LoL. How about upgrading to newer hw standards, which most PC makers already support? So, go buy a PCIe card or HD with NCQ and let me know how it goes. LoL
LoL. How about upgrading to newer hw standards, which most PC makers already support? So, go buy a PCIe card or HD with NCQ and let me know how it goes. LoL
Stuck with a processor? I can upgrade my Powermac G4 to Dual 1.7GHz G4's if I wanted to. And please elaborate with this "Apple doesn't support new technologies." And there is no limited upgrade path. Everything in my G4 is upgradeable.
And that link that showed the G5's losing on every test was in 3D gaming. Gaming was never intended for Mac.
How many devices use Firewire 800? I sure don't have any.
And at least if you go x86, you a choice in processors beforehand. If you buy a Mac, it's not like you can buy a competitors chipset and proc.
But the point is, with a Mac, you have far fewer options for hardware than with x86 machines. You can't argue that, so quit trying.
Tell me this...I noticed the G5 isn't on any list for winning rendering tests and benchmarks. So...again, if you're not into software that's limited to OSx, why would you want a Mac? It can't perform as well as an x86 machine for half the cost. Simple.
As a matter of fact, I can argue it. Like I said, I can upgrade everything in my G4. I own one, I should know.
If you cared to actually click the link, the G5's won some tests. Link
And software isnt limited on the Mac. What is your argument there, that Bloomberg doesn't support Mac? Or "There is no CAD for Mac."?
No, I don't have any Firewire 800 devices because hardly anyone uses that for digital cameras, or other peripheral devices, at least not yet.
Yeah, you can upgrade to a slightly faster proc, but it's lightyears better. On my first build, I went from 2.4b to a 3.4e with HT, using the same MB. That's a big difference. Can't do that with a Mac, LoL.
People uses FireWire 800 for Storage devices. A lot faster than USB 2.0
I can upgade my G4 from 400mhz to Dual 1.7Ghz G4's with Altivec of course.
I never cared for a company who had to rely on visual aesthetics and platform bashing advertising to sell their product. Only defense Mac users can make is the machines that have been made in the last 5-6 years. Mac OSX is hardware limited unlike other x86 OS's and instead of patching or service packs, OSX uses newer revisions and forces new users to pay for these. There is 1 version of MS XP, you can download the 2 service packs for FREE. OSX has had several revisions and some of these force their users to do a full install to take advantage of their upgrade. I have a nice 9500/150 with a G3 500mhz processor and 1GB of ram but can't use OSX or even OS 9.2 because the hardware isn't supported or even welcome anymore. MS XP runs fine on my 450 MHz AMD K6 which is 6 years old. MS XP didn't force me to buy a new computer so I could be like everyone else or tell me I'm out of luck and have to us Windows 98 because I am not an important target customer anymore. OSX might be nice now but the history of it and the past tactics of Macintosh make me sick.
OK, so you're telling me that you have as many hw options as x86? You are so full of it. Go back to drawing in Photoshop.
Oh, and I looked at your link. The only benches it did good in are optimized for Macs. You'll have to do better. How about something else?
Updating from 10.3 to 10.3.1 10.3.2 10.3.3 10.3.4 AND SO ON are all free. All the updates for OS X were free. A new OS is what you are paying for, not updates.
Name some software that won't run on the Mac that runs on the PC. If the software isn't for Mac, there is a substitute. Same thing applies to PC.
Read the writing after the benchmarks. You will see all the PC's and Mac's were configured pretty much the same.
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Therein lies the whole chicken and egg syndrome. If I cant support FW 800 why would I buy FW 800 devices? But if I cant buy FW 800 devices, where is the incentive to make them?
The problem is we dont need FW 800. FW and USB 2.0 are more than faste enough to move data from external HD's and get video from a camcorder. And I'll be damned if I run Gigabit ethernet through a FW or USB device. The good old RJ45 connector still has plenty to offer the world.
As for upgrades: once again the closed-minded Mac person just cant see the possibilities of being free.
I can move from a Slot A to a Socket A to Socket 754 to Socket 939 and still keep a majority of my hardware and software. Hell, even in the Socket A world, I can move from a Duron, to an Athlon B, to a Thunderbird, to a low-end Athlon XP, to a high-end Athlon XP and all with the same motherboard! You could also do the same thing with Intel if you were smart enough to avoid RAMBUS.
But to make those jumps in the Mac world you would need to go through several major platform changes. This is even worse when you consider that Apple hardware averages to be more expensive than the x86 stuff.
As for software, I could make any of the above systems work on Win2000. Office 2000 would also work fine. As well as many versions of your favorite photo and video suites.
Like n0cmonkey was pointing out earlier, a technology that PC motherboards do not support is FireWire 800.
And are you saying in order to upgrade my Processor in my Mac, I have to go through sever major platform changes? I can upgrade the processor in my G4 and keep all the software and hardware in it. I dont have to change anything at all.
Buy a Mac, use it for a year, sell it for 80% of original cost, and buy a new one. You'll spend about the same on hardware in the long run.
As did XP service packs. Only 2 service packs rather than several revisions. I tried loading MS XP on a 133mhz Pentium for the fun of it, not enough ram. An actual hardware limitation rather than a marketing ploy.
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Like I JUST SAID earlier, FW 800 is very neat and not much else. (A Mac lovers dream). And thats still only on the MOTHERBOARDS! Nowhere else. Plenty of PCI cards makes this a silly argument.
And noone said anything about upgrading JUST your CPU. Yes, you can upgrade your G4 933 to a G4 1500. And thats it, no more. You completely ignored the point I was making about moving up several generations in the AMD world, and only having to change CPU's and maybe MB's once in a while.
As is often the case when I discuss the topic, the Mac proponent either dazzles us with ignorance or fights reality so hard its almost painful.
And before the next argument starts, I did own a mac just long enough to experience all the things I dislike about them.
Major new features are a good enough reason for releasing a new OS. XP's sp2 updates were hardly enough to be considered major, IMO.
Uh, how exactly is Firewire 800 not supported on PC? A quick check on Newegg reveals a couple of Asus 925X chipset boards with built-in 1394b, not to mention the ENTIRE current Gigabyte lineup of LGA775 P4 and Athlon 64 boards.
The big hangup on the PC side is that you need a 64-bit PCI slot to get an add-in Firewire 800 card running at full speed, but the conversion to PCIe should make it a lot easier to add Firewire 800 cards to PCs in the future.
The big hangup on the PC side is that you need a 64-bit PCI slot to get an add-in Firewire 800 card running at full speed, but the conversion to PCIe should make it a lot easier to add Firewire 800 cards to PCs in the future.
As much as I dont want to give add an OT post to this thread, PLEASE stop the quote pyramids. Cite only the text relevant to your post.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Even in your OSX, there is hardware limitations as some platforms can only use 10.2.8 or less. I still haven't found a valid argument on the hardware limitations as XP only has physical limitations.
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