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Lyndsay Graham lays the smack down...

Yea, if Trump tries to fire Muller it might be the one straw other GOP members must call him on. If not the backlash would political suicide. It's clear Trump's awash in Russian $$, he gladly sold condo's to Russian shell Co's to launder Russian mob $$ and today probably the most respected retired 4-star General Barry McCaffery had this to say about Trump,

" Reluctantly I have concluded that President Trump is a serious threat to US national security. He is refusing to protect vital US interests from active Russian attacks. It is apparent that he is for some unknown reason under the sway of Mr Putin"

Mind you, this guy served 2 tours of duty in Vietnam and was wounded several times, he is much respected by current + former military members. My only hope is this country somehow survives this horrific administration, the scandals, the foreign policy nightmare, the tax breaks for the 3% that didn't need it funded by a stunning addition to our national debt. Hopefully this country learns to grow up and learn about a candidates reality vs the crap spewed during a campaign.
 
BUTCH1 said:
Yea, if Trump tries to fire Muller it might be the one straw other GOP members must call him on. If not the backlash would political suicide. It's clear Trump's awash in Russian $$, he gladly sold condo's to Russian shell Co's to launder Russian mob $$ and today probably the most respected retired 4-star General Barry McCaffery had this to say about Trump,

" Reluctantly I have concluded that President Trump is a serious threat to US national security. He is refusing to protect vital US interests from active Russian attacks. It is apparent that he is for some unknown reason under the sway of Mr Putin"

Mind you, this guy served 2 tours of duty in Vietnam and was wounded several times, he is much respected by current + former military members. My only hope is this country somehow survives this horrific administration, the scandals, the foreign policy nightmare, the tax breaks for the 3% that didn't need it funded by a stunning addition to our national debt. Hopefully this country learns to grow up and learn about a candidates reality vs the crap spewed during a campaign.
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I think what will happen is Pence will slide right in, which is exactly what he wants. We haven't heard much from him and that's a exactly how he likes it. This is also a but scarey because Pence is a career politican and knows exactly what to do. Unlike Trump who has ZERO experience as a politican and it shows. I also look at Trump's time in office as a failed experiment. People are always saying that we need a business man in office. Well we have one and guess what. He SUCKS!
 
Mai72 said:
I think what will happen is Pence will slide right in, which is exactly what he wants. We haven't heard much from him and that's a exactly how he likes it. This is also a but scarey because Pence is a career politican and knows exactly what to do. Unlike Trump who has ZERO experience as a politican and it shows. I also look at Trump's time in office as a failed experiment. People are always saying that we need a business man in office. Well we have one and guess what. He SUCKS!
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To be honest, it isn't so often one is so lucky as to see such a robust set of indicators that a rich kid who inherited a $100 million business only got schooling at Wharton and missed his education.

Warren Buffet had already made his pronouncements concerning Trump's orgy of loss and subsequent refuge in the very simple tax provisions of carryover loss.

Trump merely gambles. He doesn't take calculated risks, because he has no aptitude for calculation -- but only for bluff.

And that's why the country is at risk. There's nothing in the White House right now that can reduce the chance of a disastrous decision about anything. The man thinks the world is a celebrity zero-sum game, and he's already destroyed more in relations with allies than he's gained in either sly diplomacy, patience or prudence.

Four years is too long. They should terminate this presidency or stop it in its tracks by end of next year. Any GOP win in 2020 would be a disaster too, unless Trump is not on the ticket.

Right now, the way some have stood up to discover the truth of any matters that disqualify this president, chances are lower that we won't by looking around for a Klaus von Stauffenerg in early 2025.

We managed to get through the 1970s. But this current era is the worst ever.
 
Based on what he is saying, I'm guessing they are confident that Trump and the GOP will be able to weasel their way out of its findings over technicalities.
"Had to fire Mueller because he got a birthday card from a friend of Chelsea Clinton 10 years ago and that there is nothing illegal about firing him. We will launch an investigation to see if the innuendo about Mueller was enough justification to fire him".
There is also the obvious disclaimer. Beginning of the end happens the day after you start so he is just stating the obvious. He just needs to specify whether the end is on 2020 or 2024.
They are counting on 3 more school shootings later and an escalation in the Syria civil war to help "change the spotlight "
 
BUTCH1 said:
Hopefully this country learns to grow up and learn about a candidates reality vs the crap spewed during a campaign.
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That's like praying and hoping it works.

It won't.

This election taught us one thing.. the right wing is beyond reason, beyond redemption and beyond facts.

And honestly we're not 1 country anymore. We're two.. those that live in the temperate zone and those that live in the Twilight (Trump) zone. To think we can somehow live happily with each other is a total pipe dream.
 
Indus said:
That's like praying and hoping it works.

It won't.

This election taught us one thing.. the right wing is beyond reason, beyond redemption and beyond facts.

And honestly we're not 1 country anymore. We're two.. those that live in the temperate zone and those that live in the Twilight (Trump) zone. To think we can somehow live happily with each other is a total pipe dream.
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. . . . and such has tempered more inflammatory statements I've made recently. By comparison, the Democrat legislators have been almost too polite . . . .
 
I'm always skeptical when Republicans like Lindsey Graham make statements like this, because there's a recurring pattern:

1. Tell the truth of how horrible Trump decision X is.
2. Do nothing to stop it or even vote for it if it's on the table.
3. Repeat.

The only Republicans who are truly consistent about their behavior are the ones who aren't seeking reelection and have nothing to lose. It's good that Graham is being candid in this case, but the proof will be in the pudding if Trump is so foolish as to try to destroy Mueller's investigation. You think his presidency is over after that? Be ready to rally support for Trump's impeachment and conviction, and accept the likelihood that the Republicans will lose all control of Congress and the presidency for at least a full term.
 
Commodus said:
I'm always skeptical when Republicans like Lindsey Graham make statements like this, because there's a recurring pattern:

1. Tell the truth of how horrible Trump decision X is.
2. Do nothing to stop it or even vote for it if it's on the table.
3. Repeat.

The only Republicans who are truly consistent about their behavior are the ones who aren't seeking reelection and have nothing to lose. It's good that Graham is being candid in this case, but the proof will be in the pudding if Trump is so foolish as to try to destroy Mueller's investigation. You think his presidency is over after that? Be ready to rally support for Trump's impeachment and conviction, and accept the likelihood that the Republicans will lose all control of Congress and the presidency for at least a full term.
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Even the ones not seeking re-election vote lock step. The Jeff Flakes of the GOP are all talk as well.
 
Indus said:
That's like praying and hoping it works.

It won't.

This election taught us one thing.. the right wing is beyond reason, beyond redemption and beyond facts.

And honestly we're not 1 country anymore. We're two.. those that live in the temperate zone and those that live in the Twilight (Trump) zone. To think we can somehow live happily with each other is a total pipe dream.
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I dunno. I figure it's like the guy who got drunk & snurfled a little too much meth, then shot up the mobile home with his AR in a fit of rage. When the high wears off he probably won't do it again. At least I like to think so.

We've all done stupid things & had that "Holy shit! What was I thinking?" moment. Some people come to it more slowly than they should & some not at all. More's the pity.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Perhaps Graham will shake his head vigorously. Until I see action done I don't believe any of these guys.
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Test may come this week. Just read a bunch of R’s said Trump firing Mueller without bipartisan cause would be unacceptable.
Shortly after Schumer said they should pass a bill that states the above.
 
Mai72 said:
I think what will happen is Pence will slide right in, which is exactly what he wants. We haven't heard much from him and that's a exactly how he likes it. This is also a but scarey because Pence is a career politican and knows exactly what to do. Unlike Trump who has ZERO experience as a politican and it shows. I also look at Trump's time in office as a failed experiment. People are always saying that we need a business man in office. Well we have one and guess what. He SUCKS!
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Harken back to the Bush/Cheney administration for a lesson that the Repubs never learned when they voted for a businessman by the name of Trump. Those two "businessmen" crawled out from under an oil barrel, took over the White House, played fast as loose with our regulatory agencies, cut taxes for the wealthy, started two wars and then watched our economy crash around their feet as they fled out of office.

That the Repubs voted for another businessman after what Bush and Cheney did is the height of all things stupid, idiotic, destructively partisan and fatally flawed from an ideological point of view.

They'll do it every time because they'd rather believe a mountain of lies rather than that ant hill of painful truth that their party is bought, owned and operated by the oligrachs who have no reason to care for their middle class and poor constituents other than fooling them into voting against their own best interests.
 
tweaker2 said:
Harken back to the Bush/Cheney administration for a lesson that the Repubs never learned when they voted for a businessman by the name of Trump. Those two "businessmen" crawled out from under an oil barrel, took over the White House, played fast as loose with our regulatory agencies, cut taxes for the wealthy, started two wars and then watched our economy crash around their feet as they fled out of office.

That the Repubs voted for another businessman after what Bush and Cheney did is the height of all things stupid, idiotic, destructively partisan and fatally flawed from an ideological point of view.

They'll do it every time because they'd rather believe a mountain of lies rather than that ant hill of painful truth that their party is bought, owned and operated by the oligrachs who have no reason to care for their middle class and poor constituents other than fooling them into voting against their own best interests.
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TBH I think both parties are bought + paid for, but one wonders what the future for the country really is when the richest 5% + corporations get a huge tax break that we cannot even remotely afford. While Obama did do the bail out it made sense in that if GM, Dodge, Ford would have folded the then fragile economy would have tanked beyond repair. Common sense should tell any POTUS that if the economy if going along good there was no need for these tax cuts, this $$ will need to be repaid by some generation at some point.
 
He will fire Mueller and NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. The republicans will be singing kumbaya.

Just like they stole the SCOTUS seat and got away with it, they'll get away with this too.

Why? Americans are stupid.
 
The vile creature could murder or rape someone in the middle of the Times Square (I think he barked something like that himself - with due apologies to dogs who are wonderful beings) and these senators would come on the Sunday morning talk shows with their solemn faces and say "This is clearly a matter of concern to us. I think it is something that has to be discussed whether it serves the national interest. It has to be looked at in a bipartisan manner. We in Congress do share the concerns of the American people."
 
BonzaiDuck said:
To be honest, it isn't so often one is so lucky as to see such a robust set of indicators that a rich kid who inherited a $100 million business only got schooling at Wharton and missed his education.

Warren Buffet had already made his pronouncements concerning Trump's orgy of loss and subsequent refuge in the very simple tax provisions of carryover loss.

Trump merely gambles. He doesn't take calculated risks, because he has no aptitude for calculation -- but only for bluff.

And that's why the country is at risk. There's nothing in the White House right now that can reduce the chance of a disastrous decision about anything. The man thinks the world is a celebrity zero-sum game, and he's already destroyed more in relations with allies than he's gained in either sly diplomacy, patience or prudence.

Four years is too long. They should terminate this presidency or stop it in its tracks by end of next year. Any GOP win in 2020 would be a disaster too, unless Trump is not on the ticket.

Right now, the way some have stood up to discover the truth of any matters that disqualify this president, chances are lower that we won't by looking around for a Klaus von Stauffenerg in early 2025.

We managed to get through the 1970s. But this current era is the worst ever.
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I agree. Dubya took us into Iraq and I was in the streets protesting but Trump scares me 10x more than Dubya ever did. We can't make it through 3 more years of Trump. The problem is fucking Mike 'Jesus speaks to me' Pence is going to be pretty bad too. But I don't think he will start WWIII
 
PixelSquish said:
I agree. Dubya took us into Iraq and I was in the streets protesting but Trump scares me 10x more than Dubya ever did. We can't make it through 3 more years of Trump. The problem is fucking Mike 'Jesus speaks to me' Pence is going to be pretty bad too. But I don't think he will start WWIII
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Why not? Pence will be going to heaven.
 
PixelSquish said:
I agree. Dubya took us into Iraq and I was in the streets protesting but Trump scares me 10x more than Dubya ever did. We can't make it through 3 more years of Trump. The problem is fucking Mike 'Jesus speaks to me' Pence is going to be pretty bad too. But I don't think he will start WWIII
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It's way too early to say for both, but W. on matters of policy is already considered one of the all time worst U.S. presidents, partly because he was able to get things done with a small Congressional majority or by fiat.

Trump is clearly a far worse human being, and the chances of a disastrous war in Korea (possibly with nukes fired at our allies) are much higher. But probably the worst thing that's happened so far with lasting effect for progressives is the appointment of Neil Gorsuch.

Once the Dems re-take the House, Trump will essentially be a lame duck. In the unlikely event the Dems also get to 51 in the Senate, there will probably be impeachment hearings if the special counsel finds a smoking gun. I'm not a fan of impeachment for the sake of impeachment; that comes from the GOP playbook in the Clinton era. Plus if you had asked me a year ago, I'm not sure that a disorganized CEO like Trump is actually worse for citizens than Mike Pence with a fully compliant congress.

So I'm not sure I'd agree that DJT is 10x scarier than W. The best thing about the Trump admin is that the constant chaos prevented more bad policy from being enacted. And the rare "wins" like the tax cuts that make very little sense will eventually be fixed.
 
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