Machine Polished CPUs? (i7-975 Extreme Edition)

[ing0c0]

It is also illegal to sell them as Intel never sells them in the first place, all ES chips are property of Intel on loan to their various platform development partners. (like ASUS, Supermicro, etc)

Now that you know it is an ES, regardless whether or not the "seller" has any legitimate claims as to why it should be viewed as superior to a retail chip you now know the seller is trying to sell you something they don't technically own (even if they thought they purchased it legitimately from someone else, buying a stolen car doesn't make it not stolen any more).

I wouldn't touch it.

That is a very good point, and as mentioned before I assume thats why the etching is taken off. Similar to that of filing down the serial on a stolen gun.

I've also read elsewhere that if you turn in ES chips to Intel they will give another chip back to you of equal or higher value. This does not seem right, but I thought I'd just put it out there.

 

[Gillbot]

This pretty much sums it up. I would not part with my top 3520 for many times what it cost. If someone is giving up a cpu it either overclocks like a dog or they degraded it and don't want it any more.

Not everyone unloads a cherry or good clocking chip just because it's a dog or fried. Some may simply want an upgrade or to try the next chip so they sell the current one to help offset the cost of the next one.

 

[aigomorla]

That's what I originally thought, but I asked to be sure and this is what I got back:

"The extreme edition does not guarantee that the multiplier is unlocked. Some extreme edition cpu's does not have the multiplier unlocked. I am not sure why Intel does this, but they do not advertise that the multiplier is unlocked on their extreme edition cpu's. Maybe due to different batches, yields etc, and they do not want to guarantee it if you overclock it?"

OK if the seller is telling you this.

Tell the seller F OFF, nice middle finger, and go find a reputable seller.

XE = EXTREME EDITION = 100% Unlocked.

Otherwise it wouldnt be an XE edition.
And when it comes to ES XE CPU's, im the biggest whore on this forum.

So ANYONE who tells you an XE is locked, ES or not, is just pulling your leg.

The ONLY time i got a locked processor when it was suposed to be unlocked was a W3570 ES. That was because it was the earily production ES, which had a locked multi.

I got a later production unit, and it had its multi unlocked, same as the W3580. But these are Xeons, and not normal i7's.

 

[Rubycon]

Not everyone unloads a cherry or good clocking chip just because it's a dog or fried. Some may simply want an upgrade or to try the next chip so they sell the current one to help offset the cost of the next one.

There is no real upgrade commonly available yet. Think about it! Unless you can get a Gulftown that OC to 4.5GHz on all SIX cores Linpack stable - it isn't a real upgrade and the folks that DO want it so bad they can taste it will sell their soul to the devil if they have to in order to have them BOTH!

Buying that is a risk especially when they are bullshitting the OP telling them EE chips are NOT all the same. That is the ONLY reason to buy one so you're not strapped. (unless you know some other things that won't be discussed here!) 😉

 

[aigomorla]

There is no real upgrade commonly available yet. Think about it! Unless you can get a Gulftown that OC to 4.5GHz on all SIX cores Linpack stable - it isn't a real upgrade and the folks that DO want it so bad they can taste it will sell their soul to the devil if they have to in order to have them BOTH!

Buying that is a risk especially when they are bullshitting the OP telling them EE chips are NOT all the same. That is the ONLY reason to buy one so you're not strapped. (unless you know some other things that won't be discussed here!) 😉

well chances are if he can get a 975 ES, then he probably has access to gulftown on the black market.

And knowing the price on such black market, it would be very pricey.

OP, set conditions.
1. 1/3rd current retail cost.
2. 10 day working gaurentee. (meaning u have 10 days for it to be working. This way u can come to us if it doesnt work right and have enough time for help.)

If he doesnt accept those conditions, dont bother.

 

[Rubycon]

There are plenty of ES Gulftown Xeons available. I have some in the queue. It's frowned upon like speeding and double parking. Since I don't drive I guess that makes it even, right? 😉

Doubtful such a request will get granted and it does not matter anyhow as once it's retail I'll have a pair all nice and crated up waiting for me at a seaport.

 

[Gillbot]

There is no real upgrade commonly available yet.

As Aigo said, if he has one ES, he can likely get another. PLUS, he may be getting a different chip that clocks better, like a cherry D0 920 or something. Some people don't need their CPUID string to be top of the line, they let the overall clock tell the tale.

Personally, I'd sell off a 975 that clocked pretty good for a 920 that just as well. Especially if that meant I'd have a similar overall clock and a few $ in my pocket.

 

[exar333]

That's what I originally thought, but I asked to be sure and this is what I got back:

"The extreme edition does not guarantee that the multiplier is unlocked. Some extreme edition cpu's does not have the multiplier unlocked. I am not sure why Intel does this, but they do not advertise that the multiplier is unlocked on their extreme edition cpu's. Maybe due to different batches, yields etc, and they do not want to guarantee it if you overclock it?"

I wouldn't buy from this seller...

 

[aigomorla]

I've also read elsewhere that if you turn in ES chips to Intel they will give another chip back to you of equal or higher value. This does not seem right, but I thought I'd just put it out there.

Only if u hold the NDA.

Otherwise no if you return a chip, intel will say thank you, and never get back to you again.

Remember these chips were intel's to begin with.
So why would they be responsible for replacing a chip that was there's to begin with?

If you bought the ES, you bought it on the black market.

 

[Gillbot]

Only if u hold the NDA.

Otherwise no if you return a chip, intel will say thank you, and never get back to you again.

Remember these chips were intel's to begin with.
So why would they be responsible for replacing a chip that was there's to begin with?

If you bought the ES, you bought it on the black market.

Basically, you bought stolen property if you paid for it.

 

[jvroig]

Basically, you bought stolen property if you paid for it.

Then we don't have to be talking about it anymore. If it's an ES, it's not supposed to be sold or bought.

OP, stay away. You already have multiple red flags.

 

[Idontcare]

You bring up an interesting point jvroig...if the sale/purchase of ES chips are known illegal actions then should such subject/topics be taboo and bannable in the same way as helping people find warez ripped software? Its all piracy to an extent.

 

[aigomorla]

Its all piracy to an extent.

lol... although i think this applies to ruby more then us.

 

[veri745]

lol... although i think this applies to ruby more then us.

This is just silly because the "Theft removes the original" statement is false. If I steal your credit card information, I have not removed the original, but it's still theft.

Of course this is completely off topic since it was meant to be a joke.

 

[aigomorla]

This is just silly because the "Theft removes the original" statement is false. If I steal your credit card information, I have not removed the original, but it's still theft.

Of course this is completely off topic since it was meant to be a joke.

wouldnt that be more credit card fraud?

and yeah, that picture was a joke.. im waiting for ruby to comment, because she's the only one on the sea's that can be called a pirate.

 

[Rubycon]

im waiting for ruby to comment, because she's the only one on the sea's that can be called a pirate.

No I don't steal stuff. The penalty is too severe and it's too easy to get caught. 😉

Of course if overclocking is considered stealing then I guess I'm flying the wrong flag!

 

[aigomorla]

Of course if overclocking is considered stealing then I guess I'm flying the wrong flag!

LOL u need an intel skulltrail flag..

Remember these guys?

 

[Idontcare]

No I don't steal stuff. The penalty is too severe and it's too easy to get caught. 😉

Of course if overclocking is considered stealing then I guess I'm flying the wrong flag!

The photo used as a reference here was quite specific as to the manner of "stuff" you'd be stealing too. Specifically I believe you'd qualify to have professional turd burglar on your business card per the description of piracy in the graphic above. Personally I'm more of a turd donor, on the high seas or otherwise.

 

[Rubycon]

I'm not even going there but let's just say (the brown word) rules EVERYTHING. 😀

LOL u need an intel skulltrail flag..

Remember these guys?

Yes I remember. That CNC'd out of titanium and anodized in appropriate color would make a killer badge for something...

(Even though the SKULLFAIL board it was on sucked!)

 

[Idontcare]

(Even though the SKULLFAIL board it was on sucked!)

Somewhere out there is a frenchman crying gently into the night...

 

[aigomorla]

Somewhere out there is a frenchman crying gently into the night...

ROFL... you mean Dr. Who?

 

[Idontcare]

who else 😛

 

[ing0c0]

Then we don't have to be talking about it anymore. If it's an ES, it's not supposed to be sold or bought.

Here's a question:

If it is known that all ES are not suppose to be sold or bought, then why is it that such places like eBay let their members sell them?

 

[jvroig]

I don't think it matters what a company/place like eBay does in this case. You've heard the official word from the owners themselves (Intel). That they hadn't cracked down on it doesn't change the fact that it is illegal.

I personally wouldn't buy one myself, but I'm certainly in no position to impose my beliefs on you (and wouldn't dream of it), and perhaps someone else here can give you a better answer. If you can get one for a good deal, there's certainly nothing stopping you now from getting it.

 

[Gillbot]

Here's a question:

If it is known that all ES are not suppose to be sold or bought, then why is it that such places like eBay let their members sell them?

Often, companies prefer that a sale be completed because it provides them with evidence against the seller. You can talk about committing a crime, but until you actually do, you can't be prosecuted.