MACWORLD now...what new goodies will we see?

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Jobs must think people are stupid if they're willing to shell out so much more so the same thing...

uhhh.. where have you been, people are f'in retarded (that's just a general comment really).

You're paying not only for OS X, but for the look. Apple has a killer design team. Sure, people on this forum might thing it's ugly and whatnot, but to the masses, it turns many more heads than that piece of plastic dell.

But it will be interesting... w/ directly comparable specs to dell counterparts, we'll really find out of people value apple that much or not.

well...I do like the lighted keyboard...does that count?

but does that mean I'm going to pay more for the same thing? nope.

oh, the dell looks mean, but who cares what it looks like? It's just a computer. How much time do you think you will spend on: 1. working on the laptop, 2. staring at it.

exactly...it may look good, but 99.9% of the time, you'll have it open and working on something.

you're still thinking from a functional viewpoint.. that's not how apple sells. It's not "just a computer." They sell the look. The style. The name. And obviously they're doing a pretty damn good job.

Now, I'm not trying to sell you on a mac, just saying that's where they go to.

I understand they're sellings the looks, but I'm just trying to bring to light that the hardware is all the same now. Before, they can con people into thinking apple is better, but everyone is playing in the same field now. if Jobs is truely a business genius, he should sell these new intel inside Macs at a lower price than the dells, HPs, and gateways and watch the people really "switch"

yet, he's stuck in the apple should cost more mode, which is why apple will never increase their market share the way they want to...

You see, that's not thinking from a business point of view. Jobs is a HUSTLER. He is hustling the public. Why sell at a lower price when he doesn't have to? He knows he's going to get buyers at the price he wants. He WILL get his 7% market share or whatever he set, with the prices he set, all within the time limit he set. Apple/Jobs has not hit the point where they have to start selling things at a price lower then Dell or HP. Hell, apple may never get there.

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Jobs must think people are stupid if they're willing to shell out so much more so the same thing...

uhhh.. where have you been, people are f'in retarded (that's just a general comment really).

You're paying not only for OS X, but for the look. Apple has a killer design team. Sure, people on this forum might thing it's ugly and whatnot, but to the masses, it turns many more heads than that piece of plastic dell.

But it will be interesting... w/ directly comparable specs to dell counterparts, we'll really find out of people value apple that much or not.

well...I do like the lighted keyboard...does that count?

but does that mean I'm going to pay more for the same thing? nope.

oh, the dell looks mean, but who cares what it looks like? It's just a computer. How much time do you think you will spend on: 1. working on the laptop, 2. staring at it.

exactly...it may look good, but 99.9% of the time, you'll have it open and working on something.

you're still thinking from a functional viewpoint.. that's not how apple sells. It's not "just a computer." They sell the look. The style. The name. And obviously they're doing a pretty damn good job.

Now, I'm not trying to sell you on a mac, just saying that's where they go to.

I understand they're sellings the looks, but I'm just trying to bring to light that the hardware is all the same now. Before, they can con people into thinking apple is better, but everyone is playing in the same field now. if Jobs is truely a business genius, he should sell these new intel inside Macs at a lower price than the dells, HPs, and gateways and watch the people really "switch"

yet, he's stuck in the apple should cost more mode, which is why apple will never increase their market share the way they want to...

You see, that's not thinking from a business point of view. Jobs is a HUSTLER. He is hustling the public. Why sell at a lower price when he doesn't have to? He knows he's going to get buyers at the price he wants. He WILL get his 7% market share or whatever he set, with the prices he set, all within the time limit he set. Apple/Jobs has not hit the point where they have to start selling things at a price lower then Dell or HP. Hell, apple may never get there.

well...as long as they're content with their mini market share...

 

[James3shin]

hehe must be, b/c ~7% doesn't seem like much to me either.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: randomlinh

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Jobs must think people are stupid if they're willing to shell out so much more so the same thing...

uhhh.. where have you been, people are f'in retarded (that's just a general comment really).

You're paying not only for OS X, but for the look. Apple has a killer design team. Sure, people on this forum might thing it's ugly and whatnot, but to the masses, it turns many more heads than that piece of plastic dell.

But it will be interesting... w/ directly comparable specs to dell counterparts, we'll really find out of people value apple that much or not.

Not to mention Mac has people locked in with their software.
Anyhow, IBM used to charge quite a bit more for their laptops than equivalents from Dell and other companies, though Lenovo has changed that quite a bit. (hopefully they'll restore IBM's computer division to profitability as well)

And obviously they're doing a pretty damn good job.

That's debatable, back when Apple legitimately was superior they held about 5% of the market. Now they're down to about 2%. People do like the Apple design and the whole "it's different" thing, but they're not willing to spend $1000 more for it. Apple needs sub $1000 notebooks before people will start to adopt it more, and I'm not sure if there's anything they can do to save their desktop market.

He WILL get his 7% market share or whatever he set, with the prices he set, all within the time limit he set. Apple/Jobs has not hit the point where they have to start selling things at a price lower then Dell or HP.

Heh, Apple's marketshare is nowhere near that. For that matter, even die hard Mac fanatics are starting to become enlightened. I have a cousin who was diehard Mac for the last decade, switched to a PC a few years ago because his work made him, and now he wouldn't touch a Mac, for its OS and especially not for its hardware. (he doesn't view apple as con-men like some people on this forum, but he definetely views IBM them...of course if he sees that these Intel books cost 50% more than the same pc hardware then his viewpoint may change)

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

also, Men don't care about weight

I do see if it may be an issue for women though...

Heh, I hope that you're kidding! If you're not... Try putting 10 pounds of rocks in a bag and walk around with the bag on your shoulder for a mile or two. That's what it's like to carry around a 7 pound laptop, plus all of the cables and adapters you'll need to use it on the road. Trust me, you'll figure out why travelling sales folks like light laptops pretty quickly!

 

[James3shin]

I believe someone stated in this thread that apples current market share is 5% and they are trying / expecting to get to 7% market share within a year.

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

also, Men don't care about weight

I do see if it may be an issue for women though...

Heh, I hope that you're kidding! If you're not... Try putting 10 pounds of rocks in a bag and walk around with the bag on your shoulder for a mile or two. That's what it's like to carry around a 7 pound laptop, plus all of the cables and adapters you'll need to use it on the road. Trust me, you'll figure out why travelling sales folks like light laptops pretty quickly!

<-- This is your friend

they even make one for just laptops...it's a little cheaper.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: James3shin
I believe someone stated in this thread that apples current market share is 5% and they are trying / expecting to get to 7% market share within a year.

I read a news article earlier today about Mac World that said their current marketshare is 2%.
And I read a history of Apple article not too long ago that put the highest market share percentage Apple ever held as around 5%, with the Commodore being the only platform to ever truly challenge the PC once the PC started to take off. (actually, Commodore didn't so much challenge as it was just the dominant force in the market that was quickly outpaced by PC sales)

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

also, Men don't care about weight

I do see if it may be an issue for women though...

Heh, I hope that you're kidding! If you're not... Try putting 10 pounds of rocks in a bag and walk around with the bag on your shoulder for a mile or two. That's what it's like to carry around a 7 pound laptop, plus all of the cables and adapters you'll need to use it on the road. Trust me, you'll figure out why travelling sales folks like light laptops pretty quickly!

i routinely carry around 10+ lbs of stuff in my backpack and none of it is a lappy and i walk at least 5 miles a day to and from shtff, 6lbs is fing nothing

i think all my camera stuff, which i carry in a backpack weighs at least 15lbs

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

also, Men don't care about weight

I do see if it may be an issue for women though...

Heh, I hope that you're kidding! If you're not... Try putting 10 pounds of rocks in a bag and walk around with the bag on your shoulder for a mile or two. That's what it's like to carry around a 7 pound laptop, plus all of the cables and adapters you'll need to use it on the road. Trust me, you'll figure out why travelling sales folks like light laptops pretty quickly!

i routinely carry around 10+ lbs of stuff in my backpack and none of it is a lappy and i walk at least 5 miles a day to and from shtff, 6lbs is fing nothing

i think all my camera stuff, which i carry in a backpack weighs at least 15lbs

Well, if you're carrying all that stuff in your backpack and then want to stuff in a laptop, it better be a laptop durable enough to survive in there. (In my experience....not IBM)

 

[LethalWolfe]

Fox5,
You are just completely missing Apple's business model. Dell is about assembling a computer in the most cost and time efficient manor. Apple is about maximizing the end user experience. Two very different goals. Making a direct comparison between Dell and Apple is as flawed as making a direct comparison between Apple and MS.

Also, how many PC makers (IBM, HP, Gateway, etc.,) ran red trying to keep up w/Dell? I haven't looked a numbers recently, but I know for a long time Apple and Dell were the only companies in their field consistently turing a profit.


Lethal

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Fox5,
You are just completely missing Apple's business model. Dell is about assembling a computer in the most cost and time efficient manor. Apple is about maximizing the end user experience. Two very different goals. Making a direct comparison between Dell and Apple is as flawed as making a direct comparison between Apple and MS.

Also, how many PC makers (IBM, HP, Gateway, etc.,) ran red trying to keep up w/Dell? I haven't looked a numbers recently, but I know for a long time Apple and Dell were the only companies in their field consistently turing a profit.


Lethal

That may all be true, but it doesn't change that part of the Apple experience is a lie. Apple consistently lies about their performance, as if somehow that makes the whole platform more viable. As far as the higher prices for better non-hardware stuff....I think they'd have better success if they matched on prices (or at least came closer) but exceeded other companies on everywhere else and allowed sales volume to take over the rest. Look what it's done for the iPod, even if you don't care about itunes or the iPod design, it is very affordably priced compared to competitors.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Shlong

Originally posted by: Fox5
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
Lol, I love how Apple is still up to their old games. 4x the power of their old laptops. While this is probably more accurate than the old G5 to PC comparsions, especially if they take into account the video card upgrade, I still think that may be a bit of an exaggeration. A P-M is a lot more powerful than a G4 cpu, but not twice the power, and just because it has 2 cpus doesn't mean they can double the performance advantage over a single core. Actual performance increase is probably closer to 2x-3x.

Well in the keynote Jobs is basing on floating point & some other benchmark, and he said granted not all programs will have such real-world performance gains but it'll be noticeably faster.

well wasn't the g4 also very very old? basically it stayed stagnant for a long time so its not a comparison between current chips of two types we normally expect.

i do like their push to dual core though. its all about multitasking and a smoother user experience. video encoding and whatever else is meh...user experience is what is affected all the time.

 

[rmrf]

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: UTmtnbiker
I think the appeal of both computers, the desktop and the laptop, is going to be if/when it's confirmed that dual boot is possible. At that time, I'll probably buy it.

I would be very, very surprised if dual boot wasn't possible. When asked about this when the move to Intel was first announced Apple replied w/some vague answer of OS X will only work on Macs blah, blah, blah. They didn't say "no, dual boot is not possible" and of course they weren't going to say, "Yes, please put Windows on your Mac."


Lethal

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=34&threadid=1777730

"That's fine with us. We don't mind," Schiller said. "If there are people who love our hardware but are forced to put up with a Windows world, then that's OK."

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Fox5

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

also, Men don't care about weight

I do see if it may be an issue for women though...

Heh, I hope that you're kidding! If you're not... Try putting 10 pounds of rocks in a bag and walk around with the bag on your shoulder for a mile or two. That's what it's like to carry around a 7 pound laptop, plus all of the cables and adapters you'll need to use it on the road. Trust me, you'll figure out why travelling sales folks like light laptops pretty quickly!

i routinely carry around 10+ lbs of stuff in my backpack and none of it is a lappy and i walk at least 5 miles a day to and from shtff, 6lbs is fing nothing

i think all my camera stuff, which i carry in a backpack weighs at least 15lbs

Well, if you're carrying all that stuff in your backpack and then want to stuff in a laptop, it better be a laptop durable enough to survive in there. (In my experience....not IBM)

with a laptop specific backpack it woudl be fine, if i had a lappy and neded to carry it i woudl get one, my brother has one and his dell as survived a year so far, and he isnt the most carfull person

 

[thirdlegstump]

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: LethalWolfe

Originally posted by: UTmtnbiker
I think the appeal of both computers, the desktop and the laptop, is going to be if/when it's confirmed that dual boot is possible. At that time, I'll probably buy it.

I would be very, very surprised if dual boot wasn't possible. When asked about this when the move to Intel was first announced Apple replied w/some vague answer of OS X will only work on Macs blah, blah, blah. They didn't say "no, dual boot is not possible" and of course they weren't going to say, "Yes, please put Windows on your Mac."


Lethal

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=34&threadid=1777730

"That's fine with us. We don't mind," Schiller said. "If there are people who love our hardware but are forced to put up with a Windows world, then that's OK."

The article only states that Microsoft is signing a 5 year contract with Apple in developing and maintaining Office for MacOS. It does not state that Windows will run on Apple Intel hardware although they guess that it's theoretically possible through unsupported methods by technically adept users. Since the system boots into Open Firmware directly and Windows typically requires a BIOS ala Phoenix, it may not be an easy task although I'm certainly hoping for it.

 

[UlricT]

Ok guys from the NY Times....
"Mr. Jobs said he fully expected some users to run Windows on the new Macs eventually, which could make Apple's computers an attractive alternative to PC's that run only Windows. "I'm not going to do anything to preclude that," he said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/11/technology/11apple.html
Halfway down the page! WOOOOT!!!!

 

[RollWave]

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[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: UlricT
Ok guys from the NY Times....
"Mr. Jobs said he fully expected some users to run Windows on the new Macs eventually, which could make Apple's computers an attractive alternative to PC's that run only Windows. "I'm not going to do anything to preclude that," he said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/11/technology/11apple.html
Halfway down the page! WOOOOT!!!!