Mac, the most secure notebook on the market...

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: Platypus
If apple bashers spent 5 seconds researching and/or actually using their products they'd realize that it's just another option in computing with both strengths and weaknesses. The same can be said for windows bashers, etc, etc.

Why is it so hard for people to just accept that every OS and platform has both good and bad things about it and they just need to choose the right tool for the right job? Zealots are fucking pathetic and have no business in computers if their blind hatred for something clouds their judgement.

Lol, How does hating a certain product or brand suddenly make someone unable to make decisions in the computer industry? Maybe there is a good reason I hate apple branded stuff, did you ever weigh that in? Blind defense of a company is just as bad as blind hatred of it.

and yes, there are several reasons I can list for disliking apple. Good Objective reasons mind you. Can you give me good objective reasons to defend apple?

Um, seriously re-read what I said. I'm not blindly defending a company, I'm taking the proper neutral stance in this case. Hating a certain product or brand in this case will cause you to make an uninformed decision. Let's say you need to buy a server but you hate Sun... but their product has the best performance at the best cost. You decide to go with IBM and end up with a higher cost and less performance. That's just one generic case of what I'm talking about. I see this CONSTANTLY in enterprise environments and it's just ridiculous.

What specific reason do you hate Apple products? Hating their user base or their marketing is not a valid answer.

The crux of my point is, every OS and platform out there has strengths and weaknesses.. if it doesn't work for you then don't use it, but don't talk shit about it with a smug attitude because you think you're above it... and don't buy into marketing FUD. Judge a products worth by it's real world application. An absolutely perfect case of this is the user in this thread that said he hates apple because itunes sucks and he wants control over his ipod. Had he spent 5 seconds on google he would have found multiple alternatives. My post was not just directed at you OP.

Fine, I can see where you are coming from.

Specific reasons for disliking apple.
* Dishonest marketing. I'm sorry if that doesn't qualify for you, but for me, I really hate companies that publicly advocate dishonesty.
* Price. Most apple products (not all) are over priced. It is easy to prove by just looking at comparable PCs. And there is little reason for it. Apple doesn't have products that are vastly superior or anything, they just have more expensive products.

Those are the two main reasons for me hating macs. Reasons I would never get a mac (And not necessarily something that apple is doing wrong, IE not something to get angry over).

* There is far less software for the mac operating system.
* Mac is just a unix variant, If I want a *nix environment I'll just go with Linux.
* IMO the mac interface is not better/easier to use then any other interface. So where is the benefit?

I can see why fanboyism is annoying, believe me, I've seen it first hand from people defending intel products over AMD products (When AMD offered a better price/performance in the K7/K8 era) and when Intel began producing better products then amd (The Core2 era). It is annoying as no reason can break through to them. (And whats worse, they will literally go into a state of denial when proven wrong).

I just can't see a good reason to choose a mac over a PC, hence I can't see what sort of place they can really have in the market.

:thumbsup:

The one thing that really ties me to Mac at this point is the software suite called Logic. It's light years ahead of anything I can run on Windows except ProTools. I might actually install OSX on my PC and run it there.

 

[KeithP]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: DnetMHZ
Welcome to 6 months ago..

Meh, it showed up on digg in the last 24 hours.

You are not helping yourself with that statement.

Does Apple actually say their notebook is the most secure on the market?

-KeithP

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
You know, I slapped an Apple sticker over the Dell logo on my laptop (because I was angry with Dell's outsourced tech support), and it was faster, more powerful and significantly cheaper than a comparable Apple laptop.

So, I got the entire "Apple Experience" with more power, functionality and at half the price. :thumbsup:

my i-vtec sticker makes my laptop fast, yo

Originally posted by: effowe

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Why build a Hackintosh (with the extra effort) rather than just pick up a PC? I'm really not trying to trash talk Apple, while it's not for my uses, I can completely understand the segment of the market that buys Apple (minus paying the extra $$ for the Apple name).

The point was that if you want control over your hardware, you can still use OSX and not have to be tied down to the overpriced Apple Hardware.

what's the point of using OS X if you dont have the fancy white laptop to show off at a coffee shop? seriously, windows does everything os x can but better, AND is compatible with anything

You've never done any development, have you?
OSX is far, far superior if you need to work with open source libraries for any sort of coding. The only option on windows is cygwin to my knowledge and setting that up is a huge mess.

LOL, seriously, Have YOU ever done any development? I've set up cygwin before, it requires like 2 clicks to select the packages you want, and you're done. And it isn't your only option, you have Mingw environments that are fairly good at compiling just about any Open source library that you would want to use. Not to mention the vast amounts of IDE's available to windows for development. (Code::blocks, Eclipse, MS Studios, Netbeans, Just to name a few).

Sure, With mingW you aren't going to do any X11 development, however, the amount of users that actually deal with that are extremely small. If you want OpenSSL, zlib, libpng, gtk, QT, you can compile it with mingw.

 

[krylon]

Old post is old. OP fail.

March 18, 2009 12:00 PM ET

 

[AstroManLuca]

I'm not a power user at all. I use Windows because I can build my own computer and that means much lower cost. Macs are overpriced, period.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: Crono
I never understood why people are so vehement about expressing their hate for Apple.

Because people like to express their own opinion(s)?

I can't find a single freaking reason - none whatsoever - that I should even consider using an Apple computer. Its UI is (IMO) hideous, the UI for changing settings and etc are all extremely frustrating for me to use. I'm used to Windows, I know Windows, I know how to manipulate Windows, and I know how to change settings within Windows that Microsoft doesn't want users to change. If I come across something that I don't know in an MS app, I just use google or support.microsoft.com, and I've found the answer quickly. Not so with Apple -- I've spent hours and hours trying to resolve problems caused by users that are just trying to work. Problems that I would have been able to resolve in minutes on a Windows system, or less.

I own an iPod, but I hate the infernal thing on front that you screw with in order to make it do anything.

That said, I know that there are a few areas in which Apple is preferred. None of them apply to me. I therefore have no problems with voicing my vitriolic hatred for that godforsaken company.

And given OSX is Unix with BSD on top you'd probably be just as frustrated with Linux. It's just stuff you're not familiar with, and just because some people think it's cool to hate on Apple, you can join right in. You might as well go and insult Linux too and the millions of web servers powered on Linux.

dunno what you're smoking, but everyone i talk to at my work bitches about windoze and how they wish they had a mac, etc...

Well there's different crowds. There's the

1) I'm dumb with computers and Windoze is stupid. Vista is retarded. WTF. I hear about BSODs too, so I think Wind0ze sucks. Why not give me a Mac? My computer sucks but I don't know that it's because my network can't really handle me trying to edit a 300mb excel file. It's the network struggling in reality not Wind0ze, but because it looks like it's locking up, I'll blame Wind0ze. GET ME A MAC NOW. Or... OMG THE iPHONE IS SO SEXY. IVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. Forget that the Omnia HD, the Touch Pro 2, Touch Diamond, G1, Nokia 5800, Nokia N95, etc etc etc all pwnz0r the iPhone in features, the iPhone is so cool because I'm a dumb bimbo who's never seen real phones because in the US all we have are carrier offered phones.

2) Dude I play games. War3, warcraft3, TF2, Assassins Creed, whatever. I buy Dell XPS. I want to do some overclocking. I just want to set it and forget it and I want my GTX 295. I'm not going to stress test, I'm not going to find out my FSB limit, my RAM limit, my CPU limit, my Uncore limit, etc. I'm just going to set it like that next cool guy has it set at and I want +33% performance. Macs suck cuz you can't do this.

3) I'm somewhat computer saavy. I do some ocing, I do some gaming, I do some coding and graphics editing. Web development, blah blah. I don't really use Linux but I think that's all unnecessary. I overclock a bit, I build my own systems, those guys who love Macs really are stupid because they're part of Group #1. This is why Macs suck. They are all used by people from Group #1. Forget Group #4, they're a minority. Group #1 is what populates the Apple store. Apple ads? Dumb. This is why Apple sucks. They cater to Group #1. Thus it sucks.

4) Well come to think of it you can do almost everything you need to do on a Mac. If you surf, nef, chat, word process, graphics edit, do some development work, you can do it on a Mac OR PC. It's just what you prefer. If you started with PC, chances are you will stick to it. Nothing wrong with either.

If you really learn about Macs and what they can be used for and if you honestly try to take a more unbiased approach, a lot of you will end up with group #4.

Let's ask right now, WHAT THE HELL do you need to do that you can't do on a Mac? Seriously. Besides gaming. You guys are all neffing. Can't you do that on a Mac?

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: KeithP

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: DnetMHZ
Welcome to 6 months ago..

Meh, it showed up on digg in the last 24 hours.

You are not helping yourself with that statement.

Does Apple actually say their notebook is the most secure on the market?

-KeithP

http://www.apple.com/getamac/whymac/

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: halik

You've never done any development, have you?
OSX is far, far superior if you need to work with open source libraries for any sort of coding. The only option on windows is cygwin to my knowledge and setting that up is a huge mess.

Also there's still no real implementation of virtual desktops on windows, that little MS powertoy is crap. Another thing, dragging files into a folder doesn't open it when you hover over the folder icon, so if you're trying to drop it 2 levels deep, you're sol.

Real developers use notepad.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I'm not a power user at all. I use Windows because I can build my own computer and that means much lower cost. Macs are overpriced, period.

They are overpriced but so are Falcon Northwest, Dell XPS, Sager blah blah blah all those premium stuff.

If you buy a Mac WHEN there are discounts like the current iPod discount + student discount, the pricing is relatively competitive. Of course bitching about overpriced goods is just like bitching about Dell's pricing when it's not on sale. What? There's almost always a coupon available on slickdeals? What, they almost always have a promotion like $300 off, free ram upgrade or whatever? If you somehow manage to buy at the wrong time, then you're just like buying a regularly priced Mac.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: Crono
I never understood why people are so vehement about expressing their hate for Apple.

Because people like to express their own opinion(s)?

I can't find a single freaking reason - none whatsoever - that I should even consider using an Apple computer. Its UI is (IMO) hideous, the UI for changing settings and etc are all extremely frustrating for me to use. I'm used to Windows, I know Windows, I know how to manipulate Windows, and I know how to change settings within Windows that Microsoft doesn't want users to change. If I come across something that I don't know in an MS app, I just use google or support.microsoft.com, and I've found the answer quickly. Not so with Apple -- I've spent hours and hours trying to resolve problems caused by users that are just trying to work. Problems that I would have been able to resolve in minutes on a Windows system, or less.

I own an iPod, but I hate the infernal thing on front that you screw with in order to make it do anything.

That said, I know that there are a few areas in which Apple is preferred. None of them apply to me. I therefore have no problems with voicing my vitriolic hatred for that godforsaken company.

And given OSX is Unix with BSD on top you'd probably be just as frustrated with Linux. It's just stuff you're not familiar with, and just because some people think it's cool to hate on Apple, you can join right in. You might as well go and insult Linux too and the millions of web servers powered on Linux.

dunno what you're smoking, but everyone i talk to at my work bitches about windoze and how they wish they had a mac, etc...

...
4) Well come to think of it you can do almost everything you need to do on a Mac. If you surf, nef, chat, word process, graphics edit, do some development work, you can do it on a Mac OR PC. It's just what you prefer. If you started with PC, chances are you will stick to it. Nothing wrong with either.

If you really learn about Macs and what they can be used for and if you honestly try to take a more unbiased approach, a lot of you will end up with group #4.

Let's ask right now, WHAT THE HELL do you need to do that you can't do on a Mac? Seriously. Besides gaming. You guys are all neffing. Can't you do that on a Mac?

Can I turn your last question around on you? WHAT THE HELL do you need to do that you can't do on a Windows machine? Seriously? Why should I spend more money on a Mac when I can do everything I want on a PC and at a lower price?

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: effowe
Have all the people saying "OSX isn't for power users" actually extensively used it? Are you aware that it was built upon BSD and you can use a fully functioning Unix Shell? I would think that some of these "Power Users" know this, but it sounds like they don't.

FreeBSD was my second OS experience, the shell in the mac is about the only familiar thing for me

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

You apple'ns really took the big sausauge (with gravy) from Jobs.

If there are two computers both equal in hardware, screen size, etc.. why would you pay a huge premium for one over the other? For an OS and the Apple logo? That OSX must be one hell of a OS to pay double the price over a pc.

Why won't they sell OSX for anyone to use on any computer? So Apple can sell their OS exclusively on their computers and charge our fanboys double what they should have to pay for the hardware. *Jobs zips up his pants after taking a apple fanboy ITA.*

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I'm not a power user at all. I use Windows because I can build my own computer and that means much lower cost. Macs are overpriced, period.

They are overpriced but so are Falcon Northwest, Dell XPS, Sager blah blah blah all those premium stuff.

If you buy a Mac WHEN there are discounts like the current iPod discount + student discount, the pricing is relatively competitive. Of course bitching about overpriced goods is just like bitching about Dell's pricing when it's not on sale. What? There's almost always a coupon available on slickdeals? What, they almost always have a promotion like $300 off, free ram upgrade or whatever? If you somehow manage to buy at the wrong time, then you're just like buying a regularly priced Mac.

Prebuilt PCs are generally a bad deal too, depending on what you want to do with the machine. Macs tend to be more expensive than comparable prebuilt PCs (desktops and laptops), but everything is a bad deal when you're used to DIY like I am.

The best you can hope for with a Mac is a decent deal. Their refurbs are a pretty fair price. Dells et al. are also decent deals, and can possibly be great deals if you wait for coupons or discounts to roll around. But building it yourself is always good because you don't have to buy anything you don't want.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: KeithP

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: DnetMHZ
Welcome to 6 months ago..

Meh, it showed up on digg in the last 24 hours.

You are not helping yourself with that statement.

Does Apple actually say their notebook is the most secure on the market?

-KeithP

http://www.apple.com/getamac/whymac/

you still aren't helping yourself. apple is known for their marketing spiel. but the reality is that botnets and totally infested computers tend to be pc's, not macs. the reality is you posted thinking you'd get a bit of lols laughing at how stupid mac users were but you didn't even check the date of the article you were posting. if you were highlighting ignorance it was only your own, anyone keeping up with internet security heard about this when it first happened after all.

 

[0roo0roo]

more RECENT bug...yes in linux
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...14/critical_linux_bug/
Linux developers have issued a critical update for the open-source OS after researchers uncovered a vulnerability in its kernel that puts most versions built in the past eight years at risk of complete takeover.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: KeithP

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: DnetMHZ
Welcome to 6 months ago..

Meh, it showed up on digg in the last 24 hours.

You are not helping yourself with that statement.

Does Apple actually say their notebook is the most secure on the market?

-KeithP

http://www.apple.com/getamac/whymac/

you still aren't helping yourself. apple is known for their marketing spiel. but the reality is that botnets and totally infested computers tend to be pc's, not macs. the reality is you posted thinking you'd get a bit of lols laughing at how stupid mac users were but you didn't even check the date of the article you were posting. if you were highlighting ignorance it was only your own, anyone keeping up with internet security heard about this when it first happened after all.

The reality is that most computer users tend to be pc's, not macs. If there are more people using the PC, then you will see more PC botnets. Logical, no? Its like saying that more PCs break down every year then macs. Well, of course they do, there are more pc's out there!

Considering that now Mac ads are trying to highlight that they don't get viruses, I think the article is timely (They weren't really marketing that way when this article was release). The fact is, the User is the most insecure part to any pc, regardless the OS, so mac ads that their PCs are more secure are flat out wrong.

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
more RECENT bug...yes in linux
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...14/critical_linux_bug/
Linux developers have issued a critical update for the open-source OS after researchers uncovered a vulnerability in its kernel that puts most versions built in the past eight years at risk of complete takeover.

And that goes on to prove that no OS is really secure.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
You know, I slapped an Apple sticker over the Dell logo on my laptop (because I was angry with Dell's outsourced tech support), and it was faster, more powerful and significantly cheaper than a comparable Apple laptop.

So, I got the entire "Apple Experience" with more power, functionality and at half the price. :thumbsup:

my i-vtec sticker makes my laptop fast, yo

Originally posted by: effowe

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Why build a Hackintosh (with the extra effort) rather than just pick up a PC? I'm really not trying to trash talk Apple, while it's not for my uses, I can completely understand the segment of the market that buys Apple (minus paying the extra $$ for the Apple name).

The point was that if you want control over your hardware, you can still use OSX and not have to be tied down to the overpriced Apple Hardware.

what's the point of using OS X if you dont have the fancy white laptop to show off at a coffee shop? seriously, windows does everything os x can but better, AND is compatible with anything

Windows doesn't have Logic Audio, or anything that's even in the same ball park. Talk to any real music engineer and they will say the same thing. Mac's do have their place in this world. I have just made a point for one thing Mac's do FAR better than Windows, and there's no arguing this. For music producers if you use a PC you're teh n00bs.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
You apple'ns really took the big sausauge (with gravy) from Jobs.

If there are two computers both equal in hardware, screen size, etc.. why would you pay a huge premium for one over the other? For an OS and the Apple logo? That OSX must be one hell of a OS to pay double the price over a pc.

Why won't they sell OSX for anyone to use on any computer? So Apple can sell their OS exclusively on their computers and charge our fanboys double what they should have to pay for the hardware. *Jobs zips up his pants after taking a apple fanboy ITA.*

They don't want to support OSX for all the hardware options like Windows does.
The reason Apple's OS is more stable is because they limit themselves very much in terms of the hardware and software. If Microsoft took the narrow focus of Apple, Windows would be just as pretty and secure, but that's not the goal of Microsoft. Which is why OSX still only holds a small percentage of the market, and Windows holds the lion's share. And that's exactly how it's supposed to be and pretty much fitting with the respective companies' approaches to development and marketing.

The fact remains that Mac OS is good for many, but Windows is the dominant OS and quite necessary at the moment for many individuals and businesses. If Apple wants to be the big player they need to widen their scope, but I doubt they want to do that.

The bottom line is that people should use whatever OS and hardware meets their needs at whatever price they can afford. As always, pragmatism rules supreme when it comes to technology.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: halik
...
OSX is far, far superior if you need to work with open source libraries for any sort of coding.

huh? wtf are you smoking? I'm involved in dozens of open sourced projects on windows and never touched cygwin. The free IDE's alone available for windows blow anything on OSX out of the water.

 

[krylon]

Oh, and repost.

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=38&threadid=2287748

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
F* apple. Itunes sucks also. I bought the freaking ipod let me have control of it you f*ing aholes.

You can do whatever you want to your iPod, Apple just doesn't give you the software to do what you want.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: halik
...
OSX is far, far superior if you need to work with open source libraries for any sort of coding.

huh? wtf are you smoking? I'm involved in dozens of open sourced projects on windows and never touched cygwin. The free IDE's alone available for windows blow anything on OSX out of the water.

Free IDEs like Eclipse?

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: evident

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
You know, I slapped an Apple sticker over the Dell logo on my laptop (because I was angry with Dell's outsourced tech support), and it was faster, more powerful and significantly cheaper than a comparable Apple laptop.

So, I got the entire "Apple Experience" with more power, functionality and at half the price. :thumbsup:

my i-vtec sticker makes my laptop fast, yo

Originally posted by: effowe

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Why build a Hackintosh (with the extra effort) rather than just pick up a PC? I'm really not trying to trash talk Apple, while it's not for my uses, I can completely understand the segment of the market that buys Apple (minus paying the extra $$ for the Apple name).

The point was that if you want control over your hardware, you can still use OSX and not have to be tied down to the overpriced Apple Hardware.

what's the point of using OS X if you dont have the fancy white laptop to show off at a coffee shop? seriously, windows does everything os x can but better, AND is compatible with anything

You've never done any development, have you?
OSX is far, far superior if you need to work with open source libraries for any sort of coding. The only option on windows is cygwin to my knowledge and setting that up is a huge mess.

Also there's still no real implementation of virtual desktops on windows, that little MS powertoy is crap. Another thing, dragging files into a folder doesn't open it when you hover over the folder icon, so if you're trying to drop it 2 levels deep, you're sol.

I code w/ java and eclipse all the time and have no problems using open source libraries. and cocoa can suck my balls.

and if you hover over a folder icon in windows explore it shows the subfolders after a sec or two...

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Platypus
If apple bashers spent 5 seconds researching and/or actually using their products they'd realize that it's just another option in computing with both strengths and weaknesses. The same can be said for windows bashers, etc, etc.

Why is it so hard for people to just accept that every OS and platform has both good and bad things about it and they just need to choose the right tool for the right job? Zealots are fucking pathetic and have no business in computers if their blind hatred for something clouds their judgement.

The problem is that's not how Apple is presenting itself in its commercial. According to their ads they are the best, most secure things since slight bread.

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Platypus
If apple bashers spent 5 seconds researching and/or actually using their products they'd realize that it's just another option in computing with both strengths and weaknesses. The same can be said for windows bashers, etc, etc.

Why is it so hard for people to just accept that every OS and platform has both good and bad things about it and they just need to choose the right tool for the right job? Zealots are fucking pathetic and have no business in computers if their blind hatred for something clouds their judgement.

The problem is that's not how Apple is presenting itself in its commercial. According to their ads they are the best, most secure things since slight bread.

Since when has any marketing ever been completely truthful? I'm not defending it at all because their ads are complete bullshit.. but then again so are 99% of the ads out there.