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Mad skill with black pencils and color pencils

not impressed with photo realistic drawings. Not talent.

I *suppose* you could argue it's not artistic but to say it's not talent is ridiculous. Does the ability to sing someone else's song well require talent? How about playing a song you didn't write on an instrument? What, in your world, does indicate talent?
 
I *suppose* you could argue it's not artistic but to say it's not talent is ridiculous. Does the ability to sing someone else's song well require talent? How about playing a song you didn't write on an instrument? What, in your world, does indicate talent?


talent inspires me..not make go "how he do that?" anyone can do shit if they practice enough. I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING COOL
 
not impressed with photo realistic drawings. Not talent.

You don't think that's talent? So because he chooses to express his art by making a representation that is as close to the real thing as possible it somehow becomes mundane and commonplace?
 
talent inspires me..not make go "how he do that?" anyone can do shit if they practice enough. I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING COOL
Wtf do you think results in talent? Practice, practice, practice.
 
I am curious, how can there be a partial grid paper where the grid lines then disappear completely? The first and second picture/photo makes me think they're fake. There's a few other minor details as well that add to the skepticism.

However I have seen several real drawings of this caliber, so it's not impossible.
 
I am curious, how can there be a partial grid paper where the grid lines then disappear completely? The first and second picture/photo makes me think they're fake. There's a few other minor details as well that add to the skepticism.

However I have seen several real drawings of this caliber, so it's not impossible.

I print my own grid paper depending on the scale I want all the time. You could do whatever you please to it.
 
talent inspires me..not make go "how he do that?" anyone can do shit if they practice enough. I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING COOL
Not everyone can paint a mirror red and call it art, which i've seen. The aforementioned piece of art got an entire room in an modern art museum to itself.

I'd rather someone who practiced and got amazing at a particular skill than an "artist" who gives meaning to things that don't exist.
 
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Being an artist myself, I can say the work is good, but it's just basically taking the time to copy from a photo using pencils. Someone with a good eye, steady hand, and willingness to put in time can do the same thing. Most of it is just taking time to pick out the details and painstakingly copy them over. What he did was nice, and impressive for a non-artistic person to look at, but any decent artist that is still in practice can do the same. Which surprisingly enough, many of those taking art classes aren't willing to take the time required to do art like that. The talent here is having the concentration and fortitude to make it happen.
 
I wonder if people who can draw like that have photographic memory and some form of idiot savant autism.

Huh? It's really not that hard. Once you know the techniques and basics of shape, shading, and how to keep your hand steady, it's nothing but putting in the time to make it happen.
 
Huh? It's really not that hard. Once you know the techniques and basics of shape, shading, and how to keep your hand steady, it's nothing but putting in the time to make it happen.

Pretty much this. His technique is really good, however, it is basically just coping a picture. He has honed his skills, but without any real artistic expression shown in the pictures.
 
Pretty much this. His technique is really good, however, it is basically just coping a picture. He has honed his skills, but without any real artistic expression shown in the pictures.

While there is a lot of practice involved, there are simply some people who will never have the ability to do anything nearly as well as he (and probably you) can do. It's like saying anyone could become a great singer with enough practice or a great athlete with enough practice. You can certainly become a good singer, athlete, or "drawer" with enough practice but to reach the elite levels requires an innate ability that most don't possess.

I'm very familiar with the 10,000 hour rule proposed by Gladwell and my son is involved in high levels of athletics, so I feel like I'm knowledgeable enough in the concepts of talent and hard work. Again, I won't argue whether his skills show true artistic ability or not (leaning toward not) but he definitely has skills.
 
While there is a lot of practice involved, there are simply some people who will never have the ability to do anything nearly as well as he (and probably you) can do. It's like saying anyone could become a great singer with enough practice or a great athlete with enough practice. You can certainly become a good singer, athlete, or "drawer" with enough practice but to reach the elite levels requires an innate ability that most don't possess.

I'm very familiar with the 10,000 hour rule proposed by Gladwell and my son is involved in high levels of athletics, so I feel like I'm knowledgeable enough in the concepts of talent and hard work. Again, I won't argue whether his skills show true artistic ability or not (leaning toward not) but he definitely has skills.

How to put this... playing a musical instrument is basically the same. As long as you can get the basic coordination down you can replicate ANYTHING with enough practice. This is true of anyone. Replication does not make a musician at all though.

The level of "art" in this is the same as what I described. Anyone that can do basic shapes and shading techniques can eventually do what he is doing here with enough time and effort. I mean ANYONE. If you can hold a pencil you can do what he is doing. It takes none of that "innate" talent at all to do what he is doing. It does take hard work, lots of patience, and lots of persistence. Of that there is no doubt. Much of which many people are not willing to do the patience and persistence part. That is really is the level of talent involved, because some people just don't have the patience to do what he does.

That isn't the same as artistic talent at all. It looks great, but it isn't good art.

As an example, for a long time I played the piano. I am not a musician. I am basically tone deaf. You couldn't get me to compose anything. At one time though you could give me a sheet of notes, and with the exact mechanics I could play damn near anything. Can't do that now as I haven't touched a piano since I was 13. Hell I would have to relearn the basics of how to play all over I think and I don't want to go back to it. It wasn't fun. I knew I was never going to be a good musician, despite being technically good at playing. There is a difference.

That's why when I hear classical music, I don't exactly think the musicians playing something from Beethoven are particularly great. They are technically very capable, and I like the music, but I don't think any of them are all that good really despite how well they can play.

It's that next step of creation that takes talent. That is something that can't be taught and you either have it or you don't. Making something from scratch, with your own composition in mind to invoke something you want out of the audience is where real talent is at. Being good technically at the art type you are trying to do certainly helps the artist get their point across. But a good technical drawing only shows good technical skills.

To use your sports analogy, if a person has a certain level of coordination, they can be damn good at certain drills. I've seen some excellent sports players with great coordination and ability technically... but they will never be professionals. They lack that ability to "see the field" properly. To anticipate, to go inside the mind of the opponent. Some people have raw physical ability by being fast enough or strong enough to overcome that to a degree. The truly outstanding players in any sport go beyond technical ability though. That is where the raw talent lies. The ability to anticipate what is needed to be done before it happens. To be where you need to be so you don't have to have ridiculous speed/strength to make up for it. Of course having ridiculous speed/strength/size certainly helps immensely. Much of that can't be achieved except by accident of birth either.

But to do art or music requires less on the accident of birth for physical capabilities. Even to be good at the technical aspects of an artistic expression.

I am impressed with the level of technical ability achieved by the person linked in the OP. It does take a certain amount of dedication to be able to do that. It is a dedication which many aren't able to put in to doing. That is very commendable. But it is certainly not something based on a unique talent that can't be learned by anyone. Because anyone that can do the basics can reach the level of "skill" shown by the art in the OP.
 
While there is a lot of practice involved, there are simply some people who will never have the ability to do anything nearly as well as he (and probably you) can do. It's like saying anyone could become a great singer with enough practice or a great athlete with enough practice. You can certainly become a good singer, athlete, or "drawer" with enough practice but to reach the elite levels requires an innate ability that most don't possess.

I'm very familiar with the 10,000 hour rule proposed by Gladwell and my son is involved in high levels of athletics, so I feel like I'm knowledgeable enough in the concepts of talent and hard work. Again, I won't argue whether his skills show true artistic ability or not (leaning toward not) but he definitely has skills.

HumblePie really elaborated a lot more on what I am about to say. Technical ability is not the same as artistic ability. Plenty of people learn to play the piano, but few are musicians. Anyone can train a monkey to hit the right keys in the right order, at the right time. However, understand why that is meant to be and being able to compose music for a monkey to play is an entirely different thing.

I am not saying this guy isn't a great artist, because he might very well be. All I can comment on is that he has fantastic technical ability. It is likely he has devoted a lot of time to his craft.
 
Amazing talent. Also,

You have no concept of what talent is.

You are too easy

I *suppose* you could argue it's not artistic but to say it's not talent is ridiculous. Does the ability to sing someone else's song well require talent? How about playing a song you didn't write on an instrument? What, in your world, does indicate talent?

You are too easy

You don't think that's talent? So because he chooses to express his art by making a representation that is as close to the real thing as possible it somehow becomes mundane and commonplace?

You are too easy.

Others are also too easy.
 
only on atot will people say something like this takes no talent or skill to do...

I don't think anyone outside of Mayne says this doesn't take skill or talent, just that it does not make one an amazing artist. I have a firm grasp of the English language and far above average typing skills, that doesn't mean I am a good writer. I could copy all of Shakespeare verbatim, and in a very impressive amount of time. That is essentially what this guy is doing.
 
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