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Lynch Awarded Bronze Star

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Originally posted by: lozina
They should award the Iraqi doctors who saved her life

Oh wait, that might ruin our image of them being all terrorist American haters...
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Exactly, if it wasn't for that doctor, who risked his life to inform our soldiers where Jessica was, she might not have ever been found. If anyone deserves a medal, it's that guy. Lynch should get the Purple Heart, anything else is unmerited.
 
Passing out medals like candy started happening in the Vietnam War. Before then you had to be shot stabbed or a portion of you blown off to get the purple heart. The bronze star was reserved for those that went above and beyond the call of duty, usually risking their lives for the sake of a mission.
 
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: LunarRay
The Purple Heart yes... the Bronze Star.. well there are a few different categories... combat is one.. but what was it for... what did she do? Good thing I'm a devout coward.. otherwise I might have reason to be somewhat upset..
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You're right, we did not fight so we are really not in a position to talk sh!t. I'm not blaming Jessic Lynch for getting wounded, nor am I disputing the fact that it must have taken immense courage for her to survive her ordeal, I mean, she's just a kid. What pisses me off about all this is how she was used as a propaganda tool. They made up this big production about what happened to her and made her out to be a hero, something I do not beleive she is. In a way she is a "victim" of our need to have heores to make ourselves feel better about our actions.
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Well who made it up the military or the press? I think it was the press that took this story and ran with it.
 
Well who made it up the military or the press? I think it was the press that took this story and ran with it.
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From an above post of mine.

That's debateable. The staunch supporters of the administration would say the media did it to boost ratings. The staunch anti-war/bush crowd would say the White House leaked it/didn't refute it in order to drum up support for the war. I reckon the answer's probably somewhere in the middle.
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Cheers,

Andy
 
The simple truth is that the American military has no heros. We have to award some chick that was in a car accident a medal.
The medals should go to the Iraqis that are fighting M1 Abrams tanks with AK-47s.
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I don't think the US military should or will ever give the Iraqis that fought us any recognition for their bravery. It is my opinion however that they deserved this medal more than Jessica Lynch.
 
Originally posted by: Amirtallica
The simple truth is that the American military has no heros. We have to award some chick that was in a car accident a medal.
The medals should go to the Iraqis that are fighting M1 Abrams tanks with AK-47s.
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Care to elaborate on your idea of giving medals to enemy combatants?

Andy
 
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Originally posted by: Amirtallica
The simple truth is that the American military has no heros. We have to award some chick that was in a car accident a medal.
The medals should go to the Iraqis that are fighting M1 Abrams tanks with AK-47s.
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Care to elaborate on your idea of giving medals to enemy combatants?

Andy
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Think he mean't metal and not medal as in bullets, projectiles, bomb fragments and the steel blades of our Marine's and infantrymen.
 
Think he mean't metal and not medal as in bullets, projectiles, bomb fragments and the steel blades of our Marine's and infantrymen.
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Are you sure? - doesn't sound that way to me.

Is "the metal" a common expression for ordnance in the US? You mean he thought the metal the medals are made from should be used for making ammo? 😕

Cheers,

Andy
 
Originally posted by: Fencer128
Think he mean't metal and not medal as in bullets, projectiles, bomb fragments and the steel blades of our Marine's and infantrymen.
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Are you sure? - doesn't sound that way to me.

Is "the metal" a common expression for ordnance in the US? You mean he thought the metal the medals are made from should be used for making ammo? 😕

Cheers,

Andy
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I was being a wee bit sarcastic Andy. I forgot the 😉 I think it is safe to say that we now have a Johnny Taliban wannabe in P & N
 
I was being a wee bit sarcastic Andy. I forgot the 😉 I think it is safe to say that we now have a Johnny Taliban wannabe in P & N
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Fair enough! There's so much unqualified humour going on of late it's difficult to tell when people are tongue-in-cheek or not.

Cheers 😛,

Andy
 
Originally posted by: Amirtallica
Medals are given out for bravery, not stupidity. Enough said?
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Medals aren't given by you to those you're fighting against, enough said?

You don't have to point out the obvious - especially when the rest of your point is illogical.

Andy
 
You're right it's stupid for us to give medals to the enemy. But what I'm trying to say is that Iraqi soldiers that fought with bravery in defending their country and committed acts of heroism, in my opinion, deserve medals more than an American soldier that was injured in an accident.
 
Originally posted by: Amirtallica
So why not give medals to soldiers you fight against? A soldier is a soldier. They follow orders.
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Do you *really* want to have that point debated? Can you not see where it goes?

The simple truth is that the American military has no heros. We have to award some chick that was in a car accident a medal.
The medals should go to the Iraqis that are fighting M1 Abrams tanks with AK-47s.
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Why don't you just admit that argueing that the US should give medals to Iraqi "Heroes" (the same Heroes that are responsible for killing a lot of US soldiers and possibly, in the case of the Ba'athists, oppressing a nation) because it has none of it's own is not a very reasonable point of view.

Cheers,

Andy
 
Originally posted by: Amirtallica
You're right it's stupid for us to give medals to the enemy. But what I'm trying to say is that Iraqi soldiers that fought with bravery in defending their country and committed acts of heroism, in my opinion, deserve medals more than an American soldier that was injured in an accident.
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Well that could be considered more reasonable - but you have changed tack, and that is not at all how your first post came across.

The simple truth is that the American military has no heros. We have to award some chick that was in a car accident a medal.
The medals should go to the Iraqis that are fighting M1 Abrams tanks with AK-47s.
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Let the Iraqi authorities award medals once they're up and running. If they think some people were fighting for what they perceived to be freedom and not the continuation of the Ba'athist regime - I'm sure they will. Don't expect the US to decorate Iraqi's when many of them were recently the enemy.

Cheers,

Andy
 
Hey man and to call someone Johnny Taliban just because they believe in equality is not cool.
Personally I think patriotism is overrated. Being biased towards a certain country just becuase you were born there subconsiously eliminates your basic right to express your opinion.
 
Originally posted by: Amirtallica
Hey man and to call someone Johnny Taliban just because they believe in equality is not cool.
Personally I think patriotism is overrated. Being biased towards a certain country just becuase you were born there subconsiously eliminates your basic right to express your opinion.
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This is all wrong. I'm all for equality (read my other forum posts to see what I mean) but argueing that the US should be giving the Iraqi's medals is not equality - nor is it patriotic. Implying Iraqi soldiers should be decorated by the US for firing on US personnel borders on the ridiculous IMHO.

Cheers,

Andy
 
Decorating Jessica Lynch with the bronze star is why I'm saying we have no heros in the military. If that's the most heroic tale we have to offer in this war, the story that gets the most coverage is about a girl that had an accident- her rifle got jammed and she can't do anything but be taken hostage, not to mention that the Iraqis tried to return her to the military and we shot at their ambulance, then I find it a to be a reasonable assumption that we have no heros in the military.
Arguing that the Iraqis were fighting for the wrong cause isn't going to get us anywhere. They were following orders just like our soldiers.
 
You're right, I don't think the US should or will award the Iraqi soldiers that fought against us. It was my opinion that they deserve the medals more than Jessica Lynch, and by the way I live in WV.
 
Originally posted by: Amirtallica
Decorating Jessica Lynch with the bronze star is why I'm saying we have no heros in the military. If that's the most heroic tale we have to offer in this war, the story that gets the most coverage is about a girl that had an accident- her rifle got jammed and she can't do anything but be taken hostage, not to mention that the Iraqis tried to return her to the military and we shot at their ambulance, then I find it a to be a reasonable assumption that we have no heros in the military.
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That's your opinion and you could possibly be correct - although I imagine that there are tales of bravery, as yet unknown, out there.

Arguing that the Iraqis were fighting for the wrong cause isn't going to get us anywhere. They were following orders just like our soldiers.
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Right. And the point is? Do you still think the US should decorate them for shooting US soldiers/vehicles?

Cheers,

Andy
 
Originally posted by: Amirtallica
You're right, I don't think the US should or will award the Iraqi soldiers that fought against us. It was my opinion that they deserve the medals more than Jessica Lynch, and by the way I live in WV.
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OK. They had to be brave because they had little in the way of "might" as opposed to the US. I still don't see that because they were brave, the US should decorate them, when by proving their bravery they were attacking US troops.

I'm not really interested in Lynch's medal, it's more your opinion that the US should be decorating Iraqi soldiers because it has no worthy soldiers of its own.

Cheers,

Andy
 
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