Made another 40 dollar pot of chili

[QueBert]

Wow. Wow.

If Hormel is your standard, you have extremely low standards. It is a good thing that you have given up on DIY chili, if you cannot do any better.

When I was teen, my mom was buying me Chef Boyardee O's and other canned varieties to eat for a quick meal. Then one day I discovered spaghetti, ravioli and sauce in a jar. I wasn't making pasta in a machine or sauce from scratch, but I raised my standards by cooking sauce and pasta, not from a can. Mom didn't care, because now she didn't have to bother opening up a can, heating the CB on the stove amd cleaning up after me. It was a win-win for both of us.

Low standards and proper chili (no beans!) > high standards and chili with "beans" in it. A can of Hormel no bean chili does suck, but it can be improved by adding spices and peppers to it, not much but some what at least. Where as Chili with beans is always a complete lost cause. I would take straight from the can Hormel no beans over the most raved about bean infused bullshit someone labels chili.

 

[Ns1]

Low standards and proper chili (no beans!) > high standards and chili with "beans" in it. A can of Hormel no bean chili does suck, but it can be improved by adding spices and peppers to it, not much but some what at least. Where as Chili with beans is always a complete lost cause. I would take straight from the can Hormel no beans over the most raved about bean infused bullshit someone labels chili.

for canned chili, cattle drive basically shits on hormel. that hormel stuff is gross even just for hot dogs.

 

[zinfamous]

for canned chili, cattle drive basically shits on hormel. that hormel stuff is gross even just for hot dogs.

The best part is the beans.

 

[Carson Dyle]

i'm not going to go so far as to claim that beans cannot be in chili. they were almost certainly used by the poors to make it go further. but all you idiots need to stop using creole kidney beans and start using tex mex pinto beans if you're going to add them.

and stop adding so many dang tomatoes. this isn't red gravy.

this is the right ratio of meat to tomatoes:
http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/FAQs/Recipes/chili.asp

this... this is some foul bastard child of italian american red gravy, mcdonalds breakfast, memphis barbecue, and creole cooking.

The idiots are those who would argue that there's a "proper" way to make chili. Good God, I think I've seen it all now. Proper beans? LOL!!

 

[zinfamous]

The idiots are those who would argue that there's a "proper" way to make chili. Good God, I think I've seen it all now. Proper beans? LOL!!

well, different beans do have different textures...some some would be more "proper" if you are aiming for tradition.

Of course then there are the outliers like Quebert that would have you shot on the street for the mere insinuation of beans of any type.

The way I see it with chili, you have to include the most essential things:

--chili peppers (that means real, dried, chili peppers: pasillo, ancho, guajillo, california...whatever. tons of options to play with--they have to be toasted and cooked down/pasted. Reduced into the dish in some way.)
--spices--most of this is covered with the real chilis, but without fresh toasted and ground cumin, some cayenne, probably some thyme and/or basil, it just won't taste like chili. Avoid dried chili powders whenever you can, because it will always feel and taste like a powder.
--red meat: beef like shortribs or ground sirloin. cooked and reduced. can substitute all for venison, or even toss in/mix with pork? but it really should be red meat/game.
--some tomato, in a low volume--like 20-30%, I think. Probably way less...


That's the base, and that's chili. I think tossing in your own shit after that is totally fine. Beans are fine. green peppers are fine. chocolate and coffee are certainly fine. many things are fine, but you need some irreplaceable essentials and you don't want to mess up your ratios--don't go way off on tomatoes or you end up with Italian "gravy"; or heavy on beans/meat ratio. But call it vegetarian and replace all meat with beans. That is perfectly fine and I'm sure your heart will be pleased with you and laughing while the "chili purists" will scold you from their hospital beds.

 

[TheGardener]

I don't want to get dragged into the beans versus no beans in chili war. It is almost as bad as the blow job is sex versus is not sex argument that developed when Bill Clinton pointed his finger on TV 18 years ago, proclaiming "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people. Thank you."

Though I have heard she claims that real chili doesn't have beans in it.

 

[Carson Dyle]

I don't want to get dragged into the beans versus no beans in chili war.

There is no war. Only those who waste their time insisting that a recipe for a pot of fucking chili has rules.

 

[ElFenix]

The idiots are those who would argue that there's a "proper" way to make chili. Good God, I think I've seen it all now. Proper beans? LOL!!

Just because it shoots bullets doesn't make it an AK-47.

 

[QueBert]

There is no war. Only those who waste their time insisting that a recipe for a pot of fucking chili has rules.

I belong to the ICS, International Chili Society. The largest chili organization in the world. There are rules, no beans, period - no exceptions.

 

[zinfamous]

I belong to the ICS, International Chili Society. The largest chili organization in the world. There are rules, no beans, period - no exceptions.

According to your contest, which requires rules.

The rest of the world doesn't give a shit.

Are you tasked with coming to my house and removing the beans from my chili?

 

[Mayne]

I only put beans in my chili because I thought all cowboys did it. you telling me Blazing Saddles the movie lied to me? you telling me that mofo?

 

[Ns1]

I belong to the ICS, International Chili Society. The largest chili organization in the world. There are rules, no beans, period - no exceptions.

the ICS page regarding history of chili seems to recognize that beans play an important role in chili.

just because the official ICS competition rules regarding chili state that there are no beans, does not make chili w/ beans non-authentic.

 

[MongGrel]

I belong to the ICS, International Chili Society. The largest chili organization in the world. There are rules, no beans, period - no exceptions.

According to your contest, which requires rules.

The rest of the world doesn't give a shit.

Are you tasked with coming to my house and removing the beans from my chili?

 

[QueBert]

the ICS page regarding history of chili seems to recognize that beans play an important role in chili.

just because the official ICS competition rules regarding chili state that there are no beans, does not make chili w/ beans non-authentic.

Beans played a roll as filler for poor farmers who couldn't afford to make it the way it was intended. Chili was a creation that had no beans originally, so by virtue of that with beans it cannot be authentic. Is it popular? of course, but that doesn't mean it's authentic. Over time most recipes are altered, and a lot of dishes in their modified forms are accepted by the masses, or even considered to be proper when they're not. While ICS does recognize chili with beans as a thing, but we don't recognize it as actual chili. It has to be acknowledged due to the mass amount of people who eat it that way. But the fact chili with beans cannot be entered in their CHILI cook-offs should tell you we don't even truly accept it, rather just give a nod to it's existence. And the ICS refers to it as chili with beans, when made with meat we don't refer to it as chili with meat. Chili with beans is definitely a thing, but should always be referred to as such. If the ICS ever alters their rules to allow chili with beans into their shit, that's the day I drop my membership.

 

[Ns1]

Chili was a creation that had no beans originally, so by virtue of that with beans it cannot be authentic.

we're sitting at the top of a slippery slide. the question is, do we go down that slide or no....

 

[QueBert]

we're sitting at the top of a slippery slide. the question is, do we go down that slide or no....

It's not slippery at all, chili didn't have beans originally and was never meant to have them. They were added later, and today many millions of people enjoy it that way. Which is great, but label it as such. I don't have to ask a pizza place if their pizza has white sauce, because you'll never order one and have it come that way by default. You have to ask for a white pizza. It sucks I have to ask every place I get chili if it's "chili with beans?" A good comparison is chocolate milk, imagine buying a gallon of milk and pouring a glass to see it's chocolate milk. Yes, technically it's milk, but with chocolate added. Thankfully every canned chili I've ever seen properly has beans printed on the label.