminds me of a last century Kia Rio.

Also, the interior is a big part of how you interface with the car. If you spend 100k miles in something, it should at least not look like it can fall apart at any moment.

This is a 22k pick up fighting in a 16-18k market. It's got diesel going for it. It'll probably have some nice towing numbers but really, I don't see it working out until it is revised for version 2, with a more attractive exterior, interior befitting something this decade and a price that is actually competitive. A diesel is nice and all ,but not worth a $4-6k premium.

If they are marketing a work truck, it neds to be built as a work truck. rubber floor, sturdy parts that won't break when they get banged around.
A Ford ranger may be bland, it doesn't have the most power, it doesn't have good gas milage, but they will run forever.

I've seen crashes involving Mahindra cars and I would rather walk across Death Valley than ride in one of those. They are as safe if not less than a Chinese made car.

If they were serious about getting into the American market, they needed to start with a small inexpensive car, and setting up financing for less that good credit borrowers.

 

[Arkaign]

The 4.2L only put out 112hp http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/6cyl-4-2l-hp-8633/

Hmm, I think you're right, I was thinking there was a fuel-injected version of the 4.2L, though further research makes more sense of what I was told by my buddy :

http://www.jeepforum.com/wiki/index.php/4.2L_258_I-6

"The main strengths of the 258 are it's reliablity, low cost, low RPM horsepower and torque peaks, and serviceability"

Torque (net) 210@2000

The replacement 4.0L's peak power figures hit much higher in the powerband, at 4,600 and 3,200 rpm, respectively.

http://www.allpar.com/mopar/40.html

It's hard to find stock dyno charts for the 4.0L, but it seems to have less idle-range torque but higher peaks as the revs climb a bit. As a daily driving motor, it's certainly superior, as a rock-crawler, it might be a slight downgrade. I'm not a big off-roader myself, I'm just passing on what he's told me, he goes to Jamborees and off-road weeks many times yearly. He always says he's most envious of the diesel Hummers that have bone-crushing torque at sub 2k ranges, and that gives amazing control over rough terrain at appropriately delicate speeds.

 

[LTC8K6]

 

[Arkaign]

Wow that new 3.6L is badass, look at the torque at 1200rpm it's already at around 210.

 

[ShawnD1]

I've seen crashes involving Mahindra cars and I would rather walk across Death Valley than ride in one of those. They are as safe if not less than a Chinese made car.

Good thing god invented youtube.
2 star crash rating D:
India's philosophy about human mortality: more where that came from

The Ford Ranger doesn't look much better. Trucks in general are often bad when it comes to crashing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8uip-Jzrj4

Here's China's best. As predicted, it's just as horrible as every other thing ever made in China. It's so bad that I think I can hear the testers start to laugh at 17 seconds in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZWy_fASSiQ

 

[Bignate603]

The 4.2L in his old 92 Sahara had 190hp, his 4.0L put out around the same maybe a little less, he said the power at near-idle range was noticably less though. Perhaps gearing?

There wasn't a 4.2L in a 92 wrangler unless he did an engine swap, they were discontinued in '90.

 

[Bignate603]

Wow that's a flat torque curve.