Macheads, why won't Panther recognize my drive?

[MercenaryForHire]

Blue & White G3, rev1.
Drive is a 10GB Seagate.
I'm trying to do a fresh install of X on a blank drive. None of this "migration" bull.

I'm about to go Ninja-Style and Flip Out (TM) on this piece of crap. I've tried everything including partitioning it into <8GB sizes, even though the B&amp;W isn't supposed to need it. I'm doing a Write Zeroes right now to erase any potential remnants as it was used in a PC previously.

When I get to the "Select Destination" part of the installer, I just get a nice blank window on the right. :|

- M4H

 

[imported_Phil]

Tried using Darwin to format &amp; partition the drive? Google for PearPC and follow the instructions, should work fine on a real Mac.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Dopefiend
Tried using Darwin to format &amp; partition the drive? Google for PearPC and follow the instructions, should work fine on a real Mac.

From what PearPC shows me, I need to get a Darwin distro (bootable) CD and use that to partition manually, then relaunch the X installer?

There's gotta be some other way. What about an Apple user who buys a bigger hard drive? How do they do it?

- M4H

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Dopefiend
Tried using Darwin to format &amp; partition the drive? Google for PearPC and follow the instructions, should work fine on a real Mac.

From what PearPC shows me, I need to get a Darwin distro (bootable) CD and use that to partition manually, then relaunch the X installer?

There's gotta be some other way. What about an Apple user who buys a bigger hard drive? How do they do it?

- M4H

:shrug;

Don't worry about it, once you have the CD it takes literally no time to partition &amp; format.
But that's the only reliable way I know of doing it when X Installer won't recognise the disc.

Good luck :beer:

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Dopefiend
Tried using Darwin to format &amp; partition the drive? Google for PearPC and follow the instructions, should work fine on a real Mac.

From what PearPC shows me, I need to get a Darwin distro (bootable) CD and use that to partition manually, then relaunch the X installer?

There's gotta be some other way. What about an Apple user who buys a bigger hard drive? How do they do it?

- M4H

:shrug;

Don't worry about it, once you have the CD it takes literally no time to partition &amp; format.
But that's the only reliable way I know of doing it when X Installer won't recognise the disc.

Good luck :beer:

No wonder people hate Macs. If that was a damned PC, I'd be able to slap XP in, boot off it, and blow away the existing partitions in a heartbeat.

Downloading OpenDarwin 7.2.1, but there's no instructions for how to manually create the partitions.

- M4H

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Dopefiend

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Dopefiend
Tried using Darwin to format &amp; partition the drive? Google for PearPC and follow the instructions, should work fine on a real Mac.

From what PearPC shows me, I need to get a Darwin distro (bootable) CD and use that to partition manually, then relaunch the X installer?

There's gotta be some other way. What about an Apple user who buys a bigger hard drive? How do they do it?

- M4H

:shrug;

Don't worry about it, once you have the CD it takes literally no time to partition &amp; format.
But that's the only reliable way I know of doing it when X Installer won't recognise the disc.

Good luck :beer:

No wonder people hate Macs. If that was a damned PC, I'd be able to slap XP in, boot off it, and blow away the existing partitions in a heartbeat.

Downloading OpenDarwin 7.2.1, but there's no instructions for how to manually create the partitions.

- M4H

True that. Follow the directions on PearPC, the concept is exactly the same. :beer:

 

[Childs]

Out of curiosity, what happens if you try a different drive? Popping in hard drives are not usually a problem in Panther. One thing I realized when I started using Macs as that the answer is usually really simple. Too simple in fact, and PC users who are used to thinking about complex solutions often miss the simple ones. It still gets me from time to time.

Was this Mac working before and nothing changed or is this a different drive? Is it jumpered for cable select, single, master? Position on the cable? You shouldn't have to zero out the drive for long. Just a few seconds, as that would destroy the partition and from there you should be able to initialize it.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Childs
Out of curiosity, what happens if you try a different drive? Popping in hard drives are not usually a problem in Panther. One thing I realized when I started using Macs as that the answer is usually really simple. Too simple in fact, and PC users who are used to thinking about complex solutions often miss the simple ones. It still gets me from time to time.

Was this Mac working before and nothing changed or is this a different drive? Is it jumpered for cable select, single, master? Position on the cable? You shouldn't have to zero out the drive for long. Just a few seconds, as that would destroy the partition and from there you should be able to initialize it.

Brand new drive. The old one's a 40GB Maxtor running Jag, and I want to keep that intact just in case something dumb like, say, Panther not installing, happens.

Jumpered as Master, only device on the cable since it's a single-port, and it's not that it won't/can't initialize - it's that the damned installer just doesn't see it. It's not even "there and greyed out" - it's just not bloody there.

I've got both drives in the Mac right now, and I'm doing a disk-to-disk image. Hopefully Panther will pick up the installation and at least give me the option to blow it away.

- M4H

 

[ViRGE]

Are you sure you don't have one of the "upgrade" discs for Panther? Your problem matches the criteria that someone would encounter if they try to do a fresh install with an upgrade disc instead of a full install disc.

 

[addragyn]

Does Disc Utility on the install disc find the drive?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

again.

After determining that Jaguar's "Disk Copy" was unable to go from DMG -> disk, I fired up the Panther installer with both HDDs connected - since "Disk Utility" can do that, according to Google.

Lo and behold, both are now seen as potential destinations. I select the blank drive, and it merrily tells me that I can do a fresh install with no need to upgrade.

I power down, remove the Jaguar (40GB) drive and set it up with the DVD and HDD on the same chain.

Presto. 10GB drive found, Panther now installing.



- M4H

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Whee! I knew it couldn't possibly just be that easy!

With Panther "installed" I reboot. "You need to restart your computer" screen is all I get in boot.

Reenter the Installer - and whaddya know, absolutely NOTHING for the installation options!

/me goes to look for Mac disk-cloning software

:|

- M4H

 

[Childs]

How did you come across a new 10GB drive? Are you sure that drive is any good? Can you have a standalone XP install on it? Or Linux?

Also, what happens if you hold down OPTION while booting? If you are in the Bay Area I'll bring over a drive! Don't like to hear people bashing Panther.

 

[Dennis Travis]

Just wondering, since you said it was a Rev 1 G3 B&amp;W, They had a flaky HDD controler which Rev 2 took care of. Only thing I do remember is the problem was with Two Hdd's conntected or larger hard drives. You have a 40GB working with Jaguar so it would make it seem like that is not the problem but could there be a chance the Rev 1 controler has issues with that 10GB drive? It's possible. I know I was warned by long time Mac friends to avoid the Rev 1 G3 B&amp;W for that reason.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Childs
How did you come across a new 10GB drive? Are you sure that drive is any good? Can you have a standalone XP install on it? Or Linux?

"New" as in "New to the Mac" - it's previously been chewing up data in my XP rig. I ran a pass of Seatools over it as well and it checked out clean.

Also, what happens if you hold down OPTION while booting?

That's a good question. Which one is Option on the PC keyboard?

If you are in the Bay Area I'll bring over a drive! Don't like to hear people bashing Panther.

If by "Bay Area" you mean "Northern Canada" then come on over.

Right now I'm trying to use Carbon Copy Cloner to dupe the drives. Supposedly if I use the psync package with that, I can make a complete copy - resource forks, hidden BSD directories, bootable and all. I tried already but didn't do the "Synchronize Drive" thing - that might have been the downfall, so hopefully this time it works.

- M4H

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Dennis Travis
Just wondering, since you said it was a Rev 1 G3 B&amp;W, They had a flaky HDD controler which Rev 2 took care of. Only thing I do remember is the problem was with Two Hdd's conntected or larger hard drives. You have a 40GB working with Jaguar so it would make it seem like that is not the problem but could there be a chance the Rev 1 controler has issues with that 10GB drive? It's possible. I know I was warned by long time Mac friends to avoid the Rev 1 G3 B&amp;W for that reason.

Hmm. I did hear about that, but thought that was limited to more than one HDD on the same cable, and in that case it pooched the slave.

Strange that it would only take offense to the 10GB though if that's not the case.

CCC failed - I got the "You need to restart" error trying to boot from the destination drive. There's gotta be something I'm missing - there's no possible way that swapping to a "new hard drive" should be this difficult.

- M4H

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

That's a good question. Which one is Option on the PC keyboard?

I believe its ALT. The Open Apple is the Windows Key, and CTRL is CTRL.

If by "Bay Area" you mean "Northern Canada" then come on over.

Right now I'm trying to use Carbon Copy Cloner to dupe the drives. Supposedly if I use the psync package with that, I can make a complete copy - resource forks, hidden BSD directories, bootable and all. I tried already but didn't do the "Synchronize Drive" thing - that might have been the downfall, so hopefully this time it works.

- M4H

Thats a little bit farther than I'm will to go to prove Panther can install on a 10GB drive! If Carbon Copy Cloner doesn't work, maybe try another spare HD if you have it?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Childs
Thats a little bit farther than I'm will to go to prove Panther can install on a 10GB drive! If Carbon Copy Cloner doesn't work, maybe try another spare HD if you have it?

Yep, I've got 'em in spades kicking around - thing is, the whole motivation for this whole drive-swap mess is that I don't want to burn up the 40GB of storage in the G3, since I'll never use that much just screwing with X. Certainly wouldn't be the apocalypse if I had to have the Maxtor stick around the G3 - just not what I'd like best.

Compatibility database at XLR8 seems to say that Seagates are in the liked-brands for Macs, so I'm not sure what would cause this. I know the drive's good.

CCC didn't work, sadly. I made a post over at their forums - hopefully the gurus there will be able to de-noobify me and point out the (likely glaringly obvious) checkbox or setting I'm missing.

- M4H

 

[Dennis Travis]

Any luck getting the 10GB Seagate working? Did a lot of googling on the net and you are basically correct about the Rev 1. It's usually with 2 drives but there were a few cases I found where the person had trouble with data corruption with just one HDD attached! Who knows.

 

[Dennis Travis]

I have an old G4 Yikes! that was basically a G3 board with G4 on it in a G4 case. It has a 10Gig drive as the secondary. Going to check to see what brand it is for the heck of it.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Dennis Travis
Any luck getting the 10GB Seagate working? Did a lot of googling on the net and you are basically correct about the Rev 1. It's usually with 2 drives but there were a few cases I found where the person had trouble with data corruption with just one HDD attached! Who knows.

No such luck - mind you, I quit trying around 10:30 and went to play Halo 2 MP.

- M4H

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Hi M4H,

Have you tried posting in the Apple Discussions?
I am pretty sure someone can help you out there.

Good Luck!

 

[imported_Phil]

Have you tried the Darwin CD yet?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Dopefiend
Have you tried the Darwin CD yet?

Nope, I've got it booting off the 10GB now.

However, Apple has seen fit to introduce further idiocy. It will only boot when it's on the secondary IDE controller. Primary causes a kernel panic on boot. Furthermore, if the DVD/ZIP drives are connected to primary IDE, it hangs at the grey Apple logo.

- M4H