Mac vs PC argument

[fleshconsumed]

Yeah Ikea bedroom closet shelving set but this particular version has been discontinued.

Ahhhh, thanks, they look kind of neat, but I don't remember seeing those at Ikea ever, guess that's why.

 

[destrekor]

Apple's higher end video cards perform worse than their Windows PC counterparts on the same games.

There are a lot of variables there to consider.

But it makes sense, ultimately. Many games might have had DirectX as lead, and were ported to OpenGL for Mac (and maybe Linux).

And I've never really heard reports of outstanding performance for games on *nix when compared to Windows, so there might be a trend. Perhaps it is just less-optimized drivers, perhaps it is an OS-level thing, likely a combination of many variables.

The Windows kernel and drivers have been optimized extensively, Microsoft having worked with developers for decades, and focusing on courting developers by improving the platform for games.

There used to be a strong game market on Mac, but it definitely shifted over the years. At a time the Mac was often a lead platform.

Times have changed, and Microsoft has made major headway and really tightened things up.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

I like scratches and dents on everything. It lowers the cost without decreasing the value. I wouldn't use an Idevice if you gave it to me. I'd consider a Mac If I changed the O/S, and my use didn't put money in Apple's pocket.

Why do I get the feeling you like yur women the same way?

 

[Oyeve]

In my 30 years in IT Apple has never made a dent in all my jobs. Hell, the user base for mac comps is the same as it was 20 years ago. Hell, theres more XP users than mac.


Desktop/Laptop operating system browsing statistics

Windows 7
52.96%

Windows 8.x  
17.25%

Windows XP  
9.7%

OS X  
8.1%

Windows 10[5]  
6.27%

Windows Vista  
1.93%

Linux  
1.50%

Other  
2.10%

Desktop OS market share according to Statcounter for week 19-25 Aug 2015[6]

 

[Nebor]

Apple's higher end video cards perform worse than their Windows PC counterparts on the same games.

The highest end gaming video card I've ever seen in a Mac was a midrange (GTX960 equivelent.) Obviously I'd be willing to take a substantial performance hit (20-40%) in exchange for the other benefits of the Mac, but at least let me start off with a GTX980 before it's hobbled by OSX, ya know?

 

[BurnItDwn]

Why do I get the feeling you like yur women the same way?

It gives her character!

 

[lxskllr]

Why do I get the feeling you like yur women the same way?

Probably. I like women that can do things, and aren't afraid to try. I don't like hearing "I can't", or have them assume a task is someone else's job because that's the way it's always been.

 

[quikah]

iTunes has pretty much soured me on all things Apple. Trying to help my wife with her iPad is an exercise in furstration half the time as I spend 10-15 minutes trying to figure out how to use itunes.

Also I cannot use ipads. It is weird, for some reason the touch targets feel like they are half a cm off for me. I try to tap a link and I always miss. I have never had this problem in android/windows tablets/phones.

 

[IronWing]

iTunes has pretty much soured me on all things Apple. Trying to help my wife with her iPad is an exercise in furstration half the time as I spend 10-15 minutes trying to figure out how to use itunes.

Don't worry, Apple will change the interface again in the next update.

 

[Nebor]

Don't worry, Apple will change the interface again in the next update.

iTunes for Windows is baffling.

 

[Rakehellion]

a $100 item in good shape vs a $90 item in mediocre shape ... it might be worth the $10 price premium.

Seems to me like you'd never want to pay a price premium an always buy slightly dinged goods.

 

[IronWing]

iTunes for Windows is baffling.

I think retarded is a better description. Just put everything in playlists and it works out.

 

[Rakehellion]

There are a lot of variables there to consider.

But it makes sense, ultimately. Many games might have had DirectX as lead, and were ported to OpenGL for Mac (and maybe Linux).

And I've never really heard reports of outstanding performance for games on *nix when compared to Windows, so there might be a trend. Perhaps it is just less-optimized drivers, perhaps it is an OS-level thing, likely a combination of many variables.

The Windows kernel and drivers have been optimized extensively, Microsoft having worked with developers for decades, and focusing on courting developers by improving the platform for games.

There used to be a strong game market on Mac, but it definitely shifted over the years. At a time the Mac was often a lead platform.

Times have changed, and Microsoft has made major headway and really tightened things up.

Most of it is Nvidia, The Graphics Mafia, wanting their products to excel in a way that'll make them more money. Your OS and your game developer can only optimize so much.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Imac's are just junk imo, I have one at work and it's frustrating to use and has failed three times in three years requiring repairs. Plus why on earth are their ports at the back, it's just ridiculous. I don't even think they're that well made, they kinda look cheap.

But I like their laptops. They are well made and IMO not really more expensive than their competitors.

Iphones.....don't care either way. They're ok.

 

[Eug]

I got an iMac as a replacement for a defective one. It was an 4 GB model, in which I added 4 GB of aftermarket RAM, to bring it to 8 GB, all memory slots used.

The iMac I got was a newer model, and they let me keep my old hard drive, my old mouse, and my old keyboard. And when they gave me the new one, they gave me 2 x 4 GB, leaving me two empty memory slots, even though at the time 2 x 4 GB was a lot more expensive than 4 x 2 GB. And they gave me a new set of Bluetooth keyboard and mouse too.

I have been using that newer model since 2010.

 

[ninaholic37]

people who bash apple are the same people who bash handicapped access.

How did you even connect these two things? *mind blown*

 

[MongGrel]

NM.

 

[brianmanahan]

oh look, a rakehellion thread attempting to stir up a heated debate by sharing a purposely-ambiguous viewpoint on a subject that people feel strongly about

 

[sdifox]

How did you even connect these two things? *mind blown*

all Apple users are handicapped :biggrin:

 

[irishScott]

For 99% of average users in the world, Mac vs PC makes no difference when all they click on is Chrome/Safari for surfing, email, productivity, etc.

This. Honestly most people would be well served by a Chromebook.

 

[DigDog]

take this easy questionnaire to find out if you are a PC person or a Mac person:

question 1: do you think that a Mac is a good computer?
Yes: Congratulations! You are a Mac person and should buy a Mac as soon as possible.
No: Damn. You are a PC person and should build yourself a PC; when you got time.

 

[Nebor]

This. Honestly most people would be well served by a Chromebook.

I don't think a Chromebook is powerful enough for some users though. I sometimes have up to 10 tabs open at a time on google chrome, so I always go for a top end i7 (just short of the extremes) and 16gb of memory.

 

[destrekor]

Most of it is Nvidia, The Graphics Mafia, wanting their products to excel in a way that'll make them more money. Your OS and your game developer can only optimize so much.

If you haven't followed performance benchmarks of various OS versions over the years, I guess you missed that OS optimizations can make a significant difference. Especially if the way the display is linked to the kernel is radically different.

Almost all operating systems use a certain approach to the display model and window server/manager, based around the ancient X Windows concept in some fashion or another.

Yes, many variations exist, Android uses a custom window manager, Wayland is a new competitor, and there are goals to improve X to allow direct framebuffer access and GUI presentation without interacting with the display server.

OS X and iOS basically draw frames as PDF in the framebuffer, as a compromise to the concept of Display PostScript used in NeXTSTEP, which helps significantly with print matching and other rendering functions... reasons why Apple (and NeXT before it) is a major player in the art and printing markets.

Windows, I think, has the most efficient system when it comes to games. There are advantages for the other systems, but I think there are performance penalties. I don't think there is anything resembling a display server within Windows, likely a product of Windows being so radically different from Unix-like systems.

Plus the other reasons I mentioned.

Nvidia may play a heavy hand, but all they want is their products to look good. They make Linux and Mac drivers. And film rendering and CUDA/OpenCL coding on such platforms is a major source of revenue (through the professional GPU market).

 

[destrekor]

I don't think a Chromebook is powerful enough for some users though. I sometimes have up to 10 tabs open at a time on google chrome, so I always go for a top end i7 (just short of the extremes) and 16gb of memory.

10 Tabs? GASP

I wonder what you think of the 30-50+ I often have open.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I don't think a Chromebook is powerful enough for some users though. I sometimes have up to 10 tabs open at a time on google chrome, so I always go for a top end i7 (just short of the extremes) and 16gb of memory.

It's hilarious that you think "10 tabs" requires an i7 and 16 gb of RAM.