MAGA's Manosphere Base exposed by a journalist who dated Right Wingers - Why they want TRADwives

[HomerJS]

And CNN completes it's conversion into the Maury Povich show.

Yet another shoot the messenger vs watching and commenting on her content

And you wonder why people don't take your comments seriously.

 

[HomerJS]

Lifted directly from the OP. Can't say it better.

Shocking?? Not really!!
Deplorables?? Yup!!
Incels?? Yup!!

Bunch of bros getting their news and life advice from Andrew Tate and you wonder why young males are problematic.

See how that works. Comment based on watching the material vs attacking CNN.

 

[Reflex]

I think its a bit too easy for males to become incels in America. I was there..

When the 2008 fiscal crisis happened and I went overseas and I went from getting laid once in a while to getting laid once a day on average.

I think it's culture.. foreigners are a lot less up tight about casual sex.

I had a friend who went to Mexico tell me about this but I thought he was just talking about hookers.. till I experienced it myself.. nope.. not hookers.. don't even pay them.

I do realize one thing though.. had I not gone overseas, with my high sex drive.. I could have very easily fallen prey to the manosphere.. but rather than listen to MAGA and long conservative podcasts.. I always preferred gaming!

I never blamed the women though. Maybe it's our culture.. we work so much and we're tired.. too tired!

This reads as though women putting out is the solution to male loneliness rather than other men stepping up in supportive ways for each other that does not rely on free therapy and sex from women.

 

[Reflex]

If you knew anything about what it might be to be a "Real Man" something I have a hunch isn't anything we think about in our society as being that, and if you were willing to mentor the lost of our generation, I have the suspicion that liberals would call you a Nazi. They certainly thought that of Jordan Peterson who seemed to have something like that in mind. It's hard to discuss that person though because I don't know what the individual I mentioned favors as a personal pronoun.but I think 'he' would probably work.

To be clear, Peterson is an actual fascist, and his books are a repackage of the work of Julius Evola, a fascist philosopher who contributed to the rise of fascism in Italy and elsewhere.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, from personal experience I suspect that's what happens - the same for the far-right as for Islamists. They offer 'support' to people who have had a bad time for complicated interpersonal reasons, and then give them an easy explanation for their problems, with a particular group to blame.

My feeling is that in many cases those radicalised like that do have justifiable grievances, but the groups they end up blaming for the hard-time they've had are not the correct ones - they are just the easiest groups to target.

I'm kind of aware though that I might be being inconsistent or hypocritical in that belief. I have existing ideas as to who I blame for my problems (I have my 'issues', but they have very complicated roots). I've just found that my personal "shit list" tends not to match the list of those that the MAGA/Incel types I've encountered have told me I'm supposed to blame.

The problem as I see is that we are profoundly motivated not to know our real issues because of how we acquired them and therefore only fool ourselves into imagining we seek to understand them. This creates a catch 22. The real issue in my opinion is that we were all put down as children, verbally and physically threatened, and made to feel the self we were was worthless and we needed to change. We were blamed for being real. So everything about you screams never be real again. The real you is your issue and what we really blame.

And now we are our parents who were once similarly blamed.

The world is a cycle of of the endless death of innocence and sleep to the reality of our condition. You have no issues only the inculcated feeling you do.

As long as you imagine there are issues they will self create. As a very thoughtful and openly questioning person perhaps you can see it is thought itself that is the enemy.

How do meaningless sounds in the air like you ungrateful child create heartache. How can you analyze what had to be pushed out of conscious memory to survive.

And if anything like this might really have happened, then your real self still exists even if hidden.

 

[Greenman]

Yet another shoot the messenger vs watching and commenting on her content

And you wonder why people don't take your comments seriously.

I don't care if anyone takes my comments seriously. I would have thought that by now you would have realized I don't come here looking for vindication.

 

[HomerJS]

I don't care if anyone takes my comments seriously. I would have thought that by now you would have realized I don't come here looking for vindication.

You are correct. For us to expect you to be anything else but a lying weasel is expecting too much.

 

[Moonbeam]

That "ethics in games journalism" is just latin for "unfuckable dorks that can't understand why women don't want to touch them and then get angry about it and take it out on the world instead of looking at themselves in the mirror and realizing no one really wants to even be around them".

That's what self hate coupled with systemic cultural failure to provide people with meaningful and purposeful lives looks like. A competitive rather than a cooperative society will always lead to vastly more people who lose than win due to idolization of the meaningless and those losers will be mean.

 

[Moonbeam]

For most of American society, parents are absent. Either broken households, or parents are too busy working. School is a process by which your kids are raised by their peers. Now imagine red pill injecting itself into that fabric. Replacing parents with Nazi recruiters. It perfectly explains why women were added to MAGA's DEI hatred. I couldn't quite figure out why other than Taliban comparisons. Turns out, telling men that women are property to be owned and exploited is a valid recruitment strategy in America. And it has been in front of our faces for at least the past decade.

This is the sort of shit our notion of free speech has facilitated. We lacked healthy limitations. Zero checks and balances on the sort of propaganda that can rage in our society. Such freedom has consequences when rot and disease fester and are protected. We failed to see the problem and failed to offer a viable counter narrative to draw people in out of the cold dark abyss.

None of the defects in people that make young people open sewers for every bad idea can be cured by eliminating those who have the cunning to use those weaknesses for their own self propagation can be fixed by eliminating their opportunities to broadcast their garbage. People with real self respect have manhole covers that keep shit from falling in. The disease is self hate and it is caused by being made to conform to sacred cows that are garbage as children. The only cure is real knowledge and real wisdom, the last thing anybody with sacred cows wants to hear. Ignorance is thinking the answer is out there, that something other than yourself has to be fixed.

 

[gothuevos]

Can confirm. Grew up in a broken home, Michael Dorn was an inspiration, even if Worf wasn't the best father (in his defense Alexander sucked).

Same.

 

[IronWing]

This reads as though women putting out is the solution to male loneliness rather than other men stepping up in supportive ways for each other that does not rely on free therapy and sex from women.

Why can’t we have both? 😉

 

[pete6032]

I love smart, independent, and successful women and appreciating all they have to offer, their points of view, and listening to them and conversating with them about life, the universe, and everything. I also really enjoy making them orgasm. It seems to work out well.

This you?

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/what-things-can-go-wrong-so-quickly-in-your-life.2613123/

 

[MrSquished]

This you?

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/what-things-can-go-wrong-so-quickly-in-your-life.2613123/

Yes. Your point?

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't care if anyone takes my comments seriously. I would have thought that by now you would have realized I don't come here looking for vindication.

IOW, you trolling.

 

[Reflex]

Why can’t we have both? 😉

I get that you are teasing, but this is an idea that incels push, that women should be giving up their bodies if they don't want to be harassed, raped or killed. That they must trade sex for security. That's why I call it out when people say it's things like purity culture and so on that makes men incels. It's not, it is misogyny and patriarchy that set an expectation in these boys that women are their property and disobedience should be punished.

The solution to the incel problem, so-called "male loneliness epidemic" and general violence towards femmes is the same as it has always been: Men supporting each other, mentoring each other and holding each other to account. Something women do for each other very well. It's not the answer a lot of men want since it does not give them power over someone else, but it is the only way out of this mess.

 

[Reflex]

Yes. Your point?

At least part of the point is that self proclaimed leftist men are just as often controlling and judgemental towards women's decisions as conservatives. Plus, of course, the whole bragging about your partners conventional beauty, and in this thread your supposed skill in bed.

Misogyny is not a left or right thing, and some of the worst sexual harassers I've worked to remove from organizing spaces were leftists such as yourself who loved to brag about their conquests, partners, requirements, and so on.

Required reading for the board when I take over political orgs: https://truthout.org/articles/why-misogynists-make-great-informants/

 

[Jaskalas]

None of the defects in people that make young people open sewers for every bad idea can be cured by eliminating those who have the cunning to use those weaknesses...

Mowing the yard does not stop the grass from growing.
Yet we mow nonetheless.

Cleaning the house does not stop dirt from collecting.
Yet we still wipe surfaces clean.

Do you know why that is?

I feel that, if you did, then you would not have made such an argument. For I believe we can certainly push back and prevent such groups and forces from holding power over us. And before you inject confusion, no, stopping Nazis does not make us Nazis. In fact, it would be the duty of any functioning Democracy to not backslide into tyranny. Some effort to maintain order and Democratic institution is necessary. This subject explains, in part, our failure to do so. To keep our Democracy clean of corruptive processes and influences.

 

[MrSquished]

At least part of the point is that self proclaimed leftist men are just as often controlling and judgemental towards women's decisions as conservatives. Plus, of course, the whole bragging about your partners conventional beauty, and in this thread your supposed skill in bed.

Misogyny is not a left or right thing, and some of the worst sexual harassers I've worked to remove from organizing spaces were leftists such as yourself who loved to brag about their conquests, partners, requirements, and so on.

Required reading for the board when I take over political orgs: https://truthout.org/articles/why-misogynists-make-great-informants/

Wow you're just talking a whole lot of nothing about nothing. I never made the claim that my partner was conventionally beautiful. Also I never said Democrat or progressive men are never misogynist. I mean what are you even talking, about of course left of center men can be sexist. Nobody said otherwise.

As far as expressing Joy out of making a partner feel good in bed, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It says something about you though.

However it is quite clear that misogyny is literally part of the Republican and Trump agenda. It's literally built in to being right-wing. It's a far far bigger problem than on the left.

These are facts.

 

[UNCjigga]

The cancer is spreading. We at Stage 4 yet??

Polling shows growing number of Republicans identify with the MAGA movement

More than one-third of registered voters identified themselves as MAGA supporters in March's NBC News poll. That includes 71% of Republicans.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Moonbeam]

You are correct. For us to expect you to be anything else but a lying weasel is expecting too much.

Perhaps you come here to blame. I bet there's a Doctoral Thesis in what's worse, a blamer or a lying weasel.

 

[Reflex]

Wow you're just talking a whole lot of nothing about nothing. I never made the claim that my partner was conventionally beautiful. Also I never said Democrat or progressive men are never misogynist. I mean what are you even talking, about of course left of center men can be sexist. Nobody said otherwise.

As far as expressing Joy out of making a partner feel good in bed, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It says something about you though.

However it is quite clear that misogyny is literally part of the Republican and Trump agenda. It's literally built in to being right-wing. It's a far far bigger problem than on the left.

These are facts.

Maybe reread my post and look at your own posts a bit more. You do not come off very well at all, and people have been gently trying to point this out for a while. People who largely agree with you politically.

 

[MrSquished]

Maybe reread my post and look at your own posts a bit more. You do not come off very well at all, and people have been gently trying to point this out for a while. People who largely agree with you politically.

I read your post three times, and I stand by exactly what I said. You're talking a whole lot of nothing about nothing that was either said by me or implied by me. Never said anything about my partner - you lied. Never said anything that implied left of center men can't be sexist. And also, enjoying giving a partner pleasure is actually quite healthy, whilst you imply it implies a character defect in me. You're full of shit

But if you want to go with, the well, you're not going to respond to any point I made because I can be abrasive in other posts, so you're just going to use that as a blanket, I'm wrong and you don't have to actually make a cogent and honest response.

Bigly sad

 

[Reflex]

I read your post three times, and I stand by exactly what I said. You're talking a whole lot of nothing about nothing that was either said by me or implied by me. Never said anything about my partner - you lied. Never said anything that implied left of center men can't be sexist. And also, enjoying giving a partner pleasure is actually quite healthy, whilst you imply it implies a character defect in me. You're full of shit

But if you want to go with, the well, you're not going to respond to any point I made because I can be abrasive in other posts, so you're just going to use that as a blanket, I'm wrong and you don't have to actually make a cogent and honest response.

Bigly sad

Someone already linked you to a questionable post, you dismissed it, and I replied to it. In this thread you brag about your prowess. It's locker room behavior as they like to say. The fact that it has to be explained to you says pretty much everything.

 

[MrSquished]

Someone already linked you to a questionable post, you dismissed it, and I replied to it. In this thread you brag about your prowess. It's locker room behavior as they like to say. The fact that it has to be explained to you says pretty much everything.

You just can't stop lying can you. I respond to them linking that post and asked what their point was? Because it's completely irrelevant to the discussion. They have so far not responded. But you don't bother with being honest you just assume it's relevant. And then also completely make up I was bragging about my partner's conventional beauty. A complete fabrication. When I made that post, I had no partner.

I made statement where I enjoy women for all their qualities and successes and Independence, and yes also I really enjoy sex with them and that includes giving them pleasure. Enjoy giving a partner pleasure is actually healthy, and it's okay to say so. It's actually quite well known that men often orgasm much easier than women, and that a lot of men can be pretty selfish lovers. Criticizing me for enjoying being an unselfish lover is just fucking strange. It's okay to talk about sex in healthy ways, maybe talk about that with your therapist.

The fact you're trying to turn that around into something else is kind of weird, especially since you're lying about everything else.

 

[Moonbeam]

To be clear, Peterson is an actual fascist, and his books are a repackage of the work of Julius Evola, a fascist philosopher who contributed to the rise of fascism in Italy and elsewhere.

As I stated in an earlier post I had to edit because of a mistake I think I made, I don’t take too seriously statements that are just enunciated without argument, attempted truth, etc. as fact or effectively changing my opinion. I just want to say only that. I am not asking you prove he’s a Nazi nor am I denying it.

I watched a number of Peterson videos and found his criticism of young conservative men and he expressed great fidelity to how I see them. I also thought his practical suggestions for improving their self respect to have merit. I also liked that he had sympathy and was willing to devote his time and attention to people liberals dismiss, ignore or go psycho over our of self righteous disgust. I find their plight to be sad. Not that I wouldn’t shoot one in some far fetched scenario when ere I had that only option to prevent one of them about to do immediate harm to another person.

There may also be things about myself that harmonize with fascist thinking. I prefer timely over haphazard train arrival times, etc.

My point was made because in my experience posting here, mentioning Peterson in the past on observations of his on life that I find to have merit evoked from many many liberals here massive calumny directed at me. It’s a great subject to mention, in my opinion, when you want to point out similar but opposite reactions on the left and the right as you did above yourself regarding some so called liberal men and gifts to women. Loved it and saw the same thing. Our culture has done a number on men

I myself only managed to escape all the ego damage and hold onto objective sexuality because I was born with an enormous dick and never worried I might be inferior though it has caused me to go deaf in my left ear.